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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: hartiberlin on May 01, 2014, 02:32:10 AM
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Selfrunning looped QMOGEN 1 KWatt Motor-Generator EVIVA from Kiev, Ukraine. 5 KWatt unit is claimed to be developed right now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU)
Comments please.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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I've heard about these guys.
It looks really impressive. If it is, indeed, for real, I'd be very happy.
~A
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Is this backyard demo, lighting up some light bulbs and snipping wires, the new standard for testing OU mo-gens? Who needs meters anyhow. And laboratories are dangerous, people can get killed, or worse, in laboratories.
At least he has a realistic bank of batteries. You could almost imagine that horsepower motor running from a bank of sixteen old UPS batteries, couldn't you? And they are even Red.
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Thanks for sharing video.
A DC motor, an AC Generator, 4 types of Industrial Diode (~ 200A) on 4 pieces of aluminum cooling. On the video clip, I do not believe that that is what it can do! . . It's too hard to judge with the OU device !!!
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I've heard about these guys.
It looks really impressive. If it is, indeed, for real, I'd be very happy.
~A
Автор этих моторов кинул много людей на деньги, это фейк вне сомнения.
The author of these engines threw many people for money, this is fake beyond doubt.
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Автор этих моторов кинул много людей на деньги, это фейк вне сомнения.
The author of these engines threw many people for money, this is fake beyond doubt.
The common sense tells me that it is a fake too, but, regardless, I'd love to learn that there is something out there for real AND readily available for anyone.
~A
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Sounds pretty good. I'm not sure how much extra current would be available when you subtract what the motor needs to turn the generator though.
I have a better design idea that incorporates an added system into the mix, but I can't afford to build it at this time. Hopefully within 6 months or so I'll have a working model to test.
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Sounds pretty good. I'm not sure how much extra current would be available when you subtract what the motor needs to turn the generator though.
I have a better design idea that incorporates an added system into the mix, but I can't afford to build it at this time. Hopefully within 6 months or so I'll have a working model to test.
Hi rc3po,
I'm just curious bit with the idea of you just said. You can share your ideas?. .
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Hi rc3po,
I'm just curious bit with the idea of you just said. You can share your ideas?. .
I wasn't going to but, you know what, yes, I will since I'm a poor disabled guy.
I took a lot of heat from some jerks on another forum but I'll see what you guys/gals think.
Ok, it's a similar system, except between the motor and generator, we install a hydraulic system.
We know the mechanical advantage of a hydraulic system is X100: The overall efficiency formula for a Fluid Power Motor is: Overall efficiency = (Horsepower output/ Horsepower input)x 100.
So, a 1 HP motor powering a hydraulic system, should be able to turn a more powerful generator than the motor can directly as shown in the video, where he has the motor hooked directly to the generator.
You may not get 100 times more, but it should improve the power very much.
What do you guys & gals think?
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Hi rc3po,
Truly incomprehensible that the system will generate mechanical energy from the excess output versus input! Sorry you because I have not ever seen firsthand the magic! . . well so can not judge anything. . .
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Hi rc3po,
Truly incomprehensible that the system will generate mechanical energy from the excess output versus input! Sorry you because I have not ever seen firsthand the magic! . . well so can not judge anything. . .
No magic - just utilizing fluid pressure, that's all. I'll build a small model and see what I find out. If it doesn't pan out, then I'll just move on.
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I won't say it's fake but it could be given what was shown. Having the setup right next to the concrete on the dirt I noticed what appeared to be freshly patted down dirt along the edge of the concrete instead of seeing grass and weeds similar to the rest of the terrain. Which leaves open the possibility they ran wires along the edge of the concrete and covered them with dirt so they would have hidden wires that run to the bolts going into the dirt.
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I won't say it's fake but it could be given what was shown. Having the setup right next to the concrete on the dirt I noticed what appeared to be freshly patted down dirt along the edge of the concrete instead of seeing grass and weeds similar to the rest of the terrain. Which leaves open the possibility they ran wires along the edge of the concrete and covered them with dirt so they would have hidden wires that run to the bolts going into the dirt.
I don't think it is fake at all. I just don't believe the extra current the generator puts out after powering the motor is going to amount to a whole lot. If you could turn the generator with a much smaller motor then you would have more usable current for other devices.
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Автор этих моторов кинул много людей на деньги, это фейк вне сомнения.
The author of these engines threw many people for money, this is fake beyond doubt.
You need to give substantial reasons beyond just a statement, or you are expecting us to just believe YOU.
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You need to give substantial reasons beyond just a statement, or you are expecting us to just believe YOU.
No claimed QMoGen to date has ever been proven to work. None have been shown to violate conventional electrodynamics. The burden of proof remains squarely with those claiming such devices. It is the quality of evidence that matters, not the number of people making the claim. Over the past hundred and fifty years or so that people have been claiming these things, none have presented strong evidence that supports their claims.
Given that motors and generators are duals, you should ask yourself why there should be any need for both a motor and a generator. In order for the combination to be over unity, at least one must be over unity. If one is over unity then because of their duality in function the other should be over unity. If one is over unity there is no justification for the other device operating under unity.
