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Author Topic: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!  (Read 208924 times)

Offline sarkeizen

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #375 on: June 10, 2014, 04:36:21 PM »
http://www.naturalnews.com/038985_universe_simulation_intelligent_design.html
Sorry.  Mr. Mike who's only advertised credential is "health ranger" is not qualified to have a useful opinion on such things.  His standard of evidence appears to be, based on the number of nonsense things he's endorsed so ridiculously low it seems that the only qualification for an article to be considered is that it's probably wrong and poorly defined.   Which is why I would assess Natural News credibility somewhere between an infinitesimal positive value and negative infinity.

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A new scientific paper published in arXiv and co-authored by Silas Beane from the University of Bonn reveals strong statistical evidence
As someone who knows a little about statistics I am always interested in strong statistical evidence.  So in your very qualified opinion what makes the evidence strong statistically?

If that's too tough try this one: 

You have said that this diagram: http://milesmathis.com/vel5.jpg contains both euclidean and non-euclidean geometry.  What in it is euclidean and non-euclidean?

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #376 on: June 10, 2014, 10:38:12 PM »
Sorry.  Mr. Mike who's only advertised credential is "health ranger" is not qualified to have a useful opinion on such things.  His standard of evidence appears to be, based on the number of nonsense things he's endorsed so ridiculously low it seems that the only qualification for an article to be considered is that it's probably wrong and poorly defined.   Which is why I would assess Natural News credibility somewhere between an infinitesimal positive value and negative infinity.
As someone who knows a little about statistics I am always interested in strong statistical evidence. 

So in your very qualified opinion what makes the evidence strong statistically?

Don't take Mr. Mike's word for it, do a google search.  The universe being pixelated and is a hologram is coming out of mainstream science, in which most subscribe to and hold so dearly to their hearts.  Where have you been?  The Universe is an Illusion, But Consciousness Isn't (video).  Scientists Confirm That Reality is an Illusion - Our 3D Universe Is A Hologram (video).  NASA Physicist Tom Campbell: "We Live in a Virtual Reality, PRESS START & Play the Game of Life (video).  Holographic Fractal Universe, by Nassim Haramein (video).  You have been bamboozled and hoodwinked!

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #377 on: June 10, 2014, 11:01:01 PM »
Pixelated Universe.

Interesting wording. Isn't that what quantumn mechanics is? Is somebody just starting to catch up?

Yes, MarkE and his minions are a little behind and need some catching up!  I doubt they will obtain the knowledge for their Spirit/Consciousness to escape from this matrix.  This will lead to their eternal damnation.

Scientists successfully implant artificial memory system -  Scientists working at the University of Southern California, home of the Department of Homeland Security’s National Center for Risk and Economic Analysis of Terrorism Events, have created an artificial memory system that allows thoughts, memories and learned behaviour to be transferred from one brain to another.   

Completely synthetic human bodies from SynDaver Labs (video).  Synthetic Brains - DARPA Building Robots With ‘Real’ Brains!  In summary, they have achieved immortality.  This will lead to a total enslavement of mankind under horrific conditions.  An environment so terrible, they will seek death and not find it, for death will elude them.

Revelation 9:6  During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

"The old has been made new again"

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #378 on: June 11, 2014, 02:12:31 AM »
Don't take Mr. Mike's word for it
I didn't but apparently I've stumbled upon another question that you can't answer.

You said that a particular paper had STRONG statistical evidence.   I simply asked the honest, clear and unambiguous question:

"What makes the evidence in that paper STATISTICALLY strong?"

...and you of course....went mute. :D (You can consider this me asking this question a second time, I've asked the other question something like fourteen times).

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #380 on: June 11, 2014, 03:04:47 AM »
I didn't but apparently I've stumbled upon another question that you can't answer.

You said that a particular paper had STRONG statistical evidence.   I simply asked the honest, clear and unambiguous question:

"What makes the evidence in that paper STATISTICALLY strong?"

...and you of course....went mute. :D (You can consider this me asking this question a second time, I've asked the other question something like fourteen times).

The Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin, or GZK cut off, is an apparent boundary of the energy that cosmic ray particles can have. This is caused by interaction with cosmic background radiation.  Beane and co's paper reveals that the pattern of this rule mirrors a computer simulation.  The energy level of cosmic rays "snaps to" the "resolution" of the universe in which we live.  The very laws of electromagnetic radiation, in other words, are confined by the resolution of the three-dimensional simulation we call a "universe."  The answer was provided prior to you asking the question.  Maybe you should take some time to try and wrap your mind around this.  Or, maybe you can ask Beane and co's why this is strong statistical evidence, since this is what their paper is revealing.  Do you have a mind of your own?  Or, do you need someone to do your thinking for you?

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #381 on: June 11, 2014, 03:05:38 AM »
Be prepared to Blow Your Mind!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMLPJqeW78Q

Hip-hop Universe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZWBzhRhPr4

Cosmic Zoom!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgfwCrKe_Fk


http://youtu.be/ISR4ebdGlOk?t=54s  not as good as they above...


flying around solar systems they have a drive that is FTL... so to go between two planets one can get to say 20c and that's still really really slow.... really gives one a feel for how big things are

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #382 on: June 11, 2014, 04:32:34 AM »
The Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin, or GZK cut off, is an apparent boundary of the energy that cosmic ray particles can have. This is caused by interaction with cosmic background radiation.  Beane and co's paper reveals that the pattern of this rule mirrors a computer simulation.
Your statement appears to be from "Huffpo" which is not exactly Physical Review.   Secondly it appears to be refrencing MIT's Technology Review.  Which is considerably more reserved in it's judgement.  Just like oh...I don't know... the paper itself.

