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Author Topic: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!  (Read 207961 times)

Offline gravityblock

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #180 on: June 03, 2014, 04:39:28 AM »
LOL.   Somewhere your "mathematical rebuttals" were devoid of any math, or any actual data that supported your assertions.  We all know that you are playing a game for LULZ.  Do you think you are doing well?

I showed mathematically how those numbers were not dimensionless as TK wrongly asserted, and I also provided actual data and mathematics to where those numbers came from in order to back up my statements.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #181 on: June 03, 2014, 04:59:15 AM »
Just pointing out that you have avoided answering my question but of course you will demand that I answer yours, then perhaps lie a little or pretend that you have. 

I did not deliberately avoid answering your question, but instead took your advice to get your thesis in words before we began, as I previously did in the car race.  If you want to play the stupid card and say I didn't provide enough information for the race, then so be it.  However, I think most readers would disagree with you on this point.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #182 on: June 03, 2014, 05:08:34 AM »
Do you disagree with Mathis's statement of, "we can draw eight steps or 64 steps or an infinity of steps, and it will not change a thing?  If you disagree with his statement, then please show how the perimeter changes after each step.  Your method for finding the length of the arc is not applicable for a circular path with a time variable.

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Yes.  In the specific sense that it is meaningful to the problem at hand - which is measuring the arc.  You could apply the identical principle to the hypotenuse and end up with a contradiction to the pythagorean theorem.  However since we know the pythagorean theorem to be true by other means we know that this can not be a correct measure.  QED.

This is not what I asked you.  I asked you, "If you disagree with his statement, then please show how the perimeter changes after each step."  You once again try to take a circular path with a time element and turn it into a circle or an identical principle with no time element.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #183 on: June 03, 2014, 05:26:09 AM »
Define "dimensionless constant" using only the lemmas of ZF(C).

In the context of geometry, pi is assumed to be a dimensionless constant.  Pi transforms one length to another.  This is clear from the basic equation: C = 2πr.  You can see that pi takes us from one length to another and therefore is dimensionless.  Do you think pi is dimensionless in geometry? Do you think pi is dimensionless in the real world?  Do you think the circumference is only a length and/or only a distance in both geometry and in the real world?

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #184 on: June 03, 2014, 05:26:36 AM »
I showed mathematically how those numbers were not dimensionless as TK wrongly asserted, and I also provided actual data and mathematics to where those numbers came from in order to back up my statements.

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LOL.  Now in attempting to defend your silly assertions with respect to your empty assertions directed at me, you're referencing your empty assertions made some time ago to TK.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #185 on: June 03, 2014, 05:36:56 AM »
LOL.  Now in attempting to defend your silly assertions with respect to your empty assertions directed at me, you're referencing your empty assertions made some time ago to TK.

Please show where my rebuttal to TK's dimensionless argument were devoid of any math, and devoid of where the actual data came from.  I clearly showed how the original dimensionless numbers faded away and changed into units/dimensions.  Please show me otherwise, instead of asserting. 

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #186 on: June 03, 2014, 05:39:33 AM »
I did not deliberately avoid answering your question
Did you answer my question?  Nope.  Did you do so accidentally?  Nope.  Anything that is not accidental is deliberate right?

QED.
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instead took your advice to get your thesis in words
I asserted how the Mathless-Wonder used a technique which has a consequence which should be obviously incorrect to someone with high-school math.  You, without asking even a single question declared that I was a) Making an argument and b) that it was wrong.

(Worth noting that you without hearing any evidence at all considered the position to be false.  Don't you think that kind of outs you as someone who has zero capability to critically examine their own beliefs?)

So I asked you again and you avoided the question.  You're still avoiding it now.  Here I'll ask you again:  Do you think this is a CORRECT way to get the length of the arc?  Yes? No? Don't know?  Keep on avoiding that question. 

