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Author Topic: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,  (Read 279764 times)

forest

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2014, 08:24:28 AM »
I know nothing about reactive power but ...I believe it is resonant power trying to escape every way it could. Second , I found very interesting information that reactive power IS USED to keep stable voltage at the end of the transmission line which means it may be related to standing wave resonance.

synchro1

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2014, 05:26:06 PM »
@Forest,

That's correct. Every power engineer masters the vector formula conceived of by Nicola Tesla. Reactive Power has to be generated and fed into the transmission line in proper amounts determined by the cosine for the (S) Apparent power leg of the triangle. (See below). The COSINE is the phase angle of the power factor. The (Q) Reactive Power signal see saws between the source and load while the high voltage current directs itself in tandem towards the load. Reactive Power is merely a carrier signal, and can do no work. It is needed to help the high voltage travel in the transmission line, and costs money to generate.

The video track shows the narrator discussing Maxwell, and his equations concerning electrical and magnetic fields. Then he goes on to say that people learned that current itself generated power. This was explained by Lorentz: The electrons bend when Reactive Power passes the voltage at 180 degrees. This creates magnetic fields around the electrons, like a partial loop in a coil. The fields intersect and power is generated on the Reactive side. This extra power has to be bled off, and is closely metered and disposed of. That's why the narrator goes on to explain that Tesla forecast that the transmission line grid could deliver 1000 times more power, for the same input cost, if Reactive Power line output were looped back into the grid. The OU Reactive Power factor for 400KV at the proper Power Factor Cosine is 37% in the transmission line from the Lorentz force. This is exactly what the experimenters are succeeding at in the video

Farmhand mentioned that the fact that the narrator mentioned Tesla a few times spoke "Volumes" about the hoax nature of the demonstration. This is absolute nonsense from a guy who uploaded a few videos and acts like some kind of savant.

synchro1

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2014, 06:26:50 PM »

The power generated in the line by Lorentz force is termed "System Gain": From A.C. power wikipedia:

Generator_MVARs + System_gain + Shunt_capacitors = MVAR_Demand + Reactive_losses + Shunt_reactors

"The ‘System gain’ is an important source of reactive power in the above power balance equation, which is generated by the capacitive nature of the transmission network itself".

The video demonstrates "System Gain" on a test bench!

synchro1

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2014, 07:05:15 PM »

PDF from member avalon; The Stepanov Reactive Power Transformer COP 9.4:

Farmhand

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2014, 10:10:09 PM »
OK the patent application EP2429071 makes this disclosure and these claims below.

Quote
Disclosure of Invention
[0004] The technical result produced by the claimed
invention is that a single direct current source increases
significantly the continuous operation time thereof to the
length of the service life of the battery
.

Quote
Claims
1. A rechargeable autonomous power supply in a single
storage battery comprising a direct current source
and an inverter
having its output connected, via a
bridge rectifier, in parallel to a real load, said power
supply further having a second bridge rectifier, a
matching transformer, and two electronic transistor
switches with a control system, a diode, and a capacitors,
the input of the second bridge rectifier being
connected in parallel to the secondary winding of the
matching transformer that has its primary winding
connected in series to the inverter output and the
input of the first bridge rectifier having its output connected
in parallel to the capacitor and, via one electronic
switch, to a load with a capacitor, the output
of the second bridge rectifier being connected to the
capacitor and, via the second electronic switch and
diode, to the direct current source, and the control
electrodes of the transistor switches being connected
to the control circuit.

Now call me suspicious but I see a pattern, guy makes patent application which shows energy returned to the battery or in the case of Tariel he showed a supply disconnect switch and claimed it could power itself.

Using the patent application as some kind of validation they proceed to claim any number of devices that can self run and produce excess power, in Tariel's case he makes money with dodgy demo's where no one can check anything out, and takes investors money I guess. Who knows what Stepanov's angle is. I don;t think it helps anything for a lot of people to declare what he shows is legit and promote it without any real proof.

So we can see the patent application does not claim free energy, it only appears to, to some people. However I don't think it is as novel as he thinks it is.

