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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 203581 times)

Offline G4RR3ττ

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #195 on: July 23, 2014, 09:45:41 PM »
Excellent points Barry! Reactive power still has losses related to the I^2*R of the entire transmission system, generator, lines, transformers and all! Just because most home power meters in America don't measure reactive power doesn't mean you should intentionally put more reactive power on the grid because you can get away with it.

It would be interesting if you added a PFC circuit after the SERPS and see if the losses are the same as they were before (plus a little bit more for the PFC and SERPS circuit losses). If not, then this may make the circuit more viable, but certainly not "OU."

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #196 on: July 23, 2014, 10:10:58 PM »
Hi G4RR3ττ,I think several switching schemes would achieve the same end, and SERPS could be replicated by many experimenters without too many problems.

The main premise of SERPS is returning power to the generator... this concept holds water, as the power returned can be manifested as rotational energy. In this sense the generator and SERPS are a coupled system with improved power generation efficiency but not improved power distribution efficiency.
This concept lends itself to local power generation improvement, notwithstanding comments made about small generators.

Another line of thought would be how to use the concept in a solid state scheme, which would offer benefits for solar power generation performance. I mention this as Murray mentions using small toriods and high speed switching to replace the large input transformer.


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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #197 on: July 23, 2014, 10:46:38 PM »
I agree that the circuit converts restive loads into effectively reactive ones, and a generator can recover a portion of the returned electrical energy as mechanical momentum due to motor action, but does this really lend itself to a practical use for individuals? Utility companies may have uses for this concept in controlled applications, but they most certainly wouldn't want consumers adding harmonics and arbitrary amounts of reactive power for them to deal with--which is precisely why they charge for VAR use in industrial settings.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #197 on: July 23, 2014, 10:46:38 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #198 on: July 24, 2014, 02:01:24 AM »
Imagine instead of using the grid to power the SERPS circuit
to have a 60 Hz sine oscillator that sees all the
reactive power coming back.

If you design this sine oscillator right, you would probably only need
2 Watts of input power for it , when delivering 50 Watts at the load as in the case
of the SERPS device demo.

Well at least in my simulations you need at least 5 to 10 times more peak power
as the consumed power, so for 50 Watts output I would need around 250 to 500 Watts
peak power that oscillates back and forces between the Serps and the sine oscillator
but in the end it could be that you only need 2 Watts to run this 60 Hz sine oscillator
from the battery it is feeded off.

Well must be a pretty powerful sine oscillator for sure with a good
storage capacity of the oscillating energy...

Utilities probably don´t like the SERPS circuit cause it puts a tremendous
surge on their lines and power transformers,
cause the lines must stand the high reactive power and the transformers
must be able to handle the big currents in it....and I^2xR losses..

So the only usefull setup for the SERPS unit will be a
standalone generator, who can handle the huge reactive power cycling back and forth
or a special 60 Hz sine oscillator as above described.

Regards, Stefan.

« Last Edit: July 24, 2014, 04:52:48 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #199 on: July 24, 2014, 09:04:56 PM »
Once again the simulator will not allow me to set the switching arrangement required but this result shows 320W real for 831W reactive.

Barry

$ 1 4.9999999999999996E-6 13.097415321081861 47 5.0 50
v 400 448 400 320 0 1 50.0 177.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
T 464 352 560 416 0 0.11 1.0 3.3954918443849547 1.7033270709454484E-5 0.9999
w 464 320 464 352 0
w 464 416 464 448 0
w 560 352 560 320 0
r 592 320 688 320 0 24.0
w 560 416 560 448 0
p 560 416 560 352 0
l 560 448 720 448 0 0.13 1.7033270709898574E-5
c 880 352 880 416 0 1.9999999999999998E-5 111.9773684933316
159 752 320 688 320 0 0.1 1.0E10
w 832 320 880 320 0
w 880 320 880 352 0
w 832 448 880 448 0
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w 800 272 928 272 0
w 832 448 768 448 0
w 592 320 560 320 0
w 800 272 752 272 0
w 752 320 832 320 0
w 720 448 768 448 0
w 752 272 720 272 0
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #199 on: July 24, 2014, 09:04:56 PM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #200 on: July 24, 2014, 10:12:19 PM »

Once again the simulator will not allow me to set the switching arrangement required but this result shows 320W real for 831W reactive.