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as I previously did in the car race.
In the car race post you asked two questions. One was meaningless to me.  I told you so and the other was not put clearly enough for you and I to be talking about the same thing. Hence you did not get me to state my thesis in mutually agreed on terms.  Which, again if you read the relevant part of this thread.  You'll see that's what I was asking you to do and what you utterly failed to do for me. :D

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However, I think most readers would disagree with you on this point.
Which is, of course irrelevant.  The statement in contention was "Did you ask me questions to get me to state my thesis in mutually agreed on terms."   Clearly the answer is no.   There wasn't even a single round of you directly responding to my statements.   Just stop trying to rescue your ego or whatever nonsense is going on here.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #187 on: June 03, 2014, 05:41:10 AM »
In the context of...
Not what I asked.  Can you do what I asked or do you not know what I'm talking about?

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #188 on: June 03, 2014, 05:46:54 AM »
Did you answer my question?  Nope.  Did you do so accidentally?  Nope.  Anything that is not accidental is deliberate right?

Ok, I will answer your question in the same manner you have been answering my questions.

Yes.  In the specific sense that it is meaningful to the problem at hand - which is measuring the perimeter of a circular path with a time element.  Satisfied?  Now, if you are willing to proceed, you will answer this question for me by falling flat on your face.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #189 on: June 03, 2014, 05:55:02 AM »
Not what I asked.  Can you do what I asked or do you not know what I'm talking about?

It is you who is not doing what I ask.  Do you think pi is a dimensionless constant, or not?  Do you think the circumference is only a length and/or only a distance in both geometry and in the real world?  Please provide your definition of dimensionless, then answer the questions.  Or, do you not know what you are asking of me?  The thing is, you want to mix geometry that has taken the time element out of the equation and apply it to the real world which has a time element. 

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #190 on: June 03, 2014, 06:03:41 AM »
Yes.  In the specific sense that it is meaningful to the problem at hand - which is measuring the perimeter of a circular path with a time element.  Satisfied?
Nope.  The problem at hand was what the Mathless-Wonder stated, he makes no mention of a time element in that part of his argument.  In fact, if you read it you'll see he's refuting the way an ordinary person would reason.  However I think you can see that he is wrong.

So why not just admit it?  Is the Mathless-wonder somehow perfect?  Is he infallible?

He was wrong.  He was stupid.  He was an idiot.  It happens.



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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #191 on: June 03, 2014, 06:08:49 AM »
It is you who is not doing what I ask.
Man did I have you pegged.
Just pointing out that you have avoided answering my question but of course you will demand that I answer yours
It's always the same with you guys.  :D
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Do you think pi is a dimensionless constant, or not?
I asked you to define that in terms that are useful to me.  You have refused to do so and have refused to admit you don't understand. Why is that?

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #192 on: June 03, 2014, 06:10:43 AM »
Nope.  The problem at hand was what the Mathless-Wonder stated, he makes no mention of a time element in that part of his argument.  In fact, if you read it you'll see he's refuting the way an ordinary person would reason.  However I think you can see that he is wrong.

So why not just admit it?  Is the Mathless-wonder somehow perfect?  Is he infallible?

He was wrong.  He was stupid.  He was an idiot.  It happens.

The rectilinear path in the taxicab geometry correctly simulates a time element, and his rectilinear mathematical equations proves this.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #193 on: June 03, 2014, 06:12:54 AM »
The rectilinear path in the Manhattan path correctly simulates a time element
However again, if you READ the portion you'll see that he's not talking about a time element, in this part of his argument.

Sorry, it's just the facts.

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Re: The Holographic Universe and Pi = 4 in Kinematics!
« Reply #194 on: June 03, 2014, 06:19:08 AM »
However again, if you READ the portion you'll see that he's not talking about a time element, in this part of his argument.

Sorry, it's just the facts.

In the taxicab geometry, Pi = 4!  This and the rectilinear mathematical equations is evidence of a time element.  It doesn't matter if he's talking about a time element or not, since the taxicab geometry is evidence for there being a time element involved, which plane geometry doesn't take into account.

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