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Offline picowatt

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2014, 02:06:00 AM »
Should I assume that no power measurements or waveforms have been provided that are taken from direct measurement of the AC line input, but are instead after the variac and/or that large transformer seen in the OP video?

The variac and/or the xfmr could represent a significant amount of inductance in series with the AC line.

It is a bit odd if no direct measurements of the AC line input have been provided.

Thanks,
PW

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2014, 02:24:13 AM »
Quote FarmHand: Well for energy to be transferred to the load then power must be consumed, if the power is returned to the grid then it is not
consumed and so it did no work that is reactive power, if the power does work then it is consumed and therefore cannot return to
the supply.

FarmHand-energy is never consumed,it is transformed.

You can bet ya bottom dollar that with Arron involved,there will be a book out soon for sale.
The Secret's of OU transformers.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2014, 02:48:22 AM »
Quote FarmHand: Well for energy to be transferred to the load then power must be consumed, if the power is returned to the grid then it is not
consumed and so it did no work that is reactive power, if the power does work then it is consumed and therefore cannot return to
the supply.

FarmHand-energy is never consumed,it is transformed.

You can bet ya bottom dollar that with Arron involved,there will be a book out soon for sale.
The Secret's of OU transformers.

TinMan, You should read my statement again, I said "power" is or isn't consumed and energy is transferred. If I did say energy was
consumed then I made a mistake, but I don't see where I wrote that. It's right there in your quote of me.  :)
I am usually careful not to write the wrong thing like that, but at times I might make mistakes, we are all only human. Not machines.

Gotta hold ya tongue right to read my posts.  ;D

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2014, 02:48:22 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2014, 02:50:00 AM »
Aaron is a dishonest person. Just look at the ASEA scam he is supporting.

Well some people are claiming it is a scam, but there are others that have been getting health benefits...

For instance in the comments at this page you can find some:
http://mlmblog.net/site/2010/02/asea-scam.html

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2014, 03:00:37 AM »
Should I assume that no power measurements or waveforms have been provided that are taken from direct measurement of the AC line input, but are instead after the variac and/or that large transformer seen in the OP video?

The variac and/or the xfmr could represent a significant amount of inductance in series with the AC line.

It is a bit odd if no direct measurements of the AC line input have been provided.

Thanks,
PW

PW. Would that cause the phase angle to alter so that the measured power V and I input is more out of phase or something ?
I would need to make a drawing and have a good think on it, then test it to see. Easier to ask or research. At least at first.

A point to consider is that Thane Heinz supposedly had a transformer between the grid and his BiTT, I read about the transformer
burning out and I think he stated he could not run the BiTT for too long because of that transformer heating up. But I am only
stating what I read from memory, maybe others know more about that. Of course if there is a transformer between the grid and
the device and it heats up then a lot of power is being consumed there in order to show the power Factor 0.0. phase angles on
the scope.

Something to look out for.
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Oh I would say yes assume that.
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2014, 03:00:37 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2014, 03:08:17 AM »
Well some people are claiming it is a scam, but there are others that have been getting health benefits...

For instance in the comments at this page you can find some:
http://mlmblog.net/site/2010/02/asea-scam.html

Yes well if you increase the amount of water you drink and it is unadulterated by the chemicals from the water treatment plant then
you will feel much better than if you don't drink much water or if you drink a lot of water with bad chemicals in it.

Then there is the placebo effect and testimonials are not to be believed anyway, they are paid for.

Some people do it for a job.
http://www.clear-writing.com/2010/08/how-to-spot-a-fake-testimonial/

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2014, 04:05:17 AM »
AS for the ASEA water debacle, It's salt water, one thing people might not realize is that we are told all the time to reduce salt in
our diet, which is fine if you intake too much salt, but a no or too low salt diet is very dangerous, we need salt it is vital to our
survival. Without enough salt the signals in our bodies are hampered, no salt can lead to death.

Just like oxygen we need it but it wears us out slowly, no one lives for ever. Do we stop breathing oxygen because of oxidants ? No.

So for any people who are low in salt then drinking some salt water will help them immensely. Some people need more salt than others. Enter ASEA (salt water) if you are low in salt it will make a world of difference, but so will increasing you salt intake.

Unless your arteries are hard like copper pipe don't reduce your salt intake. No salt = death.

I watched a documentary on some South American tribe in the Inca times, they had lots of gold and would throw the gold into a lake.
But there was no mines there, the tribe had no way of mining their own gold, as it turns out they were a long way from the coastline and salt was scarce, but they had a well full of saturated salt water, so they produced salt balls and traded it for gold.

The salt was more valuable than gold because gold is just trinkets, salt is life or death.

Basically if you intake the correct amount of salts and water and don't take in a lot of chemicals you'll do ok as long as there is no
illness.

ASEA: Another Expensive Way to Buy Water
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/asea-another-expensive-way-to-buy-water/

Asea Scam?
http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/asea-scam/

Of course it is a free world, people can recommend it and others can point to it being a falsity. Balance.

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Stress is a bigger killer than salt. But the medico's don't tell everyone to take a vallium and have a lay down, that would seriously
reduce their income. People not stressed out have a lot less health problems.

