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Author Topic: How does one conclusively prove the validity of an overunity device on a video?  (Read 14921 times)

Offline phaedrus

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Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these things that skeptics put forward as a way to explain what is going on?  (For example, in the mecsdgp video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU), we see the rotor covered with magnets rotating as stator magnets approach, but skeptics claim air stream is powering it.  But what if during video just as rotor starts turning, they zoom out to show empty entire room, then that criticism is eliminated.)
Let's say Johann Bessler were alive today.  And he wanted to convince people of the legitimacy of his wheel with a video.  How would he do it?  Here are some of my thoughts.  One thing, you should have a human being interacting with the wheel in the video.  Computer graphics have come a long way and can make very realistic representations of objects, but with human beings so far I think they still don't have those down so you can't tell the difference.  That's just to take care of the broadest possible faking you can imagine, which would be the video could be claimed to be a total fake made up from scratch via generated graphics.   Once you have a human with the turning wheel, the skeptics can claim the wheel contains a motor powered by a battery.  Well, here is my possible foil to this.  Let's say you put the Bessler wheel in a bathtub and turn on the water.  Fill the bathtub up with water with the wheel there spinning around.  If it continues to work even after the water is halfway up the wheel (and make sure you both have the wheel able to admit water into it, and show this on camera), that would be pretty convincing evidence it was not faked, wouldn't it (note: I don't actually know if the Bessler wheel would continue to work underwater, but it seems like it should (although perhaps much more slowly) since it is a totally mechanical device powered by gravity).  Any electrical motor would be shorted out, especially if you used salt water (in fact, a good idea would be as part of the video, take a small electrical motor connected to a battery, have it running, and dip it in the same water, and show what happens - and hopefully it will be shorted out and stop working :)).  Even better, fill the bathtub with mercury, but then I REALLY don't know that it would continue to work.

So the question is, is it possible using just a video to show totally convincing proof of the validity of an overunity device, such as the Bessler Wheel? Or will the skeptics always have a way to explain everything?

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Offline fletcher

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Video it outside - have two streams simultaneously, one a pan shot & another closer - have humans interact with it - keep the volume up loud, pick up the wheel & move it to another location on the grass - take it off one stand & place it on another - keep it uncovered so the mechanics can be seen & studied ;7)

P.S. Bessler, never said it was a gravity powered machine [urban myth] - he described it's animation as due to 'imbalance' - he variously described its motive force as due to preponderance, excess weight, excess impetus - AFAIK, not once did he say that it was a gravity wheel or overbalanced  though of course that is easy to latch on to.

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Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these things that skeptics put forward as a way to explain what is going on?  (For example, in the mecsdgp video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU), we see the rotor covered with magnets rotating as stator magnets approach, but skeptics claim air stream is powering it.  But what if during video just as rotor starts turning, they zoom out to show empty entire room, then that criticism is eliminated.)
Let's say Johann Bessler were alive today.  And he wanted to convince people of the legitimacy of his wheel with a video.  How would he do it?  Here are some of my thoughts.  One thing, you should have a human being interacting with the wheel in the video.  Computer graphics have come a long way and can make very realistic representations of objects, but with human beings so far I think they still don't have those down so you can't tell the difference.  That's just to take care of the broadest possible faking you can imagine, which would be the video could be claimed to be a total fake made up from scratch via generated graphics.   Once you have a human with the turning wheel, the skeptics can claim the wheel contains a motor powered by a battery.  Well, here is my possible foil to this.  Let's say you put the Bessler wheel in a bathtub and turn on the water.  Fill the bathtub up with water with the wheel there spinning around.  If it continues to work even after the water is halfway up the wheel (and make sure you both have the wheel able to admit water into it, and show this on camera), that would be pretty convincing evidence it was not faked, wouldn't it (note: I don't actually know if the Bessler wheel would continue to work underwater, but it seems like it should (although perhaps much more slowly) since it is a totally mechanical device powered by gravity).  Any electrical motor would be shorted out, especially if you used salt water (in fact, a good idea would be as part of the video, take a small electrical motor connected to a battery, have it running, and dip it in the same water, and show what happens - and hopefully it will be shorted out and stop working :) ).  Even better, fill the bathtub with mercury, but then I REALLY don't know that it would continue to work.

So the question is, is it possible using just a video to show totally convincing proof of the validity of an overunity device, such as the Bessler Wheel? Or will the skeptics always have a way to explain everything?

The best way, beside what has been mentioned, is to have clear plans and instructions for easy replications in the video, and once these start to appear, then you are in good shape.  If others post their videos of their replications, and they work, that is very hard to argue with.  We never, ever see this with those videos on the net using air, etc.

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Offline gmbajszar

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>> Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these...


Answer: No. It is not possible. Even if it is 100 percent clear that it works, they will say the same thing against it. 90 percent of comments will be like that. There is nothing we can do.

But 10 percent are skeptic, and there is that one percent, possibly an educated East European who understands perfectly what's going on. But East Europeans say little. And the less you know the more you say.




Offline Pirate88179

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>> Is it possible?

 Is there anyway to satisfy all these...


Answer: No. It is not possible.

 There is nothing we can do.


Please see my above post.  That would take care of it 100%.

