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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #420 on: April 03, 2016, 12:23:45 AM »
Tinsel Hello! ;) Re your QEG I would like to be able to replicate your device just for my own use any chance you have a layout for the PCB I ask that as i know you use a saw to ingeniously cut the tracks. Also glad ti see you have reloaded your 2 videos on the QEG.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #421 on: April 03, 2016, 12:30:03 AM »
@AC:
Say I shuffle a deck of cards and deal them all out face-up. And you go through all your 8 gazillion bazillion permutations until you find the exact same layout and deal them out. Then Alien Gray comes along and tries to tell which layout was produced by which method. He can't do it (unless he notices that it took you a _lot_ longer to produce your layout.)

Get the picture? Two "black boxes" that both produce the same kind of output.... by looking at the output, you cannot tell which process was used to produce the output.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #422 on: April 03, 2016, 07:11:31 AM »
TinselKoala

What's your email address?

I have an offer for you, an invitation, to a cooperative build of the MetaQEG.

http://overunity.com/16511/metaqeg-an-invitation-to-tinselkoala-to-a-cooperative-build/

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #422 on: April 03, 2016, 07:11:31 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #423 on: April 04, 2016, 03:52:31 PM »
@AC:
Say I shuffle a deck of cards and deal them all out face-up. And you go through all your 8 gazillion bazillion permutations until you find the exact same layout and deal them out. Then Alien Gray comes along and tries to tell which layout was produced by which method. He can't do it (unless he notices that it took you a _lot_ longer to produce your layout.)

Get the picture? Two "black boxes" that both produce the same kind of output.... by looking at the output, you cannot tell which process was used to produce the output.
Your talking about the infinite number of monkeys.
 anyway you must be psychic I use to work at some electronic firm, the owner use to ask me to do just that, a sort of electronics detective. I did it for 5 years then he got some religious freak manager who expected me to accurately estimate the time each job would take oh lord did he do my head in ;) Anyway thanks for the layout I will try that when I can get round to it !

Also have you read any of Henry Morays writings he talks about a spark gap but also describes some out of this world happenings and goings on produced by his work, once he had the spark, he then talks about cosmic radiation and ions.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #424 on: April 05, 2016, 04:26:40 AM »
I haven't read this thread in it's entirety but did read the thread on this at Energetic Forum.  It seems only a select few people even pursued this much past some initial tests.  Barry, listener192, seems to be the only one that has really posted much experimental data  and it seems he's fallen off the map...  His user name is 'listener' and he joined the EF back in 2009 with a total of 22 posts.  Could it be that he gathered enough info to successfully replicate the effect and is why he's disappeared?   He seemed very determined to follow this one through.  I am surprised that more people didn't try to replicate this.  Paul and Jim seem to be some of the more technically competent and honest researchers out there...

Dave
My buddy  listener192 have ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED to me that he never succeed, and I had very very closely followed his work and made my own simulations and else.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #424 on: April 05, 2016, 04:26:40 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #425 on: April 05, 2016, 06:01:23 AM »
What is the difference between the "SERPS concept" and what I showed in the video linked above?

By the way, the Video URL has changed: It is now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdrAE_IZ74

Same video, just a different URL.
Hi TinselKoala,

VARs are not the principle the SERPS was supposed to work but indeed, what you did on the video is clearly VARs.

That's all the problem, BTW: you may accumulate 100 W of energy to oscillate between the coil and the caps tank, it is just like a mechanical flywheel  you have fed with energy by turning it, (same with a pendulum but just by swinging it at the beginning) it will continue to turn and you can calculate the "mechanical reactive power" so obtained, but as soon you will use the energy stored in the flywheel, the "reactive power" of the fly wheel will drop and even nullify if not fed back the very same time. In fact, this is mostly ENERGY but NOT// Power.

Your LEDs doesn't bright at all more than 4 W so you are, for now, far to be in overunity :/ You will only demonstrate overunity when your will be able to light with no doubt more than 4 W of light bulbs with full brightness. For this, you need to take a witnessing LED of 4 W (or an equivalent set) fed by its nominal voltage, it will be the unity of lightning, then we will able to compare the power you get with the sames LEDs you put as output but up to 5, 6, or more watts; 8 W, the double, would be very convincing.