Unless the ASEA can regenerate my degenerated discs it's no use to me, I need a surgeon and some screws and rods to fix me.  ;)

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2014, 04:24:08 AM »
PW. Would that cause the phase angle to alter so that the measured power V and I input is more out of phase or something ?
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Farmhand, I do not know.  Like you, I would need to see the circuit.

Considering what is claimed, however, it just seems odd that no measurements have been provided of the actual AC line input.  There could be an acceptable reason for not providing line input measurements, I don't know.  I am surprised, however,  that no one here or at Energetic has asked about it.

I also wonder how much power the switching circuit consumes.  It would be interesting to see the total power consumed/returned at the line (driver included) versus whatever is dissipated in the load resistor.   

Again, maybe the AC line input data has been provided somewhere and I just haven't seen it.

PW

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2014, 05:06:36 AM »
In the new Babcock-Murray Serps circuit presented at the Bedini 2014 conference
the actual line input AC voltage is regular 60 Hz sine wave.

They did not publish this in the first left scopeshot, cause that would have given the
timing away...but the comparison of both scopeshots gives it away anyway, so that is why I wrote
it was an eye opener...

I think I know now, how it is working.
I pondered all day long now about it.

Imagine a sine 60 Hz wave input.
One cycle is 0 to 360 degrees.

It seems they just charge 2 caps in parallel via the lamps load from 30 to 90 degrees from the line voltage.
After this they electronically disconnect the 2 caps and put them in series
and at around 100 degrees , they discharge the 2 series caps back to the line voltage  versus the lamps again to about 160 degrees.
This way they have double the sine peak voltage to be able to discharge the 2 series caps and drive negative current back to the grid
through the lamps !

Then the same thing happens for the negative half wave of the sine wave.

At around 210 degrees the 2 caps are again switched in Parallel into the line voltage via the lamps in series and charged
until around 270 degrees up to the peak voltage of the 60 Hz sine wave.
Then at 280 degrees, the 2 caps are put in series and again discharged via the lamps back to the grid until around 340 degrees.
So again energy is returned to grid via the lamps as the load.

It is basically a very easy circuit, but you have to have the right timing and the right load impedance (lamp resistance in Ohm in this case),
so that the areas in the input power MATH trace above and
below the ground line are about equal.

So you minimize the real active input power and try to get the aparent input power
the same as the reactive input power. If you get it right, you will only have reactive input power
and almost no Real active input power. Thus a COP of about 50 as they have shown at the conference can be real !

Great circuit !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2014, 05:06:36 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2014, 05:24:05 AM »
From the scopeshots you can also see, that the timing is 5 milliseconds/DIV and
that one cycle is about 16.6 milliseconds long, which is exactly 60 Hz AC !
So they are just using the normal 60 Hz sine wave from the grid, probably via
a Variac or isolating transformer, so that is why they wrote the label on the scopeshot
as Transformer output.
But they meant the input power from the grid...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2014, 05:41:22 AM »
From the scopeshots you can also see, that the timing is 5 milliseconds/DIV and
that one cycle is about 16.6 milliseconds long, which is exactly 60 Hz AC !
So they are just using the normal 60 Hz sine wave from the grid, probably via
a Variac or isolating transformer, so that is why they wrote the label on the scopeshot
as Transformer output.
But they meant the input power from the grid...

Regards, Stefan.

Line frequency was never in question. 

Are we to assume that no change in I or V phase occurs between the actual AC line input and the output of the variac and/or transformer used?  Has anyone stated that this is indeed the case?

Just curious...

PW

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I would have thought that the AC line input measurements would have been taken directly at the AC line.  Hooking up the input power analyzer at the AC line would not have given anything away regarding switching.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2014, 06:03:08 AM »
In a production unit you would not need any isolating transformer or Variac, so
this is no issue....


The Wattmeter and the scope traces don´t lie !
Again look at the left lower red MATH trace.
It shows just reactive power going in ( only 1.1 Watts Active power)

You basically charge up 2 caps in parallel and discharge them in series
to the grid at the right timing.
So you take power and give power back with the right timing.


As you need only around 1 Watts of real input power, it is now easy to build
a 60 Hz sine wave oscillator only needing 1 Watts of input power and
use this to drive this Babcock Murrray circuit and then do a feedback circuit instead of the lamps
and get a selfrunning system.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2014, 06:03:44 AM »

Hi Stefan,
 Thanks

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2014, 06:21:28 AM »
The Wattmeter and the scope traces don´t lie !


I agree!  It is very likely that the wattmeter and scope are faithfully indicating the waveforms and calculated power as measured at the output of the variac and/or transformer used.

I was just curious as to what those waveforms and power measurements looked like at the actual AC line input.

No problem...

PW

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2014, 06:23:50 AM »
Yes, you've figured it out Stefan!  It's an electronic version
of the Old Ponzi scheme.  An illusion.

All of the power dissipated by the load is in fact coming
from the grid.

This is perhaps why non-sinousoidal loading of the grid is
carefully scrutinized by the power companies.  They are
well aware that it is possible to "electronically" fool their
meters.

Small loads will probably not attract their attention but
big loads certainly would.  Spikes and harmonics on the
power grid are a sure sign to them that something is amiss.

They'll want their pound of flesh as compensation.

 

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