Barry

$ 1 4.9999999999999996E-6 13.097415321081861 47 5.0 50
v 400 448 400 320 0 1 50.0 177.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
T 464 352 560 416 0 0.11 1.0 3.3954918443849547 1.7033270709454484E-5 0.9999
w 464 320 464 352 0
w 464 416 464 448 0
w 560 352 560 320 0
r 592 320 688 320 0 24.0
w 560 416 560 448 0
p 560 416 560 352 0
l 560 448 720 448 0 0.13 1.7033270709898574E-5
c 880 352 880 416 0 1.9999999999999998E-5 111.9773684933316
159 752 320 688 320 0 0.1 1.0E10
w 832 320 880 320 0
w 880 320 880 352 0
w 832 448 880 448 0
w 880 448 880 416 0
w 800 272 928 272 0
w 832 448 768 448 0
w 592 320 560 320 0
w 800 272 752 272 0
w 752 320 832 320 0
w 720 448 768 448 0
w 752 272 720 272 0
w 720 272 720 304 0
w 656 512 928 512 0
w 928 512 928 272 0
R 656 512 608 512 1 2 200.0 2.5 2.5 2.2689280275926285 0.4
r 464 448 400 448 0 0.01
w 400 320 464 320 0
o 0 32 0 35 179.79859685352167 14.383887748281737 0 -1
o 0 32 1 291 1757.6744692288928 6.103515625E-55 1 -1
o 9 32 0 34 574.0653476371273 2.8703267381856366 2 -1
o 9 32 0 33 214.30172143725346 8.572068857490141 2 -1
o 5 64 1 35 559.9361855444511 9.765625E-105 3 -1
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/134930-ustanovka-ruslana-kulabuxova.html?start=468#229933

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #201 on: July 24, 2014, 10:37:19 PM »
Hi X_Name41,

So same waveform as kapanadze device!

Well an inductor could be used to store the energy in SERPS instead of a capacitor, so perhaps that is the principle of the Kapanadze device.

Barry

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #201 on: July 24, 2014, 10:37:19 PM »
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Offline Farmhand

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #202 on: July 24, 2014, 10:42:19 PM »
If we think in terms of energy then we can say that if we use a sine wave inverter powered by a battery with the SERPS device then
if it worked as claimed the light bulbs would be dissipating over 50 Joules of energy per second but the battery would be supplying
only 1.1 Joules of energy to the load, that is disregarding inverter "idle" losses.

Obviously this would be breaking the conservation of energy laws. But don't they claim it isn't ?

We must remember it is actually energy that the light dissipates, the power is consumed to transfer the energy.

So I'm gathering they claim the extra energy is in the current not the power (which I don't get). But then they keep referring to
reactive "power". I don't get how the current can be caused without the consumption of voltage, the current is always the same
throughout the entire current loop. It's the voltage that gets dropped. Potential energy is lost because real energy is dissipated.

To me the actual claims are very vague. I just hope that in several years time the claims are lived up to. By that time they would
have made some money from it.

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The long and the short of it is this as I see it.

1) Big claims are made that we all want to be true.
2) No device is available to buy.
3) There is no open sourcing of the schematic diagrams.
4) The only thing available from them is books/videos to buy that contain no technical information.

Therefore there is no real way to prove or disprove their claims as we cannot replicate because we do not have sufficient
information and never will unless it is provided by the claimants.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #203 on: July 25, 2014, 02:11:38 AM »
Long ago I made a sine wave oscillator, I posted on this site.

http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=86492

This was to me reactive resistant. I never could never understand why my amplifier was failing even with low current, it came to my conclusion that coils and fast switch is not useable.

