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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 201290 times)

Offline Mr Summitville

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #360 on: October 01, 2014, 11:17:00 PM »
Older Electric Meter on the House Mains ...
It has been stated that the older Analog Electric Meters billed exactly the same way
regardless of whether the amperage was "flowing in / consumed" or "flowing out / generated"
in relationship to the voltage cycle.
The Lead/Lag Phase Angle matters but "0 Degrees vs 180 Degrees" did not matter.
Anyone trying to install a Grid-Tie Inverter could not get the benefit of "pushing" amperage
into the Grid until they got a permit and a newer meter.
We MUST get a permit to "push" amperage into the grid.

Offsetting some incoming amperage may be possible, without a permit, though.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #361 on: October 07, 2014, 12:50:38 AM »
Hi! Mr Summitville.

Very understand what you have stated but if all done through a transformer and that transformer sees indeed the back and forth power at its secondary to ONLY consum the difference in mean of real power at the primary, this primary been feed by the grid through any power meter you want, the the problem would be no more; wouldn't it?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #362 on: October 07, 2014, 04:12:15 AM »
Hi! Mr Summitville.

Very understand what you have stated but if all done through a transformer and that transformer sees indeed the back and forth power at its secondary to ONLY consum the difference in mean of real power at the primary, this primary been feed by the grid through any power meter you want, the the problem would be no more; wouldn't it?

Cheers.
Khwatz,
 There is a slight language barrier here which is making it hard for me to fully understand exactly what you are stating. so I will re-phrase ...
 If all you have is an old style Load Meter, a transformer, a Load and this COP20 circuit then you will *PAY* to pull amperage (consume) from the Grid and you will *PAY* to push amperage (generate) into the Grid.
 If there are other loads on the Mains then you may offset / reduce your Billable amperage.

 Other issues ...
 1) Motors and other inductive loads may not like the instantaneous switch from the Plus Peak Voltage to the Minus Peak Voltage or the instantaneous switch from the Minus Peak Voltage to the Plus Peak Voltage
 2) Does the Capacitance value need to be tuned to each specific load value?
 3) Does the transformer need to increase sqrt(2) the Mains voltage to compensate for the Capacitor "stealing" half the power in the first quadrant since that is the power that is returned to the load by the caps in the 2nd quadrant.
 4) The harmonics are very nasty

 OK, this may "work" with small 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb but ...
 will it "work" with a 5KW Hot Water Heater?
 will it "work" with any device / appliance with a motor?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #362 on: October 07, 2014, 04:12:15 AM »
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Offline Khwartz

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #363 on: October 07, 2014, 06:44:34 AM »
 Mr Summitville.

Sorry if my English is not good enough to give you certainty about what I was saying.

What I have understood is that on the old meter you talk about, it could register both back and forth power and we would pay in both cases.

What I say is that is it not relevant note if we use a transformer and that only the difference between the forth power and back power is seen at the primary of the transformer.

e.g. let's say we have 1kW forwarding toward the load at the secondary side of the transformer and 0.9kW of returning power form the load, still at the secondary side. I assume we would have only ~0.1 kW of real power drained from the grid by the primary of the transformer.

Then, if we have very very little proportion of real power registred by the grid power meter, we don't care of the characteristics of the power grid meter because this meter is in a way "insulted" from the much higher power (active and reactive) which runs on the secondary side of the transformer.

To sum-up, we could even use a battery and an inverter to feed the primary of the transformer and be completely "unplug" and self-running while charging time to time the battery with the secondary power.

If It is not clear enough, I am afraid I am not able to do better explanation in English.

For your other notes in your last post, yes, I do think they could be relevant and just to be checked; imho.


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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #364 on: October 13, 2014, 01:38:23 PM »
* Correction: "this meter is in a way "insulated" from" ....

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #364 on: October 13, 2014, 01:38:23 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #365 on: October 13, 2014, 09:30:05 PM »
I like "insulted" better.
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #366 on: October 14, 2014, 11:15:15 AM »

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #367 on: November 01, 2014, 08:51:39 PM »
All,

After experimenting with various schemes, I eventually came up with a charge push scheme that uses an additional 115V (but even better results with 230V) winding, to supply an in phase half sine push to the cap after charging. This allows the cap to discharge just after the peak of the half sine and allows an average return power equal to the average forward power through the load. The attached were taken using dual 115V windings. The attached shows 1.58W average power (differential) from source and  8.07W average in load.

Use of a 230V push winding allows larger caps to be used for example 150uF, and the best achieve with the scheme so far is about 30W averag in load for 4W average source power (differential).

Barry

  So you managed to achieve an input power of 1.58W and an output power of 8.07W (average) calculated by your DSO ?
  Can you post the schematics for the circuit that achieved those results ?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #368 on: November 03, 2014, 08:34:23 PM »
Hi Scifi123,

That circuit was returning power but not where it was needed for a generator.

I have since found a couple of ways in simulation to achieve the desired result.

The first shot most closely replicates the Babcock/Murray waveforms.

At the moment transformer and switch issues need to be resolved for high power testing.

Simulation allows the effect of transformer parameter changing to be determined but there are a lot of variables to be optimised for a practical working circuit.   