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No claimed QMoGen to date has ever been proven to work. None have been shown to violate conventional electrodynamics. The burden of proof remains squarely with those claiming such devices. It is the quality of evidence that matters, not the number of people making the claim. Over the past hundred and fifty years or so that people have been claiming these things, none have presented strong evidence that supports their claims.
Given that motors and generators are duals, you should ask yourself why there should be any need for both a motor and a generator. In order for the combination to be over unity, at least one must be over unity. If one is over unity then because of their duality in function the other should be over unity. If one is over unity there is no justification for the other device operating under unity.
That's no argument. That's narrowmindedness.
Just because none have given strong evidence by getting product to market with thousands of customers, doesn't mean they aren't real. We now have 51 indipendent claims worldwide in 15 different countries. And more keep coming.
The evidence that it works is getting stronger every day.
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Selfrunning looped QMOGEN 1 KWatt Motor-Generator EVIVA from Kiev, Ukraine. 5 KWatt unit is claimed to be developed right now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU)
Comments please.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
Thanks for posting this. I'm linking up to it from http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Eviva_QMoGen
Could you give me any contact info for them? website? Youtube link where you got the video?
Thx
Sterling
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That's no argument. That's narrowmindedness.
Just because none have given strong evidence by getting product to market with thousands of customers, doesn't mean they aren't real. We now have 51 indipendent claims worldwide in 15 different countries. And more keep coming.
The evidence that it works is getting stronger every day.
Sterling, selling something that works is just one way to present strong evidence. I only require that someone making these claims present strong evidence. If anyone has a working machine there are multiple ways to produce such evidence. None ever do.
51, 510, or 500,000,000, it doesn't matter how many people make an outlandish claim. It matters only if any of them produce strong evidence of their claim. There are a whole lot more than 51 people from Nigeria and other hell holes sending out e-mails promising millions to their "trusted partner". Just like all 51 of the claims for QMoGens you refer to, they are all BS. They don't become less BS because more scam artists get in on the act.
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Dear Stefan
How I can contact with the builders in Kyiv (I am from Kyiv too)?
Respectfully, Anton
pure-energy.info
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Is there anybody out there?
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Here is another video allegedly of the same 'Evivia' type device. Go to 6:24 in the video. Notice how the camera man points to the grounding rod and is close to touching it when someone in the background shouts, and they quickly take their hand away...that indicates to me the 'grounding rod' is probably LIVE i.e. the device is fake. And the convergence of wires at 6:30 looks suspicious too, It appears to me to be a covered trench extending to the top left of the screen. Perhaps that is where the 'ground wire' actually connects to a 50hz/60hz mains and the ground rods are just a diversion.
See the attachments for my interpretation of the fake ground points and how they are actually for the live wire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amHKKlnUVSw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amHKKlnUVSw)
:o
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Is the short length of blue wire (at tip of red arrow) just a piece of scrap or a buried 'X' wire?
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I can see Marke s point. Why not one machine. I'm currently working on syairs flx gate gen or Weley gary machine depending on what you call it. It's just on a spinning axle so why can't I have one half gen the other half of the axle have the motor? ATM I'm running into known laws which I am trying to bend. Conservation of energy blah blah. If any of these devices are real it maybe because a motor is required to initially power the gen and then they've found a way to beat lenz law once the coils are collecting current and are shorted etc. if the inventors have got to that point they're at proof of concept. Maybe none of them have gone the next step?
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I find that this Eviva device's over emphasis on grounding, indicates that it's probably
fake. Especially with small gauge ground wires - is highly questionable.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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All we really need is a specification of the system.
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1. motor type
2. generator type
3. circuit
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4. Long extension cord.
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It would be pretty easy to produce a convincing demonstration, I think, _if_ the device were real. Any of us could do it, I'm sure. Well, almost, anyway.
For example, to address the issue of the ground connection being possibly a connection to the mains somehow, an observer could simply require the ground rod to be disconnected, and re-connected to a new ground rod pounded into the soil by the observer in an arbitrary location, perhaps suggested by a consensus of viewers during a live video chat.
One could also require that the wiring be made in a neat, easily seen manner rather than being draped all over the place, through debris on the ground, etc.
A genuine claimant with a real device would be happy to comply with such requirements, in real-time. Fakers will always oppose such openness, will always insist that such things can't be done for one reason or another, etc etc.
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Even if one could build a perfect system complete with magnetic bearings, 96% efficient motor/gen set, vacuum, and tuned RPM of total system to individual motor/gen phase it doesn't matter how many pulleys or flywheels you add. What a flywheel provides in mechanical capacitance requires in energetic exertion to gain the purchase of x ft/lbs over x duration. In other words all a flywheel in an electrical motor/gen set buys you is time, just like in an internal combustion engine. A pulley in a motor/gen set buys you more feet for less time, so more turns for less resistance.
