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Author Topic: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.  (Read 261616 times)

Offline gurangax

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2014, 04:47:04 AM »
A wooden sliding cross bar does make scratching sound when sliding with the wheel. the crossbar can be the actual weights thus eliminating the need for extra weights. In his words are


β€œA wheel appears on the scene - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim. It revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind or springs.β€β€œIt turns to the right and the left; it spins around in either direction, laden or empty.”





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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2014, 04:47:04 AM »

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2014, 05:49:50 AM »

a testimony from the one who have seen the mechanism is this

Interior of the machine was a simple arrangement of weights and levers. - Prince Karl, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel, eyewitness account

so there you have it


Just a technicality gurangax - IIRC Karl never gave that descriptive "simple arrangement of weights & levers" - this appeared in a book by Frank Edwards & it is not known where he got the information - there is no confirmation from other sources so it is generally considered to be unreliable & poetic licence on his behalf.

Many of the quotes you are giving are subject to slight translation differences, but I accept that they are helping you frame the picture you want to paint.

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I feel I have to ask at this stage whether you are at the hypothesis & theory stage only ?

Or, have you conducted any sim or real world experiments that cause you such great confidence in a simple lever & weight solution to Bessler's mystery of his purported true PMM's ?

Thanks in advance !

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2014, 06:18:31 AM »
What about the testimony of Bessler's maid?

Something that is rarely mentioned here in discussions of Bessler is that he was a journeyman clockmaker before he found easier means of making his living.



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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2014, 06:18:31 AM »
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Offline gurangax

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2014, 07:00:35 AM »
Just a technicality gurangax - IIRC Karl never gave that descriptive "simple arrangement of weights & levers" - this appeared in a book by Frank Edwards & it is not known where he got the information - there is no confirmation from other sources so it is generally considered to be unreliable & poetic licence on his behalf.

Many of the quotes you are giving are subject to slight translation differences, but I accept that they are helping you frame the picture you want to paint.

.......................................

I feel I have to ask at this stage whether you are at the hypothesis & theory stage only ?

Or, have you conducted any sim or real world experiments that cause you such great confidence in a simple lever & weight solution to Bessler's mystery of his purported true PMM's ?

Thanks in advance !




My  investigations have led me to believe that it is as simple as they say it is. pulleys are not necessary but it is used to tune the machine to do its job more efficiently. the concept of this lost knowledge is the core of his gravity wheel which is a 2 stage leverage system. Knowing this concept alone will open ways to many other gravity wheel marvels. I found other ways to do it without the use of pulleys. I will discuss about this in proper time as I need more time to decide. The secret wont be revealed in just a day.


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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2014, 07:01:39 AM »
What about the testimony of Bessler's maid?

Something that is rarely mentioned here in discussions of Bessler is that he was a journeyman clockmaker before he found easier means of making his living.


I can assure you that Bessler is not a fraud.

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2014, 07:01:39 AM »
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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2014, 07:23:44 AM »
the organ musical instrument have many levers and pulleys built in it.

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2014, 07:59:36 AM »
What about the testimony of Bessler's maid?

TK .. Bessler's maid had recently been fired by Bessler for theft IIRC - so it's plausible that she was either in vindictive mind or in a frame of mind to be be persuaded to give false testimony, perhaps for financial gain - to put it in context, at that time there were three particular gentlemen quite peeved with Bessler & very vocal publicly about how he must be a fraud - reputations were literally at stake - btw, the maid also said the Bessler's brother Gottfried & Bessler himself were squirreled away taking turns turning the crank from adjoining rooms - Gottfried never admitted to any such thing in any trial proceedings, & of course Bessler denied it outright - there was no other corroberating evidence to the maids claim that I'm aware of.

In case you missed it, Bessler's first public demonstration was outside in a town square, IINM, which makes it hard to turn the device from a crank & handle thru the support & pinions etc, from a distance, without being seen - secondly in subsequent tests his wheels were closely examined & no sign of fraud was detected, including shafts & gears required to be hidden in the supports etc.

