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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 201210 times)

Offline synchro1

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Here's a video: They claim power's generated by the current, voltage out of phase 90 degrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDjWwoD83Rk&list=UU-41VqjATdRAlN7ztX8S30A

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 12:44:54 AM »
This video was placed by Gotoluc on his thread. I read the comments, some really very dumb, like Milehigh's:


"Luc,

I watched the clip.  I am going to read between the lines for you and I am not going to mince words.

The cost for the conference is $400 per person and they state that the attendance is limited to 150 people and they state that there are 72 seats left.  So they are only half-sold and the conference is less than two months away.  I am going to guess that if they sell out they will actually over-sell and sell 175 seats.  So that's 175 x 400 = $70,000 that they want to split up amongst themselves.

Reactive power is nothing more than power that you originally put into a reactive device, i.e.; an inductor or a capacitor, that is spat back at you by the reactive device.  Think of a training center for boxers where there is that thing where you punch a bag and it's on a vertical shaft with a stiff spring.  I just looked it up it's called a "speed bag."  You punch the speed bag and it punches you back.  That's all reactive power is, period.

Think of slowly charging a capacitor through a resistor, and then slowly discharging the same capacitor to ground through the same resistor - energy in then energy out.  Now replace that with a sine wave excitation and you more or less get the same thing - energy in then energy out.  "Reactive power" is not some "other form of power" - it's nothing more than the power you yourself supplied a fraction of a second before, just like the boxing speed bag.  In a sense, reactive power doesn't even exist.  Think of playing with a big spring, do you sense that there is some "new power" coming from the spring?

Anyway, here is the reality as I see it:  Aaron's clip is nothing more than a cynical ploy to sell more tickets so that he can hit his $70K target.  I have to believe that it is a staged clip where there are pitchmen for the fake setup, and the rest of the people are just casual observers who are not aware of what's going on.  I know saying that almost sounds crazy, but look at the model of John Rohner as an example.

All that we saw was a scope waveform and some boxes and a variac and a 100-watt resistor.

You want a clue that it is a fake?  That looks like a legit 100-watt power resistor in the setup.  It's supposed to be mounted vertically so the heat can be drawn away by the hot air flowing up the center of the tube like a chimney.  The bozos have it mounted horizontally.

When I see things like this sometimes I get offended.  That clip is an insult to every legitimate scientist and engineer involved in the electronics industry, and in a more general sense it's an insult to everyone.

Think about this:  If you were to scope the entire signal chain between the input to the load resistor, at some point you would have find a place where the voltage or current or both are much more than they are supposed to be.  Like somehow the average power or energy per cycle 20-fold like some magic energy is raining down like manna from heaven.  Do you get me?   Put your scope probes on point A and see 5 watts, then put your scope probes on point B and see 100 watts.  With your scope you should be able to see where the "magic power" enters the circuit.

Don't forget, these are the same people that at a previous conference projected a computer animation of a 10-coiler Bedini motor alternately charging battery banks back and forth while the unused bank was running an inverter and powering a house.  "Use a 10-coiler and you never have to pay for power again" was the message in that animation.  That's total crap and has never ever been proven and they had the audacity to project that at a conference".

MileHigh


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"You want a clue that it is a fake?  That looks like a legit 100-watt power resistor in the setup.  It's supposed to be mounted vertically so the heat can be drawn away by the hot air flowing up the center of the tube like a chimney.  The bozos have it mounted horizontally".


It's mounted horizontilly to demonstrate the accumulation of heat, not to dissipate it.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2014, 02:20:06 AM »
I would have to agree with MileHigh's assessment.

It's a desperation move without doubt.

But, having said that, I would LOVE to be proven
wrong...

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2014, 02:58:22 AM »
@SeaMonkey,


Milehigh's comparison of a spring to reactive power is completely false. A spring has real power stored in it. Reactive power is void of any real power. The claims of 20 times overunity may be false, but they have to be false for the right reasons. Milehigh really pumped way too much poop into his criticism.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2014, 03:11:42 AM »
Yeah I agree he totally went off on that one.   He even said it might sound crazy and yes it does sound crazy MileHigh.   You have been affected by solar flares or something.    Actually that resistor looks exactly like one I've got which is 225 watts.   Whether it is 100 or 225 if it is a higher wattage than Murray said in the video only reinforces they are getting more power out if it's getting hot with a higher wattage rating than he said.     Murray has high credentials as well as a patent.   Is Aaron trying to make some money on the conference?   Sure.  So what.   That doesn't mean Murray and Babcock are thrown their reputations to the wind and lying.   They seem to have something valid and some explanations that sound right too.   

