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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Current ridicule
« Reply #90 on: January 20, 2015, 03:28:02 AM »
Well, that 300 mpg VW would not pass US collision standards and China, has none of those.

For less than $500, I built a 150 mpg vehicle.  It works and I used it a lot.  I could never sell it as it would not pass the required safety standards, even for a motorcycle.  (Motorized bicycle)

This is not big oil doing this, it is all of the liberals that think the government should protect all of us from ourselves.  Who banned trans fats?  Was that Big Trans Fat inc.?  No, it was a bunch of liberals that just can't keep their nose out of everyone's business.  If the medical industry and big pharma are so influential, then why were trans fats banned?  That would have generated big money for drug companies and hospitals no?

Why are cigarettes being banned everywhere?  Just look at all of those cancer cases that would need chemo drugs and hospital care.

A buddy of mine just bought a new (new to him anyway) 1980 VW Rabbit Diesel that gets 55 mpg.  He had one in college and I remember that car well.  Now, you can by a hybrid Prius for like what...$40,000?  That stupid thing gets like 40 mpg and they are proud of this?  But see, that old Rabbit would not come anywhere near meeting today's safety standards, but it is grandfathered in so he is "allowed" to drive it. (for now) 34 years later and we still can't have a vehicle that gets the same, or better mileage than that old Rabbit?  Again, it is not big oil stopping this, the leftists are just trying to make sure we do not hurt ourselves.

I am tired of it to be honest.

Bill

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« Reply #91 on: January 20, 2015, 05:25:34 AM »
Yes, let's look at the survival rate.
Uh...were you going to actually show it?  3% "cure" rate means nothing.  Farther down it seems to say that they actually meant 5 year survival rate.  So what is 3%?  Is that the average across all cancers?  Is that the average across all cases?  Is that the average adjusted for cases where chemo is indicated?

For example the average 5 year survival for a case of AML is 23%.  Ever think of getting statistics from some place other than a garbage can? 

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This will give you an idea how big the lie is.
It seems to be someone who doesn't know what they are talking about pretending they do. :)
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http://reachingutopia.com/cure-for-cancer-found-in-canada-dichloroacetate-dca/

There are several cures all kept off the market.
*sigh* I can not stress enough how different petri dish science is from animal trials is from human trials.  DCA might have clinical merit.  There was one trial that was completed in August so we might see some good data.  If we are lucky there will be some effect but in general effect size is reduced as you move up the hierarchy of evidence.  Strong effects in a petri dish generally translated to much weaker effects in humans.

So there's no conspiracy, nothign being kept off the market.  In fact if anyone was hindering DCA as a real therapy.  It is people like you.  Do you know how hard it is to find researchers for a drug trial that is being sold off-label on the internet?

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Have you thought of the claims of superior high tech medicine when they still have no cure for the common cold or any type of virus?
There are many things which make rhinoviruses hard to vaccinate against.  One would be the enormous number of serotypes. Today we have anti-virals which can treat a rhinovirus but there's little reason to use them except perhaps on the immunocompromised.

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Why is Chemotherapy still high in price after the patent has obviously ran out?
Chemo isn't one drug, so there isn't one patent.   Paclitaxel is available in generic form.
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How about measles breaking out on kids the have been immunized?
Immunizations are not perfect but they do have a much lower fatality rate than the disease.  However again, people like yourself which propagate nonsense are correlated to lower immunization rates.  Which means when someone does manage to get infected they have a much higher chance of infecting someone else.

In particular there was a particularly moronic parent who brought their unvaccinated child into the ER for some seemingly unrelated issue.  Almost accidentally they were diagnosed with measels.  Which means, everyone had to be informed that they were exposed.  Including all the mothers with children who are not eligible for vaccination.  All endangered because of one stupid parent.

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Should these be manatory?
As long as vaccination rates remain high.  I don't mind that people have a choice to act stupid.  If they get low I'd support mandatory vaccination.
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What disease have they cured in the last 50 years?
Define "cure".   As I mentioned earlier it's not a word that's used in actual science very much.

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Re: Current ridicule
« Reply #92 on: January 20, 2015, 05:41:32 AM »
Have they worked out all the bugs in their new fast acting "organic" chemo yet ?

The only known side effect so far is schlight anal leakage.

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Re: Current ridicule
« Reply #92 on: January 20, 2015, 05:41:32 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Current ridicule
« Reply #93 on: January 20, 2015, 05:47:24 AM »
Well, that 300 mpg VW would not pass US collision standards and China, has none of those.

For less than $500, I built a 150 mpg vehicle.  It works and I used it a lot.  I could never sell it as it would not pass the required safety standards, even for a motorcycle.  (Motorized bicycle)

This is not big oil doing this, it is all of the liberals that think the government should protect all of us from ourselves.  Who banned trans fats?  Was that Big Trans Fat inc.?  No, it was a bunch of liberals that just can't keep their nose out of everyone's business.  If the medical industry and big pharma are so influential, then why were trans fats banned?  That would have generated big money for drug companies and hospitals no?