My question remains though.  How is anything you describe statistical, strong or statistically strong.   So far you haven't mentioned anything to that effect.  Can you even describe to me what kind of evidence would be statistically strong?

So this will be the third time I've asked this question...and you are stumped.

A bonus question might be:  Why is it, so EASY for me to stump you on a question about your own ideas?

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #383 on: June 11, 2014, 05:06:30 AM »
Your statement appears to be from "Huffpo" which is not exactly Physical Review.   Secondly it appears to be refrencing MIT's Technology Review.  Which is considerably more reserved in it's judgement.  Just like oh...I don't know... the paper itself.

My question remains though.  How is anything you describe statistical, strong or statistically strong.   So far you haven't mentioned anything to that effect.  Can you even describe to me what kind of evidence would be statistically strong?

So this will be the third time I've asked this question...and you are stumped.

A bonus question might be:  Why is it, so EASY for me to stump you on a question about your own ideas?

Cry me a river!  You're just being difficult, for you have no rebuttals!  You will always find some reason which doesn't satisfy your questions.  Vladimir Putin has you pegged!  Through your false belief in your exceptionalism, it can only be you who is right.

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Vladimir Putin, President of Russia in speech before the Federal Assembly, 18 March 2014.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #384 on: June 11, 2014, 05:36:21 AM »
You're just being difficult
Isn't that an admission that I've stumped you with an exceptionally simple question?

As usual I'd like to know why you say what you say.  In this case I wonder why you consider something statistically strong.  I can find nothing statistical, strong or statistically strong about the paper you were referencing which you said quite clearly and without qualifiers presented evidence which was statistically strong.

Given that you refuse to provide any further information at all on seemingly incorrect statements you are making.  Aren't you just making an argument by assertion.? Is that ok for you but not ok for other people as you've implied?

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You will always find some reason which doesn't satisfy your questions.
Dude.  You said "X is statistically strong".  As someone who understands statistics I'd just like to know which statistics you are referring to and what makes them strong?  How is that, in any universe an unreasonable question?  Are we just to take you at your word?  Seems like that's what you're asking.

So for the fourth time..."What is statistically strong about the information presented in that paper?"

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #385 on: June 11, 2014, 06:33:16 AM »

So for the fourth time..."What is statistically strong about the information presented in that paper?"

The simulation was motivated by the progress in performing lattice QCD calculations involving the fundamental fields and interactions of nature in femto-sized volumes of space/time, and by the simulation hypothesis of Bostrom.  The simulation itself mirroring the GZK cut off as found in the universe is statistically strong.  Do you not understand all that goes into a simulation?  Do you not think it is statistically strong for a simulation to mirror a GZK cut off pattern as found in the universe?  You can not say I didn't answer the question.  It is more like you do not understand the answer.  I am confident an informed reader will agree the question has been answered.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #386 on: June 11, 2014, 06:54:30 AM »
LOL

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #387 on: June 11, 2014, 07:02:22 AM »
The simulation was motivated by the progress in performing lattice QCD calculations involving the fundamental fields and interactions of nature in femto-sized volumes of space/time
The paper you are referencing doesn't appear to have performed any simulation.  What they are talking about is a scenario which could, to some unspecified probability differentiate between real and simulated universes under some set of assumptions about both. 
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The simulation itself mirroring the GZK cut off as found in the universe is statistically strong.
Which simulation?  On what hardware was it run?  What was the positive-predictive value of the test? Or the software used for that matter? None of those things, which you normally find in papers about simulations are there.  By contrast if you've been tracking any of the papers arguing against entanglement in D-Waves adiabatic quantum computer.  In some cases they will simulate a quantum machine using a classical machine.  In most of those papers you'll find a number of the things I mention.   Hence there is nothing to suggest statistical strength by any metric.

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Do you not think it is statistically strong for a simulation to mirror a GZK cut off pattern as found in the universe?
That would depend on the likelihood of that happening and of course that would require a simulation to actually have been run.

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You can not say I didn't answer the question.
Well you're answer appears to be "because something happened".  However that appears to be without knowing the probability of it happening or if it happened at all.   So if you recall the question is: "What makes this statistically strong" and you can't tell me anything about the probability of an event or even if it happened.  So I'd say the question you've answered is: "Are you convinced?" which is fine but not what I asked. :D

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It is more like you do not understand the answer.
I confess that when someone provides no information about the probability of an event.  I do not understand how they construe something to be "statistically strong".   Can something be statistically strong but also unlikely in your (simulated) universe?

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I am confident an informed reader will agree the question has been answered.
So first you argue from assertion and now you seem to appeal to anonymous authority (or popularity)?

I'll rephrase the question a bit for it's fifth asking: Please tell me how the paper measures the probability of the event you claim they observed and to what the calculated the likelihood of their conclusion to be.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #388 on: June 11, 2014, 07:03:11 AM »
Well I personally believe in linear motion and curvilinear motion.  Any theoretical discrete steps in time and space are so far below our threshold of detection that we don't and can't factor them into our reality.  That is separate and distinct from all the quanta stuff.

And you can make parametric equations for lines and curves as a function of time!  The distance measured still works out.

Too many angels dancing on the head of the pin.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #389 on: June 11, 2014, 10:02:16 AM »



    I was wondering, in my pixelated world, would the tangent to my circle have to be
pixelated, then I thought probably most straight lines would be too!
                                           John.