As far as the demo with the light bank goes, he made a point to show there was no extra wires to the actual bank of load bulbs but made no effort to identify all wires into the box or the meters.

Simply put a video is good if all is shown and it makes some sense. But if the video raises more questions than it answers then it is not much to go on.

synchro1

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2014, 12:18:55 AM »
@Farmhand,

What do you make of this German Certificate of Measurement reporting a COP of 9.4 from Stepanov's transformer? A sneaky wire like the one you imagine would have been noticed by the inspector, don't you think?
« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 04:09:16 AM by synchro1 »

avalon

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2014, 09:22:08 AM »
OK the patent application EP2429071 makes this disclosure and these claims below.

Now call me suspicious but I see a pattern, guy makes patent application which shows energy returned to the battery or in the case of Tariel he showed a supply disconnect switch and claimed it could power itself.

Using the patent application as some kind of validation they proceed to claim any number of devices that can self run and produce excess power, in Tariel's case he makes money with dodgy demo's where no one can check anything out, and takes investors money I guess. Who knows what Stepanov's angle is. I don;t think it helps anything for a lot of people to declare what he shows is legit and promote it without any real proof.

So we can see the patent application does not claim free energy, it only appears to, to some people. However I don't think it is as novel as he thinks it is.

As far as the demo with the light bank goes, he made a point to show there was no extra wires to the actual bank of load bulbs but made no effort to identify all wires into the box or the meters.

Simply put a video is good if all is shown and it makes some sense. But if the video raises more questions than it answers then it is not much to go on.

Once again, you are looking at / quoting a wrong patent. The one that you need to read is titled 'Resonant transformer'.

~A

synchro1

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2014, 03:52:42 PM »
Here's a schematic of Stepanov's transformer from his patent:

hartiberlin

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2014, 08:04:55 PM »
It seems this Murray 2000 % device is pretty easy to do.

You only have to make sure that you run your load via a capacitor that is charged and discharged from the grid
AC potential.
ANd then you just switch the current so the input power always stays reactive or the input power
always go negative all the time.

So in simple words it is just a RLC phase shifter with switching integrated .

Have a look like it is explained here. Makes a lot of sense.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16966-cop-20-0-2000-demonstration-2.html#post256412

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2014, 12:36:30 AM »
Here are 2 scopeshots of the Math function of the device from Babcock/Murray from the recent
Bedini Conference:

http://energyscienceconference.com/?attachment_id=208

There you can see, that the input power into the circuit, ( the lower red Math function on the left)
is mostly pure reactive, as the areas over the ground line are equal to the amount of area below the ground line...
So power is going into the circuit and coming out of the circuit....

If you look at the waves at the lamp at the right side you see, that there are the waves just switched in polarity so
the power at the lamps are real and not reactive.

So the currents that generate the Watts that are dissipated at the lamps , are going back again to the grid and
reduce there the input power...

So the input power is oscillating back and forth between the powerstation and your circuit and is not used up, but
And only using an LCR phase shift and the right polarity switching.

Pretty easy principle, but you first need to realize this...

Regards, Stefan.

P.S:

Here are a few pics from Jim Murray and Paul  Babcock's presentation on the SERPS showing COP 50.0 (5000%) -  Jim Murray & Paul Babcock SERPS COP 50.0 (5000%) Presentation | 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference (http://energyscienceconference.com/2014/07/09/jim-murray-paul-babcock-serps-cop-50-0-5000-presentation/)

hartiberlin

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2014, 01:03:41 AM »
If you look at the complex pointers arroy diagramm
http://www.overunity.com/14607/cop-20-00-2000-times-reactive-power-energy-source-generator/dlattach/attach/138224/

to produce 52.7 Watts at the lamps you need to supply at least then about 55 Watts of
Aparent power and also about 53 Watts of reactive power , while the real active input power is
only 1.1 Watts...