For the SERPS principle, it was to reverse a quarter of period the sinusoid one on tow of the Power Curve, so that only "positive" and "negative" sinusoids parts nullifies each other in regard to the power meter. This was supposed to be a Power CONTINUOUSLY produced and so CONTINOUSLY "consumable" (not like a tank circuit which is a limited energy RESERVOIR.

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Didier
« Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 08:27:58 AM by Khwartz »

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #426 on: April 05, 2016, 06:25:41 AM »
The current is traveling through one half of the CT transformer on one half cycle and thru the other half of the transformer on the second half cycle.
How can it be? :/ If I take your 8th picture when the primary coil of your transformer is powered one way, the curent in your two halves output coils just go the very same way in the main loop of your circuit; isn't it? I mean, I don't see where and how the quarters of power curves are shifted nor that the current would be out of phase of 99° or around between the to coils output transformer. Could clear that for me? please.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 08:31:01 AM by Khwartz »

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #427 on: April 09, 2016, 03:26:11 AM »
How can it be? :/ If I take your 8th picture when the primary coil of your transformer is powered one way, the curent in your two halves output coils just go the very same way in the main loop of your circuit; isn't it? I mean, I don't see where and how the quarters of power curves are shifted nor that the current would be out of phase of 99° or around between the to coils output transformer. Could clear that for me? please.

My circuit is arranged differently now than it was when I made those posts some time ago. My caps are arranged on the center tapped leg of the transformer and only allowing the caps to charge in one polarity, hence the reason the current waveform was 180 degrees out every other half cycle.  However, it seems I've made a measurement error and that last waveform I posted is meaningless.  I've corrected it and my waveforms look more in line with convention now. 

Are you in contact with listener192? Or do you know how to contact him?

Thanks,

Dave

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #428 on: April 10, 2016, 11:02:50 AM »
Problem I've never heard that putting cap to series/parallel can give OU, the energy state still the same because capacitance reduce when put in series...

That being said, Hector Perez (the guy with his rotoverter) claimed in special resonant configuration, that you can extract real power from the reactive one, playing with phase (usually three phase power) is the key.
According to him he reversed current in the battery through the inverter ("reverse" power factor correction).
The load and the inductor act "negative" but a lot of impedance matching is necessary.
In the "combine" PDF you can read that is when R is at current node it's powered by "radiant energy" full light with 1/10 of the input voltage...
This theory is worth what it worth...
Anyway I would like to see a schematic of that circuit before making my definitive opinion.

When I see words like this,
"...Virtual power RE Radiant Energy or RADIO SIGNAL...", or I see sacred numbers such as pi 3.14159 or the golden ratio 1:1.618 showing up in Hector Torres/Rortoverter literature, I know its time to do some serious reading and play follow the leader. Meta.

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Response from MJ:

Any tuned circuit generates lots of virtual power. The one-million question is how to convert that to real power! It is the electric engineering "holy-grail". Any attempt to extract real power will reflect to the source.

Response from Hector Torres:

Idea is to CAPTURE a SAFE portion of the OVERUNITY PF Virtual power RE Radiant Energy or RADIO SIGNAL (think, Gerrard Morin. Meta) being created ... .382 of 1.618 as a sample of 10 x averaged energy .

The DIODE plug energy as transfered to a CAPACITOR becomes REAL joule potential ... ( no longer virtual and is discharged being non reflective to source) Thats all to it , people that do the lab and the math can loop the system , that is already done also (Over 7 looped systems already ) so whats the issue ? I say start on the power savings ones ..
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Sometimes we need the circuits to extract power from resonance or virtual reactive power circulation.

Sometimes just to limit the voltage growth in a BEMF collection capacitor.

Hector's claims that the resonance holds the radiant energy circulation - where we can extract a large portion of it without stopping the resonance.

(Quote) A simple LC has a DECAY value in time; the only energy you need to supply is the one lost to decay, as if the system source were a negative inductor to LC (as in the case of RV alternator). Normal entropy decay is 0.618 of 1.618 as logarithmic time receding signal (search for Seike work in ultra-relativity concepts), so the gain is also in atropic system of 1.618 where frequency increase in octaves may increase amplification by a factor of 3.141592 where the spiral resonant circular projection can be expressed in a 12,000 4d polygon structure (as similar to double helix DNA structure - reason human system is OU by all definitions). Remember LOGARITHMIC SPIRALS ORBITAL DECAY PATH IS RELATIVE to gravity as SIGNAL DECAY OR GAIN IS RELATIVE TO LC Q and parameters in a working ZPE system.

