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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 201790 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #75 on: July 13, 2014, 05:04:33 PM »
@MarkE,
where have you been 30 years along ?  :-*
This cross in the middle of the circle is a standard symbol for an incandescent light bulb...
I learned it already, when I was 10 years old around 1970 !  ;D

@SchubertReijiMaigo
Yes, the green curve in the original Babcock Murray Scopeshots are the current waveforms.
I called it i(t) which is a standard notation for the current in a circuit dependend on the time.

If you wonder, why in the Babcock Murray Scopeshots at the right side at the lamp output the
current is only positive, well they probably used there an additional bridge rectifier through the
lamps so the current shunts only show positive current or they used their scope set to show only
the absolute value of the current there.
But that does not change the main principle, that the discharge current of the 2 caps in series
drives negative energy back to the grid and thus produce oscillating reactive power.

So the power goes back and forth with the charge and discharge of the capacitors.

@havuhung
It seems to be a simular circuit. What does the Russian text say to it ?
How is the switching algorithm in this case ?

Many thanks.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #76 on: July 13, 2014, 05:45:56 PM »
Hi Stefan,
I am looking to the data stored in the computer and link! . .There is a picture of an unknown device is complete or not! . .

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2014, 06:01:09 PM »
@havuhung

At which website was this posted ? Link ?

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« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2014, 06:01:09 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2014, 06:11:30 PM »
User Silvertogold o the energetic forum mentioned, that my S1 switch is redundant.

He is absolutely right.

Also from the posted video you can see here in these 3 green marked numbers
that they seem to have only 3 connections of the cap board.

As when you open all my switches S2, S3 and S4 the circuit is already
 disconnected !
 So no need for S1 !
 Then we really only need 3 switches...
 The only questions I have not yet pondered about is the
 state of charge after the charge and after the discharge cycle.. Hmm
 do they really discharge all the charge in the caps and do they really
 fully charge the caps of the peak of the sine wave or could this
 be varried with their switching control circuits ?
 
 Any ideas ?
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2014, 06:14:26 PM »
He then replied also regarding the big transformer:

Hi Stefan,
 
 The large transformers could have 2 purposes as I see it,
1) just an isolation transformer for correct power measurements [having isolated grounds through
the transformer to connect them to the measurement machines -
like using a plugged into the wall scope to measure a circuit which is also plugged into the wall,
you have to be aware that the ground of the scope is the same as the ground of circuit and if
connected incorrectly you will get a short circuit or a wrong measurement]

 or

2) to move the I & V curves to the correct relationship for the switching to be most effective.  I don't know
which it is but suspect it's the first.
 
 Traditional "motors" and "generators" are actually both.  A motor and a generator and these functions can't be separated.
 It operates in both modes at the same time.  When the turbine turns, it acts more as a generator than a motor...
the reactive circuit returns the power to the generator to turn it - making it more of a motor than a generator
and then cycle continues IF the power being returned is more than went in. When the system balances out,
the power of the generator equals the power of the motor and it reaches a set speed.
 
 So basically, you connect an AC "generator" to the reactive circuit, give it a turn and the "generator"
will keep turning with no more power input while powering a resistive load.  A self running motor that
 powers a resistive load.  You could connect this generator-motor to another generator and get traditional power.
 So that's how it could work.
 
 How does this all work?  I don't know.  The power of charging a cap in parallel and then discharging it in
series from traditional science does nothing but loses energy.  So something else is going on that you're
 not going to get from college physics.
 
 But where has this worked before? 
1) Tesla switches &
2) Eric Dollards flux capacitor.
3) Bedini capacitive discharge circuits work on a similar principle.
 
 When you get sharp gradients, things change.
 
 I would be very skeptical of this working at all if it was not for Jim's demonstration.
 But there it is and it works.  And it's so simple when you see it and just study Jim's video,
it gives it all away for the most part. 
 