Why are cigarettes being banned everywhere?  Just look at all of those cancer cases that would need chemo drugs and hospital care.

A buddy of mine just bought a new (new to him anyway) 1980 VW Rabbit Diesel that gets 55 mpg.  He had one in college and I remember that car well.  Now, you can by a hybrid Prius for like what...$40,000?  That stupid thing gets like 40 mpg and they are proud of this?  But see, that old Rabbit would not come anywhere near meeting today's safety standards, but it is grandfathered in so he is "allowed" to drive it. (for now) 34 years later and we still can't have a vehicle that gets the same, or better mileage than that old Rabbit?  Again, it is not big oil stopping this, the leftists are just trying to make sure we do not hurt ourselves.

I am tired of it to be honest.

Bill
The nanny state stuff does get old.  The current vitriol against E-cigarettes is some crazy stuff.  However, with cars everyone enjoys lower insurance rates because bodily injury and death claims per person and per mile driven have gone way, way down.  Tens of thousands of lives saved and countless injuries reduced or avoided altogether for about $50b / year in added new car costs I think is a good trade-off.  That's one place where I think government has done a public service that the public and industry would not have done for themselves.  Government regulation is also what took lead out of gasoline, and that's turning out to have an incredible positive impact on society.

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« Reply #94 on: January 20, 2015, 06:03:17 AM »
The nanny state stuff does get old.  The current vitriol against E-cigarettes is some crazy stuff.  However, with cars everyone enjoys lower insurance rates because bodily injury and death claims per person and per mile driven have gone way, way down.  Tens of thousands of lives saved and countless injuries reduced or avoided altogether for about $50b / year in added new car costs I think is a good trade-off.  That's one place where I think government has done a public service that the public and industry would not have done for themselves.  Government regulation is also what took lead out of gasoline, and that's turning out to have an incredible positive impact on society.

I don't really disagree with what you have said here Mark, A lot of folks do die on the roads and it is terrible.  My point was that it was not Big Oil that is keeping super mileage cars from the market.  I would like to think that if someone marketed an unsafe vehicle, not many would buy it and they would go under.  Maybe folks are not smart enough to do that any more?  When it comes to safety, usually there are unintended consequences.

I do not remember the statistical numbers but, we all can agree that flying commercial is far safer than driving...right?  When Airlines were told that a mother could no longer hold their infant in their lap, and had to buy a seat for the child, many parents decided to drive instead of fly as they could not afford it any longer. 

At the point the Government made this decision...guess how many kids were injured as a result of sitting on their Mom's laps in a commercial aircraft?  0.  Now, how many were injured or killed when they had to drive instead of fly?  As I said, I do not recall the number but it was way more than 0.

I would not want to have to make these decisions that affect real people's lives, for many reasons including the example above.  I just think the Gov., which is nothing more than a group of people, make many bad decisions like this all of the time because it looks good...at first.

I agree about the e-cigs.  Now our town has banned "smoking" them in buildings and businesses.  When asked why, the Mayor said that.."Well, when people see folks using these E-cigs, they might mistake them for a real cigarette and then light a real one up themselves, and we can't have that"  I kid you not.

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« Reply #94 on: January 20, 2015, 06:03:17 AM »
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« Reply #95 on: January 20, 2015, 06:44:57 AM »
I don't really disagree with what you have said here Mark, A lot of folks do die on the roads and it is terrible.  My point was that it was not Big Oil that is keeping super mileage cars from the market.  I would like to think that if someone marketed an unsafe vehicle, not many would buy it and they would go under.  Maybe folks are not smart enough to do that any more?  When it comes to safety, usually there are unintended consequences.

I do not remember the statistical numbers but, we all can agree that flying commercial is far safer than driving...right?  When Airlines were told that a mother could no longer hold their infant in their lap, and had to buy a seat for the child, many parents decided to drive instead of fly as they could not afford it any longer. 

At the point the Government made this decision...guess how many kids were injured as a result of sitting on their Mom's laps in a commercial aircraft?  0.  Now, how many were injured or killed when they had to drive instead of fly?  As I said, I do not recall the number but it was way more than 0.

I would not want to have to make these decisions that affect real people's lives, for many reasons including the example above.  I just think the Gov., which is nothing more than a group of people, make many bad decisions like this all of the time because it looks good...at first.

I agree about the e-cigs.  Now our town has banned "smoking" them in buildings and businesses.  When asked why, the Mayor said that.."Well, when people see folks using these E-cigs, they might mistake them for a real cigarette and then light a real one up themselves, and we can't have that"  I kid you not.

Bill
I don't smoke.  When I first started working in a town where workplace smoking was banned it was something that made life for me more pleasant, even though I always considered other people's smoking mostly a minor annoyance from the ashes and smell of stale ashes being everywhere.  But this E-cig stuff is just nuts.  There are crazies wandering around shouting up the completely unevidenced notion of "second hand vapor". 

The separate seat for an infant might have made sense in 1970.  These days I don't see a safety justification.  Travel with an infant is tough on everyone.  People should avoid it if they can.  The way the airlines cram seats together an extra seat or two are needed just so the mother can have what they need to care for the infant accessible.


