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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 204583 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #315 on: August 17, 2014, 09:55:45 PM »
Like water off a ducks back ! Gotta keep ya eye on the ball ! Don't listen to the crowd heckling and don't let an unfair ref get you're back up ! Easy.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #316 on: August 18, 2014, 06:42:54 AM »


Don't forget that when switched, the load will run on the differential voltage between input source voltage and the cap voltage. It will not see the source voltage.

I don't think it is imperative to buy the video. Of course it helps, but enough has already been discussed here and elsewhere to understand the basic concept which, once understood, is quite simple.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #317 on: August 18, 2014, 07:17:59 AM »
If those guys are claiming COP 20 for a black box with some kind of AC signal at the input, and some kind of AC signal at the output into some kind of a load, then proper measurements of the input voltage and current and output voltage and current are the bare minimum requirements.  Typically you would use a DSO to do the instantaneous power measurements and then average them over several cycles.  If the bandwidth in the signals is low enough (and I believe they are), you can do it with a cheap USB-style scope that you connect to a home computer.

The goal is to measure the average power input and average power output.  It's the same standard technique for any similar proposition.  It doesn't matter what kind of circuit is inside the black box.  And many participants in the thread on EF seem to be actively resisting this, when in fact they should be encouraging this.  It boggles the mind sometimes.

Also, this proposition is not much different than many other propositions that have been seen over the years.  But Aaron thought that it was a good one to make money on.  So presumably he cut a deal with the two guys and they made a DVD.  It's like a vampire bat feeding on the blood of a cow at nighttime.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #317 on: August 18, 2014, 07:17:59 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #318 on: August 18, 2014, 08:20:32 AM »
There may be much more than what is presently believed
to this device.  Apparently much more than simply charging
and discharging capacitors or inductors at critical points
repetitively within each cycle of Input (well timed periods
of Taking then Giving Back) Voltage and Current.

What would it take to perfect the illusion of being able to
return to the Source nearly all of the power extracted by
the load;  in such a way that power measurement devices
are incapable of recognizing the illusion?

Is it a scheme of high speed extraction and return of energy
for very brief periods multiple times during the duration of
each Input Cycle?

Obviously, whatever is taking place to produce the "Magic"
is quite complex and at a considerably higher frequency than
the power line.  Why else would the device need electronic
switches which are capable of nanoSecond speeds?

It is a very clever scheme, to be sure.  Playing Ponzi on the
Source with what appears to be reliability.

Miles Higher,

"Trash Talk" is a Man thing.  Although it may seem "unfriendly"
it generally isn't.  You'd have to have been a Sailor or a Soldier
(or a Grunt) who's been through Dire Straits with trusted
companions to appreciate its purpose.  It is a Test.

Theo Ap is a colorful guy and I can't see any evidence that he's
mis-interpreting the various sources he's presented.  Fascinating
possibilities!

Erron, on the other hand, is a crybaby and his 'trash talk' is truly
pathetic as you've correctly noted.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #319 on: August 18, 2014, 09:07:26 AM »
Some questions need to be asked directly of the guys who claim this stuff not through Aaron as a third party.

1) The output says VA.
2) The current trace shows double the Line frequency I think not 4 x as the picture says but the effect would be similar.
3) The Math trace on the input transformer side we see the part under the line as returned power that also powered the globes,
that is not true as that power was put "out of phase and does not contribute to the load power (output).
4) There is no Voltage trace on the input side scope shot, this means we cannot see the voltage to current phase relationship.

Starting to look a bit more amateurish to me.
..
Even the dynaflux thing just takes power from the motor as well as flyback and returns it to the capacitor bank by the looks of it.
It only takes one dishonesty to be proven while they maintain honesty to totally ruin their credibility.
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P.S. Oh and as well as that the current, voltage and the power trace are not symmetrical on the output trace, but they are symmetrical on the input trace, shots taken quite some time apart !!!!.
Could there be an offset at play as well (icing on the cake) ?
..

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #319 on: August 18, 2014, 09:07:26 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #320 on: August 18, 2014, 01:24:36 PM »


Obviously, whatever is taking place to produce the "Magic"
is quite complex and at a considerably higher frequency than
the power line.  Why else would the device need electronic
switches which are capable of nanoSecond speeds?



Hi Sea Monkey,
It is not necessary to use high frequency ,you can use the same frequency of the grid but you need to use only a half wave in the input. 1-0-1-0-1 . The results will vary every time the point of resonance of the inductor change. Why people always take the harder path?