Notice you rarely see someone willing to put their energy device in a video for 2.5 hrs running a load in corner of a white washed garage with no conduits what so ever? I would watch every minute. But it won't be there because as far as I can see there are some very simple laws being looked over in every electromechanical "OU" device out of hope which gives way to human delusion. The greatest energy delusion, one that I have fallen into twice is the idea that parametric oscillation in some way shape or form is representing un-exerted energy or free balance.
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Free electricity ? Over unity ? Amplidyne ? does it work ?
This is a clip from MissouriWindandSolar (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnaa_80Xxuoq0jNA68uddaw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwedoZZHadY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwedoZZHadY)
Published on Mar 8, 2014
First, let me say that we ran this for hours earlier. We checked all the voltages, 240 volts from each leg. off the generator. He was leaving and I asked him if he wanted to do a video, he said sure but he really needed to go.. We had no time to hook up all the meters again. Wyatt and I tested that machine all morning with our own meters. The load is the motor on the floor.
I realize the video was short and no volt meters were on it but I got what I got before he left. He was tired and didn't want to do it anyway.
He will be back and when we do it again it will be done right. If it's a scam Wyatt and I don't see it nor could I disprove what he showed us.
It's modeled after an amplidyne http://www.brighthubengineering.com/c... (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brighthubengineering.com%2Fcommercial-electrical-applications%2F122399-ge-amplidyne-motor-generator%2F&redir_token=yJ-exK0se4qH7QjYBfl3XhjQ5ql8MTQxODE1NzM4MkAxNDE4MDcwOTgy)
Missouri Wind And Solar website http://www.mwands.com (http://www.mwands.com)
Our facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missour... (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missouri-Wind-and-Solar/122310541038)
Missouri Wind and Solar
332 Cobblestone Drive
Seymour, Mo. 65746
ph# 1- 417-935-2145 or 1-417-935-2260 or 1-417-935-2281
email sales@mwands.com
sales associates
ben@mwands.com skype mws.ben 417-501-4004
mandie@mwands.com skype mws.mandie 417-233-0305
michael@mwands.com skype mws.michael 417-501-4064
Come into the store and see us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQUhN0J-TJs
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Free Energy Motor - Generator QMOGEN 1KWATT EVIVA unit from Kiev Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j860XSP2fU)
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Free electricity ? Over unity ? Amplidyne ? does it work ?
This is a clip from MissouriWindandSolar (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnaa_80Xxuoq0jNA68uddaw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwedoZZHadY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwedoZZHadY)
Published on Mar 8, 2014
First, let me say that we ran this for hours earlier. We checked all the voltages, 240 volts from each leg. off the generator. He was leaving and I asked him if he wanted to do a video, he said sure but he really needed to go.. We had no time to hook up all the meters again. Wyatt and I tested that machine all morning with our own meters. The load is the motor on the floor.
I realize the video was short and no volt meters were on it but I got what I got before he left. He was tired and didn't want to do it anyway.
He will be back and when we do it again it will be done right. If it's a scam Wyatt and I don't see it nor could I disprove what he showed us.
It's modeled after an amplidyne http://www.brighthubengineering.com/c... (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brighthubengineering.com%2Fcommercial-electrical-applications%2F122399-ge-amplidyne-motor-generator%2F&redir_token=yJ-exK0se4qH7QjYBfl3XhjQ5ql8MTQxODE1NzM4MkAxNDE4MDcwOTgy)
Missouri Wind And Solar website http://www.mwands.com (http://www.mwands.com)
Our facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missour... (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missouri-Wind-and-Solar/122310541038)
Missouri Wind and Solar
332 Cobblestone Drive
Seymour, Mo. 65746
ph# 1- 417-935-2145 or 1-417-935-2260 or 1-417-935-2281
email sales@mwands.com
sales associates
ben@mwands.com skype mws.ben 417-501-4004
mandie@mwands.com skype mws.mandie 417-233-0305
michael@mwands.com skype mws.michael 417-501-4064
Come into the store and see us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQUhN0J-TJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQUhN0J-TJs)
If my understanding is correct, an Amplidyne is essentially a current gain device with its modern equivalent in MOSFETs and IGBTs. Therefore the output is going to be of a higher current and therefore lower voltage. This is what is demonstrated in the video! No 'over unity' here folks.
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As usual, overunity claims are eventually busted - every time ;D
Vidar
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Go to the Milkovic 2SO thread. or search using "12 times" in overunity.com.
Look at reply 2826
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Two videos. One on cement, no buried wires. Ground rods being seen pounded into earth. No mains connection. How can this work if real?
240vac rms rectified to 339vdc. Is he over volting the motor? Is the motor trying to turn faster than rated rpm? Same motor and Generator both videos. Name plate removed in one. He's hiding the secret.
DC motor. Commutator=spark gap. Who else has over unity system with spark gap and good ground? Kapandzee, Don Smith, Ed Grey, TESLA.
I say, this is real. Only questions... Rpm needed by generator? Rpm of motor, higher, lower or same? Voltage needed by motor, higher, lower, same? Testing will answer. I have no money. No testing here.