 I think the resistance is important, so they probably tuned it all to get the best results.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #81 on: July 13, 2014, 06:52:47 PM »
With regard to the two screen captures posted a few pages back:

1.  The captures were made approx 1/2 hour apart, so one cannot be absolutely certain that adjustments to the circuit (variac, etc) were not made in between the two captures.

2.  If the right side capture is indeed the I and V seen by Rload, then Rload appears to be a 10 ohm resistor (if I am reading the captures correctly, hard to see the divisions)

3.  The left side capture seems consistent with the V trace being 125V pk to pk or so (reduced line voltage via the variac?)

4.  The peak V values on the left and right captures appear different, so either the V was adjusted in between captures or possibly the transformer is being used to reduce voltage to Rload.

5.  The right side captures are consistent with full wave rectification.  Can anyone discern if there is a FWB just behind the left most capacitor in any of the images? 

6.  Possibly the transformer primary is in series with AC line (in Harti's lamp position in his cap switching schematic) with the secondary rectified and applied to the load.  Alternately, possibly a full wave bridge is in that location with its DC out to the load resistor, and as others have speculated, the transformer used for isolation. 

7.  If someone were to take the time to accurately graph out the left side capture, the V trace could be partially reassembled from the I and W trace values.

Looks like it is time for some of the sim people to try a few things to see if they can replicate the waveforms based on best guesses.

Just a few thoughts...

PW

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2014, 07:10:45 PM »
Look like don't work for me here...
I've made a simulation and don't seem to have excess.
The logic is like this.
0-90° --> charge in parallel.
90-180° --> discharge series.
then same thing but for the inverted polarity.
Putting cap to series/parallel doesn't give excess (this a well know fact).
When you charge cap 1/2 of energy is lost no matter what kind of resistance you use. It can be the parasitic resistance of the wire, capacitor ESR, or a bulb.
This is also true at discharge cycle 1/2 is again lost.
So for one unit of energy, 1/2 get "lost" and at discharge 1/2 of 1/2 get "lost" again.
So it give that 3/4 is lost/burned and only 1/4 return to source... 3/4+1/4=1 so energy is conserved in the whole process, I don't see unfortunately OU in this setup at least.
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #83 on: July 13, 2014, 07:11:43 PM »
In over three decades in the business I have never seen a circle with an X in it used for a light bulb.
Just another example of living inside the box.   After about 20 years of looking at alternative energy I assumed everyone recognized that as a light bulb who had interest in free energy.   It's so common in my experience that you don't want to know what I was thinking of saying about you for not knowing but I decided to chill   8) .   Surprised TK had any question though....   
BTW I don't think you'll ever see a multiplier with only 2 connections.   

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #84 on: July 13, 2014, 07:16:23 PM »
One more note.

As the left side capture is labeled as transformer output, it is possible the variac is driving the primary of the transformer and that the secondary (transformer output) is connected to the circuit.  This arrangement allows for both isolation and input V adjustment.

I must again address my concern, however, that the data collected from the transformer output is not necessarily going to reflect similar data measured directly at the AC line.  It is difficult to believe that anyone claiming to be able to draw real power from the AC line while returning the same or more power back to the AC line, would not include AC line measurement data.  A variac and that transformer must surely represent a fair amount of inductance between the AC line and the points in the circuit used for input power measurements.

I will remain skeptical until AC line input measurements are released that reflect what is happening directly at the AC line, and that also includes any power drawn from the driver circuitry.  The total AC line input power measured directly at the AC line, compared to that simultaneously made across Rload, would paint a more accurate picture.

PW




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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #85 on: July 13, 2014, 08:06:47 PM »
A bit of a correction and more observation:

In the left side capture, there appears to be approx 4 amps peak during the first positive cycle.  If Rload is indeed 10 ohms (as surmised from the right side capture data) and that 10R load is across the transformer output, then Vpeak on the left side graph would have also been similar to the 40volts seen on the right side graph (40V/10R= 4 amps).

However, if indeed Vpeak was 40V in the left side capture, the math trace should only show 160 watts or so, but instead it shows closer to 500 watts during that peak.