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 03:37:48 AM »
The spring analogy is actually not too bad.

A capacitor or Inductor within an AC circuit
is continually absorbing energy (charging)
or releasing energy (discharging) in much the
same manner that a spring would be compressed
(charged) and expanded (discharged).

As the slope of the applied AC voltage is increasing
the reactors charge; as the slope of the applied AC
voltage decreases the reactors discharge; alternately
storing energy and releasing energy.

Y'all see something different than that?

So long as the reactive charging and discharging
are taking place without losses none of the
energy will be dissipated as power.

In truth there are some slight losses (IIR) so the
reactors are less than ideal.


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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 04:03:33 AM »
SeaMonkey sees it too so now we have two crazies!  lol

Think about your experiences pumping up a bicycle tire to 70 PSI by hand.  When the pressure starts to get very high it takes a lot of physical work to pass a little puff of air into the tire.  The capacitor is doing the same thing when it's at a higher voltage.

You have to try to grok this one and commune with Yoda and take some Spice and get electric blue eyes.  Then perhaps you will see into infinity and understand.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2014, 04:12:44 AM »
When it comes to the resistor, if you knew what you you were doing, if you wanted to get across to your audience that you possessed the minimum skill set to demonstrate you were "in the know" about electronics, you would mount the big pretzel resistor vertically.  Some may find that picky, but a lot of others would share my opinion.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2014, 09:04:20 PM »

Quote from e2matrix:

"Milehigh you are right you sound crazy.   You've gone off the deep end on this one.  It must be difficult keeping up with crushing all the new things that seem to be coming out faster and faster every day.   Firstly if that is a 100 watt resistor rather than a 50 watt resistor like they said in the video and it's getting hot then they must be getting even more power out so that sort of defeats your purpose of trying to call this fake.   It actually looks just like a resistor I've got that is 225 watts.   Whether it's 50, 100 or 225 if it's getting hot on 5 watts input they are onto something good IMO.  I also disagree that it should be mounted vertically.  IMO heat dissipation would be better in the horizontal position.   Heat comes more off the outside of that type resistor than it does the inside.  If it was vertical the heat from one end would be adding to the heat of the middle and the top end would be getting extra hot.  I would have liked to hear your honest evaluation on this but you are sounding like a raving lunatic in your last post".

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2014, 09:12:58 PM »
Reactive power: Reactive power does not do any work, so it is represented as the imaginary axis of the vector diagram. Real power does do work, so it is the real axis.

A better analogy would be like rolling a ball along an inclined plane. A force compared to reactive power holds the ball in position but delivers no force to the forward trajectory.

Real work is done when a spring is compressed, and real power released when it springs back!


@Dave45,

Thanks for the GIF!

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2014, 09:59:52 PM »

Pay close attention to this fact:

"Engineers care about apparent power, because even though the current associated with reactive power does no work at the load, it heats the wires, wasting energy".


                                                             Reactive waste heat equals reactive watts!

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2014, 11:08:08 PM »

Consider this:



"Capacitors and inductors (which are sometimes called reactors) are passive devices that generate or absorb reactive power. They accomplish this without significant real-power losses or operating expense".

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2014, 12:21:39 AM »
The transmission line itself is also a source of reactive power. A line that is open on the other end (without load) is like a capacitor and is a source of capacitive (leading) reactive power. The lengthwise inductances without current are not magnetized and do not introduce any reactive components.

On the other hand, when a line is conducting high current, the contribution of the lengthwise inductances is prevalent and the line itself becomes a source of inductive (lagging) reactive power. For each line can be calculated a characteristic value of power flow Sk.

If the transmitted power is above Sk, the line will introduce additionally inductive reactive power, and if it is below Sk, the line will introduce capacitive reactive power. The value of Sk depends on the voltage: for 400 kV line is about 32% of the nominal transmission power, for 220 kV line is about 28% and for 110 kV line is about 22%. The percentage will vary accordingly to construction parameters.


The ball across the incline plan moves faster as voltage rises, hence the the higher the reactive force per second to keep it in plane. Also, one can see the higher the voltage and applied reactive power the greater the percentage of reactive power generated in the transmission line itself. 32% at 400KV!


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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2014, 01:01:15 AM »
They must reduce the phase angle on the reactive power back to zero after spontaneously generating it in conjunction with hundreds of Kilovolts between the capacitors and inductor. This would no longer be reactive power but real power after phase conjunction. Looks like a genuine overunity device to me, and not a hoax!

 

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