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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 201199 times)

Offline x_name41

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #180 on: July 23, 2014, 02:13:47 AM »
@x_name41Nice !
What is the output versus input power ratio in your device ?
Many thanks !

Regards, Stefan.
I have no idea, because i used sound card as a oscilloscope and i had no opportunity to calibrate and adjust the ratios, for the ratio between input and output power i can say that in the DC power supply i have 3,45V/0,54A.- without load, and with load have 3,68V/0,53A. Load is it incandescent bulb on a 24V/0,020A. I would like this device, to use it for laptop power supply :)

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #181 on: July 23, 2014, 04:25:39 AM »
I am still playing with the simulator.

I came up with this  output circuit
by also using there a switched cap which makes the output pulses bigger.
The switching pulses are inverted to the main switching pulses, so this second cap
is 180 degrees out of phase switched onto the load resistor.

Well, as thze second scopeshot from the left ( the white one) shows the
actual peak values of the input power, where the minus amplitude means
POSITIVE input power and the positive wave means NEGATIVE input power (power delivered back to the grid)
you see, that this circuit draws around 826 - 610 Watts= 216 Watts...
But these are only the peak values...so no real RMS measurements.

At the load resistor the peak values are 279 Watts, but surely the curves must be integrated
to see the real RMS output power. This is unfortunately not available in this simulator...

Well you can see, if you switch the output switching OFF with the switch at the top,
the amplitude at the load resistor falls to around 96 Watts Peak.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #182 on: July 23, 2014, 08:13:41 AM »
I have no idea, because i used sound card as a oscilloscope and i had no opportunity to calibrate and adjust the ratios, for the ratio between input and output power i can say that in the DC power supply i have 3,45V/0,54A.- without load, and with load have 3,68V/0,53A. Load is it incandescent bulb on a 24V/0,020A. I would like this device, to use it for laptop power supply :)

Maybe you can try to self-loop your device. Instead of lightbulb use brige rectifier and 400V cap, and bring all power back. It will work or not :D.
All this mesurment with light bulbs and standard multi-meter are inconclusive anyway.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #182 on: July 23, 2014, 08:13:41 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #183 on: July 23, 2014, 09:16:16 AM »

Guys, I would stick to the basics and go from there to see if it works before trying new stuff, or it will be endless…  Even just sticking to the basics we need to make assumptions. For instance, I started my thinking about the serps starting from a basic tank circuit. Visualize the cap charging and discharging with regards to voltage and current. As soon as you start inserting a load in series with the cap and coil (the secondary of our transformer) the phase shifts and the source starts to see the tank as a load. The higher the resistance the worse it gets. BUT if we force switch the tank to stay in the 90-180-270-360 phase switching in theory it should work right? If we now start inserting a load (resistance) it takes more time to charge/discharge the cap, but we need to charge and fully discharge it before each reversal. So we know that the higher the load resistance, the smaller our cap value and vice versa. Keep in mind that a non switched tank circuit works well with open core coils. Closed cores, be it toroidal or E type is terrible, so here me have to make assumptions. Do they use standard ones or modified cores..?
Jim's early demonstration shows he was using the full duty cycle (25%) per quarter.  In the last one they only use about 13-14% of the duty cycle. And the waves look different. When I went to parallel/series switching the current waves actually looked the same as the ones on the plastic box scope shots of the latest demo, except that the discharge current was about half.
We have to analyse and test what we know and work from there.


regards,
Mario


btw, what has the bitoroid stuff to do in this thread?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #184 on: July 23, 2014, 12:11:56 PM »
I have no idea, because i used sound card as a oscilloscope and i had no opportunity to calibrate and adjust the ratios, for the ratio between input and output power i can say that in the DC power supply i have 3,45V/0,54A.- without load, and with load have 3,68V/0,53A. Load is it incandescent bulb on a 24V/0,020A. I would like this device, to use it for laptop power supply :)
Let me see if I understand. Your load is 24V bulb drawing 20 milliAmps, for a power of about half a Watt.
You are supplying 3.68V at 0.53 Amp, or nearly two Watts. This isn't really very good efficiency.

Are you thinking you can just take the _difference_ in the supply power, loaded and unloaded, and claim that that is your input power lighting the bulb? No, you aren't allowed to do that and here is why:

Turn on your garden hose and direct it out into your yard. Measure the flow rate at the faucet. This is your "unloaded" flow rate. Now, without changing anything, bring a bucket over and let the hose play half into the bucket and half into the yard. The bucket, your load, is filling up, right? Measure the flow rate at the faucet. Is it different than before? You are being charged for this flow rate, not just what hits the bucket.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #184 on: July 23, 2014, 12:11:56 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #185 on: July 23, 2014, 01:00:09 PM »
Hi Stefan and all,


I made a mistake in the single cap schematic I posted yesterday. Here's how I'm switching and reversing the one cap setup. One AC switch is made of two mosfets (even tough I drew a tranny symbol). One switch is enough, but I had to use two in parallel because I could not sum the 4 control signals without getting a short in the control part.

regards,
Mario

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2014, 01:04:33 PM »
looks, if in the resonance circuit have 100VAr, it of the output these 100VAr are transformed into 100Watts really output power, while at the entrance from DC power supply are consumed 5Watts

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #187 on: July 23, 2014, 01:07:55 PM »
Here are two caps switching although I cannot get the timing exactly how I want it.
I am not familiar with this simulation software but it seems to show the AC source has all the power returned to it but still 76W in the load.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #188 on: July 23, 2014, 06:35:38 PM »
When these guys say that the output is over 50 Watts and the input is only 1.1 Watts, aren't they actually saying that
the setup outputs over 50 Joules of energy per second with only 1.1 Joules of energy per second input ?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #188 on: July 23, 2014, 06:35:38 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #189 on: July 23, 2014, 06:55:27 PM »
Sorry, that last simulation is only using one cap. The left one has a connectivity problem.