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Offline MarkE

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Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these things that skeptics put forward as a way to explain what is going on?  (For example, in the mecsdgp video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU), we see the rotor covered with magnets rotating as stator magnets approach, but skeptics claim air stream is powering it.  But what if during video just as rotor starts turning, they zoom out to show empty entire room, then that criticism is eliminated.)
Let's say Johann Bessler were alive today.  And he wanted to convince people of the legitimacy of his wheel with a video.  How would he do it?  Here are some of my thoughts.  One thing, you should have a human being interacting with the wheel in the video.  Computer graphics have come a long way and can make very realistic representations of objects, but with human beings so far I think they still don't have those down so you can't tell the difference.  That's just to take care of the broadest possible faking you can imagine, which would be the video could be claimed to be a total fake made up from scratch via generated graphics.   Once you have a human with the turning wheel, the skeptics can claim the wheel contains a motor powered by a battery.  Well, here is my possible foil to this.  Let's say you put the Bessler wheel in a bathtub and turn on the water.  Fill the bathtub up with water with the wheel there spinning around.  If it continues to work even after the water is halfway up the wheel (and make sure you both have the wheel able to admit water into it, and show this on camera), that would be pretty convincing evidence it was not faked, wouldn't it (note: I don't actually know if the Bessler wheel would continue to work underwater, but it seems like it should (although perhaps much more slowly) since it is a totally mechanical device powered by gravity).  Any electrical motor would be shorted out, especially if you used salt water (in fact, a good idea would be as part of the video, take a small electrical motor connected to a battery, have it running, and dip it in the same water, and show what happens - and hopefully it will be shorted out and stop working :)).  Even better, fill the bathtub with mercury, but then I REALLY don't know that it would continue to work.

So the question is, is it possible using just a video to show totally convincing proof of the validity of an overunity device, such as the Bessler Wheel? Or will the skeptics always have a way to explain everything?
No it is not possible.  The best one can do with a video is present a case that will motivate independent replication. 

Offline Lancair-ES

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How does one conclusively prove the validity of an overunity device on a video? Is it possible? 
It's very hard to prove because over unity is per definition not possible. Therfor you will never see a video that has everything uncovered. Figuratively, you can't get more than dice number 6 no matter how many times you try. How can anyone prove that they did without hiding one of the six sides of the dice?




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Offline CANGAS

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Hobbyists such as RC car enthusiasts or RC model airplane enthusiasts, break in the small DC motors by dunking them in a pot of water and letting them run for several minutes.

Short out? No.


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Hobbyists such as RC car enthusiasts or RC model airplane enthusiasts, break in the small DC motors by dunking them in a pot of water and letting them run for several minutes.

Short out? No.


CANGAS 32
That is usually recommended done with distilled water which is a good electrical insulator.  The voltages involved are usually well under 10V.   If the water conducted well it would bypass the power to the motor and the motor would not run defeating the point of the break in.

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Offline FatBird

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@ Phaedrus,

YES, I believe it's possible.  Just try to film the unit from ALL SIDES and the BOTTOM.
Those of us that Still Have a Brain will recognize OVERUNITY when we see it.

Of course there are paid TROLLS out there that are Constant NAY SAYERS,
BUT just ignore them and MOVE FORWARD.

Thank you for wanting to HELP the WORLD.


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Offline MarkE

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@ Phaedrus,

YES, I believe it's possible.  Just try to film the unit from ALL SIDES and the BOTTOM.
Those of us that Still Have a Brain will recognize OVERUNITY when we see it.

Of course there are paid TROLLS out there that are Constant NAY SAYERS,
BUT just ignore them and MOVE FORWARD.

Thank you for wanting to HELP the WORLD.


                                                                          .
An independently replicated working device would silence all critics.  Videos will always be subject to accusations of fakery because there are many ways to fake them.  A compelling video even if it is a suspected fake will motivate at least some people to attempt a replication.  So you can't prove a device with a video, but that doesn't matter.

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Offline conradelektro

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As many already said, a video alone is not much proof.

Best proof would be the disclosure of all data in order to allow independent replication.

But the most important consideration is whether the inventor of the OU device is willing to give his invention away for free.

If all data is published (and if the device really works, which is unlikely) the idea will be taken over by many companies, people and even scientists. And many will try to sell it as their idea (with slight modifications or minor clarifications).

But as I know the world, the inventor will not be a saint and will try to make money, which will fail, but it always is like this with any invention.

If an OU device becomes reality (which is almost impossible) it will be very important for everybody (and specially for every military and industry) and therefore the inventor will not be able to keep it under his control. So, he can as well give it away for free (may be that allows his survival).

Look at any important invention, the real inventor never got much. It is always others which profit the most.

But this is idle talk, because nobody ever invented a real OU device. It always was deception, fraud or delusion.

Greetings, Conrad

Offline Paul-R

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No it is not possible.
Absolutely right. Videos depend on the integrity of the maker. you can show anything on a video.

(Who believes that the planet Alderaan was actually blown up by the Death Star?

Offline memoryman

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Absolute proof is not possible with a video, nor is it needed. A proper independent validation by a credible 3rd party carries far more weight.
 

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to Lancair-ES: I looked at building the Lancair IV-P in the '90s. Beautiful fast plane, but >4000 hrs was too much.

 

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