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Offline Low-Q

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2007, 02:24:32 PM »
I have also tried to replicate this generator. The magnetic flux is just going through the part of the iron core where it is no coil when the coil i loaded. As soon as a coil is loaded, the coil starts to induce an opposite magnetic field. This field will force the magnetic flux through an alternative path. The only path available is the part in the iron coil where there is no coil. To generate some energy out, there must be at least two coils, two coils on the opposite side of the toroide. However, when the coils is loaded, the rotating magnet will slow down due to Lentz law. Lentz law will also work in a single coil toroide, but the law prevents any energy output instead of preventing the magnet to rotate.

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2007, 02:06:47 PM »
Hi All !

My prototype is finished. It looks like drawn in one of the previous posts.
There are lot of dissimilarities to original Grahmm generator. Allso the collector
on original machine is something to take into account...
Pictures,movie and testing after two week vacation.

What do You think If rotor (on my prototype) is not just magnets but added some of
permeable material (silicon iron in sheets preferably) ?
Lentz back force on rotor should be significantly lowered !!!
Output will remain same !?!
Has anyone tried something like that ?

graish-blue is core and permeable material
coils are not shown

Igor


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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2007, 11:28:16 PM »
The back torque will always be in relationship with the magnetic force. Applying iron to the magnets doesn't make any change in this relationship.

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2007, 11:28:16 PM »
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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2007, 12:32:52 PM »
The back torque will always be in relationship with the magnetic force. Applying iron to the magnets doesn't make any change in this relationship.

Br.

Vidar

It certanly does change

rotor's north at 12h. NO permeable material. coils are at left and right and loaded.

1.Lentz's created south (on one coil that magnet is going from) will drag back the rotor.
2.Lentz's created north (on other coil magnet is coming to) will push BACK.
So The Same undesireable direction forcing rotor back.

WITH permeable material (not satturated)
1.Lentz's created south (on one coil that magnet is going from) will drag back the rotor.(same as No per.mat.)
2.Lentz's created north (on other coil magnet is coming to) will drag FOREWARD.

So in a case with permeable material things do change with second force's direction, and this should
significantly lower back drag.

Please someone who has finished prototype and havent yet dismantle it , try it and inform us.

(In fact we should all keep our prototypes and not dismantle them even though they don't work at first, cause soon there can evolve some idea that will make them run - this of course requires some additional space)

best regards
Igor




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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 02:54:55 PM »
Hi all !

...allso in progress

everything is allways in progress ...and there's no stopping

this is progression session in tha house

drumm and bass .... from The Space

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Offline broli

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 03:57:15 PM »
How much did that cost to machine?

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2009, 05:40:23 PM »
How much did that cost to machine?
broli

arround 150E, not much looking on a global scale, but for me such ammount is fortune

now it needs winding, additional construction to fix the toroid to make it in strict center.
some drive motor ... or pulsed on by itself...then messuring....

lots and lots of work and time to spend, but this is what can be called quality spend time  8)

all the best

I'm doing it alone (with ou.com of course) but realy seems that my/our progress is tremendous comparing to global official orthodox science. ;D

to infinity ... and then another mile

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2009, 05:46:47 PM »
Very interesting project. It may have much in common with the Phi Transformer
on page 29/56:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter1.pdf
Other keywords might be Alexander Frolov and Marinov
« Last Edit: March 19, 2009, 06:14:48 PM by Paul-R »

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2009, 07:17:20 PM »
This is the first time I have read this thread, After doing so I realize this is exactly the same as the Tesla device I have been working on except with no moving parts in mine.  It is a toroid with a N-S polarized field rotating about the core with no moving parts. Thereby eliminating the CEMF of the rotor. If you haven't yet you should check the 'Tesla patent 382282' thread like I say it is basically the same device.

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2009, 07:54:28 PM »
wizkycho, I just read this thread and let me share some knowledge. I learned a lot about induction in the past period but there's one thing people seem to miss completely or that I misunderstood completely  ;D. That is voltage.

When there's a changing field voltage is made not current. Even if the coil is not shorted there's voltage. Voltage itself doesn't counteract the changing magnetic field. When current is allowed to flow it counteracts it. Let's assume this formula P= U*I being interchangeable. Meaning if I had 1000V at 1A I can make it 1000A at 1V with some circuitry which is for discussion sake 100% efficient.

Now the trick is to get the magnet spin really fast. This will generate very high voltages in the coils BUT you must limit the current in the coil by using  a high resistance. This will result in very little back emf. Now take the terminals of this high resistance coil and hook it to a transformer. The transformer transforms it low voltage at high currents. Now finally feed back the portion you need to keep the motor spinning and use the rest for you own desires.

What this does is bypass lenz law to another circuit i.e. the transformer. The magnet will be creating voltages with very little currents, it's the transform that makes it a high current so the mechanical interaction (lenz effect) on the rotor is avoided by doing this.

See attached drawing.

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2009, 08:59:23 PM »
@broli

I may not agree with such certanty that Lentz is bypassed completely and that easily,( although with experimenting and using thicker coil in diameter (not wire) some unexpected
values may appear), and here is why: although current will be small number of turns is big so lentz force will probably end up proportionally to created EMF that moves magnet and everything ends up under 100%.

But in these setups with high turn ratio (type without sparks) it is possible to expect at certain rpm of magnet that lentz counter force or emf delays enough (another 180 deg) to form resonant product of waves. so this central core with moving magnet acts somewhat like laser's ruby - but this time without great initial losses in transfer energy (like lasers have). for this right frequency of input must be found and wait for some time till rotating magnet respond with sufficient and compatible resonant speed and observe
resonance mutiplication gain in power of 10 and more times then input - allso could be expected that if load's R (Z) changes device will slip out of resonance and energy amplification.

keeping it in mind -
maybe could be used to educate underunitors in their dark stinky underworld that resonance is easy example of apparent, actuall and messurable energy amplification and gaining large ammounts of free energy, yes yes underunitors this is not near as just accumulator efect. this is constant low ENERGY input and constantly multiplied ENERGY at output well and many times over 100% and that is completely usable on any todays constant R loads. don't say proffesors forgot to tell you !

giving it another tought, this is "M"EG but with moveable magnet and really looks like this "small" change can result in lowering lentz effect
this is type of idea that must be remembered and tried cause is very probable to be OU. You just might have solved MEGs inconsistency in replication and You done it with finess.

well done, indeed

Wiz

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Re: Toroid-magnet-generator
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2009, 09:14:54 PM »
wizkycho you are way ahead of me there. I was speaking of a simple idea I have been thinking about that could be applied to your design.

Take a look at this...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3967-dc-motor-generator-talk-obvious-gain.html

 

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