It is not very efficient, quite expensive, double rail. I never could get a good stable sine with virtual ground methods.

What advantage this has over a regular generator, I dont know if it has for such low frequency, but its there for a try.

Unfortunately I dont have the email anymore of that site and dont rememebr my pass.

Can somebody access the site and post the sine wave shaper and amplifier.

Many methods for sine, microcontroller DDS or Switched filter capacitors can be used as an sine maker with 100x divider and clock source, then lowpass, then amplifier. Then use middle tap transformer.

There is not many topologies for ac generation and step up via transformer. What do high tech sine inverters use ?? PWM method ?

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #203 on: July 25, 2014, 02:11:38 AM »
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #204 on: July 25, 2014, 05:08:14 AM »

Concerning your inquiry about bi-directional switches. My company has specifically developed a high-speed solid-state relay specifically for Free energy researchers and experimenters who are working on projects like this one. We also have a bunch of other bench tools that we are developing and are currently in the process of setting up a distribution website to offer these products to the FE community.

If anyone is interested, attached is the datasheet for our SSR boards. I'll share the website link soon with everyone once our site is ready to launch in a week or so. Also, the datasheet contains an application notes section with lots of example circuits and switch protection methods which may be useful for those who want to work with high-speed switching circuits.

- Jason O

Hi Jason,

I would be interested in your switch. Please email me: gotoluc2@gmail.com when you have them available.

Thanks

Luc

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #205 on: July 25, 2014, 02:36:01 PM »
Hi Jason,

I would be interested in your switch. Please email me: gotoluc2@gmail.com when you have them available.

Thanks

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #206 on: July 25, 2014, 04:09:52 PM »
Thanks for sharing wings

Luc

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #207 on: July 27, 2014, 12:13:56 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/14607/cop-20-00-2000-times-reactive-power-energy-source-generator/msg410990/#msg410990
waveform of the resonant circuit at the short circuit in the secondary coil :)

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #208 on: July 27, 2014, 02:45:03 PM »

Take a look at this thread


http://www.control.com/thread/1307586278

The general opinion amongst this group (with no connection to SERPS or any other energy saving focus), is on a distributed power generation system, there is no reduction in prime move fuel comsumption due to a reactive load due to the extra losses though the transmission system which are in proportion to the square of the current and reduction in generator efficiency when running at a PF below 0.8
The real losses are due to the increased current in the transmission line in both directions.

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #209 on: July 27, 2014, 05:58:02 PM »
I think this post is more typical of the general opinion there.

And of course logic tells us that ie. if I wanted to power an inductive load with an output power of 1 kW and the
power factor is 0.5 then I would need a generator with over 2 KVA rating, but if the load has a power factor of 1.0
then I would only need a little over 1 kW rating, this is an increased expense to begin with, then the current portion
of the VAR cause losses in the line resistance ect. as stated below. We should imagine a reactive device as if we
intend to power it ourselves with our own generator of AC.

Just imagine having to fuel a 5 Kw generator to get a power output of 1 kW in a bad case scenario.

Even worse imagine the generators they would need if every household ran at a power factor of 0.1. That would not
be sustainable for the energy companies and so they would have no choice but to charge for reactive power or factor
the cost of the reactive power production losses and increased overheads into the power bills, maybe with a rebate if
you show a good power factor. The worse your power factor the more you should wear the costs of it, that's fair.

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Prasad: remember, current does not "contain" MW.

Watts are produced when current flows thru a resistance and all generators, bus work, transformers etc have some unless they are superconducting. So when current flows thru a resistance, watts are produced in the form of heat in an amount equal to I-squared-R. Those watts dissipate energy which must have come from somewhere. In this case, "somewhere" is your generator which converted mechanical energy into electrical energy. Your generator received the mechanical energy from the conversion of thermal energy in your turbine, therefore the turbine must have burned more fuel. So increased reactive power generation increases fuel consumption.

The law of conservation of energy always applies

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