It can be done either way, using a reactance to charge a cap, or discharge a cap in a reactive circuit; the resonant condition creates a logarithmic path where VAR power is created and carries a magnetic amplification component with it.
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #428 on: April 10, 2016, 11:02:50 AM »
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« Reply #429 on: April 10, 2016, 03:58:18 PM »
From Farmhand on page 9

Surely we can agree on those simple points.

1) On the charge phase the power dissipated by the resistors cannot charge the capacitors.

2) On the discharge phase the power dissipated by the resistors cannot be returned to the supply.

If we can not all agree on those two points, we have strange things to discuss.  :)

If anyone disagrees with the two points above please say so and explain why and how it can be different.

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P.S. Basically these people are claiming that they can draw power from the supply and dissipate almost all of that power in
the light bulbs and then return that same power to the supply.

Our job as experimenters is to determine what is actually happening because what I just described cannot be what is going on.
Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Here's a strange thing you don't know of and I doubt that Murry and Babcock know of it either.

The Electron Theory of electrons moving from positive to negative, has a diametrically opposite partner called the Hole Theory where electrons move from negative to positive and I make use of it in the MetaQEG device. Electrons move both ways, spiraling around a wire.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #430 on: April 10, 2016, 04:14:41 PM »
From Farmhand on page 9

Here's a strange thing you don't know of and I doubt that Murry and Babcock know of it either.

The Electron Theory of electrons moving from positive to negative, has a diametrically opposite partner called the Hole Theory where electrons move from negative to positive and I make use of it in the MetaQEG device. Electrons move both ways, spiraling around a wire.

Wow-you just discovered true and conventional current flow ;)


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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #431 on: April 12, 2016, 09:53:38 AM »
Tinman, is there any chance you could take my name out of that quote ? I have nothing to do with that statement.

Just to make clear the statement in the previous post does not have anything to do with me ! Just sayin.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #432 on: April 15, 2016, 08:55:46 PM »
My circuit is arranged differently now than it was when I made those posts some time ago.
ok :)

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My caps are arranged on the center tapped leg of the transformer and only allowing the caps to charge in one polarity, 
How you do that? You use polarised caps or some diodes? could you make an update schematic please? Dave.

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hence the reason the current waveform was 180 degrees out every other half cycle. 
. . . Need you schematic, for now, don't follow you :/

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However, it seems I've made a measurement error and that last waveform I posted is meaningless.  I've corrected it and my waveforms look more in line with convention now.   
. . . Noticed.

 
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Are you in contact with listener192? Or do you know how to contact him?
Just PM him but I am afraid he will answer you just what he answered to me! ^_^

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Thanks,

Dave
Thanks to you to still be interested in this subject if I got some doubts about

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #433 on: April 15, 2016, 09:59:29 PM »


Here's a strange thing you don't know of and I doubt that Murry and Babcock know of it either.

The Electron Theory of electrons moving from positive to negative, has a diametrically opposite partner called the Hole Theory where electrons move from negative to positive and I make use of it in the MetaQEG device. Electrons move both ways, spiraling around a wire.

Maybe you should go to one of those schools you despise so much.  You have that theory exactly backwards.  Electrons are negatively charged so they go from negative to positive.  And the holes move in the opposite direction.  Or is it that things in your Meta World work backwards to the real world?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #434 on: April 15, 2016, 11:35:58 PM »
ok :)
How you do that? You use polarised caps or some diodes? could you make an update schematic please? Dave.
. . . Need you schematic, for now, don't follow you :/
. . . Noticed.

 Just PM him but I am afraid he will answer you just what he answered to me! ^_^
Thanks to you to still be interested in this subject if I got some doubts about

This is my generalized schematic:  http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j365/web000x/image_zpsq8bci5qx.jpeg

S3 and S4 open when their respective side of the transformer winding goes positive.  When S3 is open, S4 is closed and visa versa.  This allows for the caps to only see one polarity.  You can see in Jim's old SERPS videos that he used polarized caps.  Trying to use unpolarized caps and running the circuit according to my original diagram produces a waveform that is nothing like what paul and jim showed at the conference.  The caps being seated on the center leg of the xfmr and only charging to one polarity is much closer to their waveform.

Dave

 

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