Possibly this indicates that the transformer is being used for more than just isolation.  Alternately it may be that the current shown in the left side capture does not truly reflect the 10R load resistor, but instead indicates the current thru the reactance of any caps being charged or discharged (and possibly Rload as well).   

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #86 on: July 13, 2014, 08:21:15 PM »
here s my schematic for BiToroid transformer as a reactive power energy source generator :) , use simple, a reliable and efficient resonant oscillator with self-excitation based on Mazilli ZVS circuit but here use bipolar transistors, This oscillator can operate both with one or two transistors and will be called the "x_name41_ZVS oscillator" :)



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and see my successful experiment of a single wire energy transmission  :) http://realstrannik.ru/forum/80-temy-xname41/117136-re-generatory-kapanadze-obshhaya-tema.html#228052
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 06:37:39 AM by x_name41 »

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #87 on: July 13, 2014, 08:42:20 PM »
One more note.

As the left side capture is labeled as transformer output, it is possible the variac is driving the primary of the transformer and that the secondary (transformer output) is connected to the circuit.  This arrangement allows for both isolation and input V adjustment.

I must again address my concern, however, that the data collected from the transformer output is not necessarily going to reflect similar data measured directly at the AC line.  It is difficult to believe that anyone claiming to be able to draw real power from the AC line while returning the same or more power back to the AC line, would not include AC line measurement data.  A variac and that transformer must surely represent a fair amount of inductance between the AC line and the points in the circuit used for input power measurements.

I will remain skeptical until AC line input measurements are released that reflect what is happening directly at the AC line, and that also includes any power drawn from the driver circuitry.  The total AC line input power measured directly at the AC line, compared to that simultaneously made across Rload, would paint a more accurate picture.

PW


I happen to think that a high efficency 97% HV Inverter 100-600Vdc input with MPP impedance matching 120-240VAC 50 or 60Hz
output should be part of the instrumentation tool kit of a power supply professional.   This inverter used in conjunction with a bridge
rectifier capacitor filter can operate as a nearly pefect "VARS Stop". This will keep VARS from transistioning in either direction across
a power link. This is because there is no way to represent VARS on a stable DC link and so will power readings can be taken with low cost
instruments there, if the inverter in operation remains stable. If the inverter is destablized by the load,  then a Corcom filter can be added
as a rotating power VARS resiviour on the output side of the inverter. These things will make sure real power can always be measured
on the DC link without the interference in either direction by virtual AC power. This is what is required for OU self looped operation.
The diode bridge will not have a PF power factor of zero but that should not distort virtual power from the utility net because non-zero
power factor is something that the utility network can handle and you will not be billed for.


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This will be easily checked in this case, I suspect that the lamps plugged into the output of the inverter and the
transformer plugged into the inverter will show nearly the same power values on the DC link with excess virtual power
rotating in conjunction with the inverter if the inverter can remain in stable operation. While the killawatt meter may
show different.




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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #88 on: July 13, 2014, 10:19:53 PM »
Look like don't work for me here...
I've made a simulation and don't seem to have excess.
The logic is like this.
0-90° --> charge in parallel.
90-180° --> discharge series.
then same thing but for the inverted polarity.
Putting cap to series/parallel doesn't give excess (this a well know fact).
When you charge cap 1/2 of energy is lost no matter what kind of resistance you use. It can be the parasitic resistance of the wire, capacitor ESR, or a bulb.
This is also true at discharge cycle 1/2 is again lost.
So for one unit of energy, 1/2 get "lost" and at discharge 1/2 of 1/2 get "lost" again.
So it give that 3/4 is lost/burned and only 1/4 return to source... 3/4+1/4=1 so energy is conserved in the whole process, I don't see unfortunately OU in this setup at least.
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Offline wayne49s

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #89 on: July 13, 2014, 10:36:23 PM »
Look like don't work for me here...

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I think you should consider the resistor (light bulb) as the output in this device. It is not a loss. It is the device to extract the overunity power. I would think it would be more like a battery is what I would be interested in lookng into.


/Wayne




 

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