To produce 55 Watts of aparent power with about 53 Watts of reactive power you don´t need much
power, just a low power LC circuit on its own resonance frequency with some feedback transistor circuit...
As the Babcock/Murray circuit delivers all the AC current back that is feeded into it, the load on the driver
LC circuit will not be big and thus the power only oscillates back and forth...You only
need to use low loss wires, so bigger diameter stranded of litz wire copper cables with low I^2R losses...

Regards, Stefan.

TinselKoala

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2014, 05:00:29 AM »
Well, if you believe that indicates real OU performance, then you really should award the Overunity Prize... to me, based on the device and measurements I showed in the QEG thread. Because I am measuring the same kind of power in basically the same manner.
And after all, mine is battery powered and fits inside a small box, too.

Electrical devices that take electrical input and produce electrical output can most definitely be self-looped if they produce a _real_ COP of about 135 percent. If someone claims a COP of 9 or 20 or something silly like that from a device with electrical inputs and outputs, but cannot self-loop it... you can know _for sure_ that it is a mismeasurement or misinterpretation of measurement.

havuhung

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2014, 07:08:04 AM »
Hi All,
How to have a complete schematic for renewable and testing this device?

Regards

Farmhand

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2014, 08:20:09 AM »
If you look at the complex pointers arroy diagramm
http://www.overunity.com/14607/cop-20-00-2000-times-reactive-power-energy-source-generator/dlattach/attach/138224/

to produce 52.7 Watts at the lamps you need to supply at least then about 55 Watts of
Aparent power and also about 53 Watts of reactive power , while the real active input power is
only 1.1 Watts...

To produce 55 Watts of aparent power with about 53 Watts of reactive power you don´t need much
power, just a low power LC circuit on its own resonance frequency with some feedback transistor circuit...
As the Babcock/Murray circuit delivers all the AC current back that is feeded into it, the load on the driver
LC circuit will not be big and thus the power only oscillates back and forth...You only
need to use low loss wires, so bigger diameter stranded of litz wire copper cables with low I^2R losses...

Regards, Stefan.

The problem is Stefan that the 55 Watts apparent power includes the 53 Watts reactive power and the power consumed by the
lamps is real power as soon as it powers a load, so the output (real power) is 52.7 or 53 Watts dissipated by the load and the
reactive power is that which is returned to the grid.

Remember "energy" is actually what is dissipated by the load and if energy is dissipated then power is consumed and it takes
energy to furnish that power.

Somewhere there is a mistake or it's a con. All real and reactive power in a grid powered device is supplied by the grid and if that
reactive power is not returned to the grid then it is paid for or stolen.

If these systems are meant to free us from the grid then why do they always use the grid ? It makes no sense.

If you do the search below and click on the link to the "Alternating Voltage Control Apparatus" PDF it shows a system I think is very similar and likely superior.

Having said that, if they actually show any real over C.O.P. =1.0 performance then I'll use it if I can. I'm waiting but not for them
to show OU, I'm waiting for several years to pass with nothing coming of it.

..

forest

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Re: COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2014, 12:10:00 PM »
If you look at the complex pointers arroy diagramm
http://www.overunity.com/14607/cop-20-00-2000-times-reactive-power-energy-source-generator/dlattach/attach/138224/

to produce 52.7 Watts at the lamps you need to supply at least then about 55 Watts of
Aparent power and also about 53 Watts of reactive power , while the real active input power is
only 1.1 Watts...

To produce 55 Watts of aparent power with about 53 Watts of reactive power you don´t need much
power, just a low power LC circuit on its own resonance frequency with some feedback transistor circuit...
As the Babcock/Murray circuit delivers all the AC current back that is feeded into it, the load on the driver
LC circuit will not be big and thus the power only oscillates back and forth...You only
need to use low loss wires, so bigger diameter stranded of litz wire copper cables with low I^2R losses...

Regards, Stefan.

Good confirmation that there is no law of conservation of work. The same amount of ENERGY can do MUCH more work in some circumstances, limited only to the friction ! Limit the friction and you got apparent overunity and REAL MORE WORK DONE (compared to more wasteful methods)