The generator still has to generate 1.29 KVA peak to support this load. The supply company would not be a happy about this. Seems like SERPS just defeats meters that dont measure reactive power.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #190 on: July 23, 2014, 07:13:57 PM »
Stripped out all the stuff not used. Note that doubling up on the output tank did not increase the input KVA.

Suspect if you added more tanks this will hold true until you get to 1.3KW real power.

Nice if you dont want to be metered for the power you use!

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #190 on: July 23, 2014, 07:13:57 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #191 on: July 23, 2014, 07:15:35 PM »
listener191,

Actually, that's an issue of power factor correction. You can greatly reduce the amount of reactive power by making sure that your tank circuit reactances completely cancel when the circuit is not being switched. I did find, however, that when you activate the switches, that the reactive power shows up again. I used a parallel capacitor on the input of the transformer to reduce it again, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to want to let me switch the Real power waveform like I can the reactive. Still working on this as it could be a parameter issue.

Oh and one other note about your simulation. I noticed that the source input current on the far left graph has a significant DC offset. This indicates that your simulation is still in the transient stage and hasn't leveled out yet. In my simulations, I included a series 0.01 Ohm resistor, which I can adjust to 1-10 Ohms to bleed off the DC offset from the source. Once is balances out, then change it back to 0.01 Ohms. Otherwise, you will get inaccurate output waveforms until enough time has elapsed for things to reach their steady-state values.

@Stefan,

Concerning your inquiry about bi-directional switches. My company has specifically developed a high-speed solid-state relay specifically for Free energy researchers and experimenters who are working on projects like this one. We also have a bunch of other bench tools that we are developing and are currently in the process of setting up a distribution website to offer these products to the FE community.

If anyone is interested, attached is the datasheet for our SSR boards. I'll share the website link soon with everyone once our site is ready to launch in a week or so. Also, the datasheet contains an application notes section with lots of example circuits and switch protection methods which may be useful for those who want to work with high-speed switching circuits.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #192 on: July 23, 2014, 09:08:04 PM »
Hi Jason,

Have removed the DC offset and reduced input PF as much as I could with cap across input and then adjust component values to minimise  +/- Watts and maximise load power.

I dont seem to be able to get decent load power without the reactive input.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #193 on: July 23, 2014, 09:15:10 PM »
I see; rather than using a transformer or series/parallel capcitor to invert the direction of the currents during power reversal you can also use the properties of a series LCR tank to do the same. Very interesting.

Anti-resonance between the inductor and capacitor causes the potentials across them to cancel (anti-series) and when you switch to the other capacitor the potentials becomes additive and, if I'm not mistaken, should be 180 degrees in opposition to line potential, thus forcing current backwards. (Note: I haven't worked out all the details regarding phases of each voltage source, but the explanation should be correct for the most part.

If people do this know that there is an absolute upper limit for the load resistance to allow for LC oscillations to develop [1]:

The frequency of oscillation of an oscillatory LCR circuit decreases with increasing R and becomes zero at the Critical Resistance boundary, the point at which the circuit ceases to oscillate.

The boundary for under-damped oscillations (free or forced) becomes:

R < 2*sqrt(L/C)

The fundamental oscillatory frequency of an LCR is given by:

f_LCR = 1/2pi * sqrt((1 / LC) - (R^2 / 4L^2))

Thus resonant frequency of circuit shifts with changes in load resistance with limits:

0 Hz ≤ f_osc < 1/(2pi*sqrt(LC))

Where increases in R from 0 to R_crit reduces frequency from f_LC to zero.

With the above in mind, using MOSFETs in SSR configuration, instead of IGBTs, is the better choice since MOSFETs can pass currents in BOTH directions when turned on, thus saving on conduction loses through the freewheeling diodes. And as it would seem only two SSRs are needed for all the switching needs of the circuit--much simpler than the parallel/series capacitor circuit I proposed earlier! I'm still curious if PWM could benefit the circuit in reducing harmonics.

References:
[1] CP Steinmetz Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations 3rd Ed. 5th Imp., 1920, pgs. 62-63, 94 & 96.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #194 on: July 23, 2014, 09:36:35 PM »
Going back over the Babcock presentation Time 1.05.30,  he does state that the SERPS intentionally produces a reactive load to the generating source.

Here are a few comments I picked up on the web about reactive power and generators...

Reactive power would put no extra load on a generator shaft if everything were perfect.
However, real generators have real losses, with some of those proportional to the square of the current.
The reactive load causes more current in the wires than there would be with a purely resistive load of the same real power.
The extra current causes additional real power to be lost.
The power companies would not tolerate mass reactive loads.


For half each cycle, each reactive load is pushing power back into the phase/phases that is/are accepting energy.

You can't recover chemical energy, and some of that energy fed back into the generator is lost, but some of the energy is fed back into rotating kinetic energy of the generator.
Which makes the generator turn faster-slower-faster-slower etc.

A small generator does not have much rotating kinetic energy, so most of this energy is lost, and it just stresses the system.

Perhaps SERPS is better suited to wind generators?

Barry

 

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