Offline raburgeson

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Re: Current ridicule
« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2015, 11:50:24 PM »
Survival rate has nothing to do with money. At the end of 5 years 3% are cancer free. The 300 MGP Volkswagen has never entered the US. So, how do you figure they tested it? Now, let's talk money. The price of oil drop over 50%, it did not drop over 50% at the pumps.

When I spoke of money and chemo I was pointing out gouging high prices and an illegal monopoly. The government is one hundred percent behind protecting that monopoly.

3% is being to kind as there is misdiagnosis and those people that would beat the cancer themselves without medication of any sort. This is horse crap medicine at best. Most western nations have real cures and they are on a shelf. That was the point of bringing up chemo in the first place and now I will go on to other fish to fry. Although big pharma has all kinds of big bad skeletons in their closet there are several other companies gouging and shelving and false advertising, and buying governments world wide. Why don't we go on and discuss Monsanto next.

Someone is starting to look like a government goon, I know how to fight with them. I get a lot of lame excuses all over the net for phama. There are many Big Pharma whistle blowers on the net. Search them with a good search engine and it will take you days to go through all the videos and articles. These are people that were on the inside and know the real story.

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« Reply #97 on: January 21, 2015, 12:51:27 AM »
Survival rate has nothing to do with money. At the end of 5 years 3% are cancer free. The 300 MGP Volkswagen has never entered the US. So, how do you figure they tested it? Now, let's talk money. The price of oil drop over 50%, it did not drop over 50% at the pumps.
The 300mpg VW is not 300mpg even in Germany, and is a technology demonstration vehicle.  VW is a leader in gas mileage worldwide, including products sold in the USA which have to meet stringent pollution and safety standards that impact fuel economy.  Even at that, when normalized to km/liter the USA versions of VW product get mileage very close to their European siblings. Oil gets: transported and refined.  Then the gasoline gets distributed, and taxed.  (A/2 + B + C + D) > (A + B + C + D)/2
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When I spoke of money and chemo I was pointing out gouging high prices and an illegal monopoly. The government is one hundred percent behind protecting that monopoly.
The state of pharmaceutical market manipulaton and collusion with politicians in the USA is shameful.
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3% is being to kind as there is misdiagnosis and those people that would beat the cancer themselves without medication of any sort. This is horse crap medicine at best. Most western nations have real cures and they are on a shelf. That was the point of bringing up chemo in the first place and now I will go on to other fish to fry. Although big pharma has all kinds of big bad skeletons in their closet there are several other companies gouging and shelving and false advertising, and buying governments world wide. Why don't we go on and discuss Monsanto next.

Someone is starting to look like a government goon, I know how to fight with them. I get a lot of lame excuses all over the net for phama. There are many Big Pharma whistle blowers on the net. Search them with a good search engine and it will take you days to go through all the videos and articles. These are people that were on the inside and know the real story.

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Re: Current ridicule
« Reply #98 on: January 21, 2015, 01:43:51 AM »
Survival rate has nothing to do with money.
Which is irrelevant.  Chemotherapy increases the 5yr and 10yr survival rate.  You seem to want people to die.  Just sayin'
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At the end of 5 years 3% are cancer free.
You could at least take the time to read your own exceptionally moronic articles.
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No, it only means that they survived at least 5 years before expiring.  If they die of cancer the day after their 5 year survival date, then they are still classed as cured!!
This moronic excuse for an article IS talking about the 5 year survival rate...and of course like most things you post...it's wrong.

It's likely a reference to an Australian study which attempting to look at the contribution chemotherapy makes to five year survival.  The figure is around 3%.  The cancer survival rate with chemotherapy is, at least according to one article closer to 60%. 
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When I spoke of money and chemo I was pointing out gouging high prices and an illegal monopoly.
What monopoly?  There are generic brands of taxol.  Medicines do not get any special protection than any other chemical patent.
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This is horse crap medicine at best.
Again you are simply and completely incorrect.  ALR with chemo is about 25% 5yr survival overall.  Without it you are pretty much dead in less than a year.
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Most western nations have real cures and they are on a shelf.
The only "cure" you made up....I mean mentioned was DCA.  DCA is not a cure, for example in murine studies it either did nothing or CAUSED tumors...but of course you didn't read that study...or any study...or much of anything at all that might challenge your intellect or your moronic preconceptions.   There is exactly one Phase I trial with published information on DCA.  The first Phase II trial was completed last year.  It might turn out to be a good treatment for some cancers...assuming people like you don't make it hard to hire good research staff.
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Someone is starting to look like a government goon
That clicking?  That's just the sound that you're out of ammo and now you're going to pretend like you have something else to do. :)
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These are people that were on the inside and know the real story.
LOL.  Now your argument is: "Oh it's out there on the internet somewhere.".  Tell you what, you post any article which is well sourced from actual science and strongly makes your case and I'll read it...then I'll tear it to shreds. :)  I highly doubt any such evidence exists on the internet but please feel free to surprise me. :)

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