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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #321 on: August 18, 2014, 10:38:16 PM »
The FTW QEG produces the "Batman waveform".... and it looks like those folks are producing the "Batman and Robin" waveforms!

Err-on is a notorious scope abuser from way back. Are those traces that he presented?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #322 on: August 19, 2014, 12:24:57 AM »
Quote from: nelsonrochaa
Hi Sea Monkey,
It is not necessary to use high frequency ,you can use the same frequency of the grid but you need to use only a half wave in the input. 1-0-1-0-1 . The results will vary every time the point of resonance of the inductor change. Why people always take the harder path?

There may be several ways to pull off the illusion
but some would be readily visible to certain monitoring
equipments.

In order to make the illusion as fool-proof as possible
it may be necessary to resort to a more complex
methodology.  As an example of the benefits of high
frequency switching:  Modern Pure Sine Wave Inverters
(12 Volts DC to 120 Volts AC) make use of high speed
Pulse Width Modulation.  The end result is a Pure Sine
Wave.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #323 on: August 19, 2014, 09:15:44 PM »
Hi Farmhand,

Attached shows my load 2 x 50W bulbs, without switches or caps.

The current clamp is 10mA/mv so using the RMS readings about 39W developed in the load, which is what you would expect for 141V RMS input.

This is about 15V under the cap switching test voltage , the most the power amp will produced without clipping  under this direct load.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #323 on: August 19, 2014, 09:15:44 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #324 on: August 19, 2014, 09:41:29 PM »
Awesome, phase is dead on looks like, Are the bulbs brighter when powered directly ? Thanks for that.

I have some interesting results with a fluro powered by a tuned circuit that I didn't expect. My results in my opinion support the
theory that out of phase current can be made to be "in phase to power a load" and I get a similar result, in that the light lights up
but the input is small, and with my setup it indicates that the load doesn't consume as much power as would be normal.

Very interesting. I hope you see what I'm getting at. It's interesting and I think an explanation of exactly what is going on
would be good if we can get there.

This is a shot of the fluro (load traces) and the tank feeding it below, we can see the effect of the load on the tank.
But what does it all mean ? Free light ? Or do we pay to make the (activity) or reactive power so we can do it or does
the power company pay to make the reactive power so we can do it. I know what it cost me to light my fluro. The supply is
DC. I can use a battery and the input is the same and smooth.

Interesting, I've always just wanted an explanation. Why they cannot give it, if they know it is beyond me. Sales ?

Here's my experiment on my messy bench.  :-[ The CSR's I used were not appropriate so this is just a test nothing accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOHk_0IDZg

I see I'm paying for 3.8 Watts, but the tube isn't using that and it's lighting right up while the calculated power consumed
is only 0.5 Watt. We're on the same team guys, and we are allowed to disagree and collaborate. If we want.
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #325 on: August 19, 2014, 10:33:46 PM »
Attached is page 129 of the TPS-2024 scope being used for measurement in the presentation ppt.

This explains why the Math result for V X I is VA  not W.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #326 on: August 19, 2014, 10:59:28 PM »
Yes if it's just RMS V x RMS Amps then the power factor needs to be determined and applied to get the load power.
Do they rectify their output and run the globes from DC ?
The cost of running the generator should be included, see my post linked below.
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg415016/#msg415016

If there is something to this we need to nail it down by investigation. You're doing a very good job at that. Good Job !  :)

I need to keep my mind on my own experiments and go to a resistive load. Maybe an AC primary circuit and load switching later.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #327 on: August 19, 2014, 11:38:58 PM »
Hi Farmhand,

For the same input voltage the directly connected lamps were brighter.

No surprise there, as the power developed in the lamps diminishes as the caps charge.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #328 on: August 19, 2014, 11:47:38 PM »
Hi Farmhand,

They state in the presentation, that they rectified the output to the lamps (load).

Their negative half cycle charge current looks to be about 10% greater than the positive haf cycle, probably due to a difference between switches.

This shows up in the rectified current pulses.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #329 on: August 20, 2014, 12:27:57 AM »
Hi Farmhand,

The voltage across and current through the load are in phase, see attached scopp shot.

The other attached scope shot is interesting, as its the same as the first but averaged over many samples...note how the charge and discharge pulses average.

Barry

 

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