During the Babcock/Murray telephone call-in, they requested that those of us that had been experimenting and getting results, not post details of their work, so their patent application would not be made more difficult.

I don't have a problem with this and so the attached shots only show simulated results and not the circuits that produced them.

One of these shots shows the power developed in two separate loads. Power is sampled on the source side of the transformer so includes the magnetising current component.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #368 on: November 03, 2014, 08:34:23 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #369 on: November 04, 2014, 11:28:15 AM »
 8) Great to see Barry that you respect the wills of the inventors to help them in their patent application. :)

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #370 on: November 05, 2014, 02:25:54 AM »
there must be some stealing involved, you can not do it with your own generator! in likely event charge capacitor on low voltage slope and cut the line so meters can not read as full load! low voltage can be step up to use or to give back with sencron converters. There is no free energy in it.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #370 on: November 05, 2014, 02:25:54 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #371 on: November 05, 2014, 08:01:04 AM »
there must be some stealing involved, you can not do it with your own generator! in likely event charge capacitor on low voltage slope and cut the line so meters can not read as full load! low voltage can be step up to use or to give back with sencron converters. There is no free energy in it.
Lol! Just tell me: how well you guy know about "versors"? Difference between efm and voltage and their de-copling? About Steinmetz? de Haas? How Faraday, Maxwell, Hertz thought electromagnetism, because without this knowledge and understanding, how can you claim such a things?  ???

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #372 on: November 05, 2014, 09:02:05 AM »
This is a description I found elsewhere that sums up what is happening.
Barry


SERPS & Dynaflux

The most important thing to understand is that Power and Energy are two completely different things.
 
Energy is measured in joules as a finite quantity with no respect to time
Power is measured in joules per second with respect to time
Theoretically you can derive an almost infinite amount of power from a small amount of energy. It all depends on the time frame. However there is another aspect to this that Jim Murray introduces that is particularly novel.
In conventional electrical terms it is thought energy can be only used once, and that all the energy is contained within the magnetic and dielectric fields.
Jim Murray makes the point that energy can be used multiple times over giving more power than has traditionally been thought possible. This “extra” energy comes from a momentum like component in electricity that has been largely ignored in the scientific community.
“Maxwell thought that all the electrical energy was carried in the magnetic and electrical fields. 30 years later Einstein and De Haas found that there was addition energy that was carried by the current itself and not by the fields. (They decided not to correct this.)
In a normal situation the reactive power is defined as a form of restorative power in which the average value is zero. The problem with that is the current and voltages are usually out of phase by 90 degrees so that you cannot use it. What this devise allows you to do is create watts that go back and forth doing the same thing and the watts become reactive.”
This understanding forms the crux of Jim Murray’s invention

Reactive Power: This instantly confuses pretty much everyone listening to Jim Murray. Most people when they hear the terms “reactive power” think current and voltage that are out of phase as in the traditional sense. THIS IS NOT WHAT JIM MURRAY MEANS. When current and voltage are out of phase you get the units called a “var”. When they are in phase you get real power in kW.
The condition of reactance is created by the phenomena of reflection. In normal reactive power a portion of the current independent of voltage is reflected meaning it is sent back to the source.
In Jim Murray’s case however current AND voltage are reflected back to the source at the same time and are considered “reactive” however in this case they are both in phase and thus instead of being reactive “vars” they are considered reactive “kW”.
This ability for energy to reflect on the same line causes an increase of power without violating the law of conservation of energy! This is what he terms Energy Resonance, which is NOT the same as frequency resonance.
This is the principle behind the SERPS technology which really was initially developed by Tesla when creating his Tesla Magnifying Transmitter. Reflection is what creates a standing wave and this while a well known phenomenon has some unique effects in electrical terms.
While it us unclear to me if the Dynaflux makes use of “Energy Resonance” in the reflected way… it does something else to recycle energy. The alternator works on the principle of pulsing a large magnetic field and causing a rotor to spin based on geometry. The energy used to pulse the rotor is recovered/recaptured and then sent back to the input. This is very similar to the Bedini spike capture technology in principle. It is also what Paul Babcock is attempting to do with his motor.
The unique thing about the dynflux is that it creates a rather interesting almost paradoxical case.
From the patent:
 
Overall Motor Efficiency=79.84%
“Apparent System Efficiency=2,606.296 watts/918.758 watts×100%=283.676%.
It’s the recovery of the energy used to spin the motor which creates this over-unity like condition.
Again energy can be recycled, more than thought possible leading to above 100% efficiency from a conventional point of view.
To reiterate, this is NOT free energy or a break in the law of conservation. This merely requires a paradigm change in what we think is possible to do with a finite quantity of energy. Eventually ALL the energy does get used up and released as heat, so this is NOT a perpetual motion machine. It can not be bootstrapped as one might think 100%+ efficiency implies.
The dynalfux or the SERPS will always require energy input, it’s just that they need less energy and can create more power. You can even send back more power than you are using, however you can not send back more energy than you are using.
Again the distinction between energy and power needs to be made crystal clear here.
 

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #373 on: November 05, 2014, 09:14:31 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #374 on: March 31, 2015, 07:13:04 AM »
Is there anybody that saw the demonstration unit and knows the number of transistor/scr switches that the 2014 SERPS demonstration had?


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