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Something that is rarely mentioned here in discussions of Bessler is that he was a journeyman clockmaker before he found easier means of making his living.

Bessler was a jack of many trades - accomplished in many skills including doctoring for hire - he also was a competent carpenter & able blacksmith amongst other things, as well as well traveled & learned, & musical.

The ONLY reference I have be able to find to his watch/clock making skills is a self passage in DT I think where he talks of sailing to England - on the voyage, to make some money, he makes two pocket watches for fellow passengers - he is quite dismissive about it taking only a couple of lines - clearly, he must have had access to materials & tools to make these watches, & he must have known the math etc - if it were something he could pick up & do on a whim then he was indeed a man of many skills & education - I have no doubt those skills, along with organ making came in use for making wheels, & he says so about the organ making skills.

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2014, 07:59:36 AM »
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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2014, 08:03:53 AM »
Why does it works? For a wheel to rotate by itself, the center of gravity for all the weights combined must be above the center or above the axle of the wheel. In other words, the weights must always be heavier at the top side. This is exactly how the wheel works, and the 2 stage leverage system is what made it to happen.

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2014, 08:22:42 AM »

The RAR device could well be a two lever device...

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/


In which case the sooner you give your insights full publicity the better....
else it will just be seen as a variant of RAR. Nobody remembers who
comes second.  :(

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2014, 08:22:42 AM »
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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2014, 09:24:34 AM »
The RAR device could well be a two lever device...

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/


In which case the sooner you give your insights full publicity the better....
else it will just be seen as a variant of RAR. Nobody remembers who
comes second.  :(


Grimer....Thanks for your helpful intentions. The link is written in Portuguese(?) that falls sadly incomprehensibly upon my solely English speaking ears and consists of seemingly 100s of large pictures that will take 1.98 thousand hours to open on my superslow computer rig.

I never bothered to learn exactly what a Two Lever Device is, to my lasting humiliation and shame. I believe I have One Lever Device pretty much figured out. Could you be generous and explain simply and briefly what a Two Lever Device is?

In advance, thank you very much.


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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2014, 09:38:43 AM »

Grimer....Thanks for your helpful intentions. The link is written in Portuguese(?) that falls clumsily upon my English speaking ears and consists of seemingly 100s of large pictures that will take 1.98 thousand hours to open on my superslow computer rig.

I never bothered to learn exactly what a Two Lever Device is, to my lasting humiliation and shame. I believe I have One Lever Device pretty much figured out. Could you be generous and explain simply and briefly what a Two Lever Device is?

In advance, thank you very much.


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Your question should be addressed to gurangax. He is the one who introduced the term into this thread.




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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2014, 09:38:43 AM »
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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2014, 09:45:03 AM »
The RAR device could well be a two lever device...

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/


In which case the sooner you give your insights full publicity the better....
else it will just be seen as a variant of RAR. Nobody remembers who
comes second.  :(

There are lot more than two levers in that monstrosity. They'll need more than two levers to make it move, too.

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2014, 09:53:50 AM »
@fletcher: Thanks for that review. I get the feeling that not many people have studied up on Bessler the way you have. I believe the maid, and I believe that Bessler used several different methods for the various challenges, and I know that patrons of the arts will accept the most outrageous BS from their artists because they are paying them for it.

I'm not close-minded though. There is one way -- only -- to convince me that Bessler actually had what he and all the thousands of people who believe in him claim: show me a working Bessler wheel.

Unfortunately.... you cannot.



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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2014, 10:24:27 AM »
The RAR device could well be a two lever device...

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/


In which case the sooner you give your insights full publicity the better....
else it will just be seen as a variant of RAR. Nobody remembers who
comes second.  :(


I can assure you if anyone seen how it is put together you will be surprised how simple it is. I dont know how a RAR works but surely it is not a wheel. But there is something in a 2 stage leverage system. Googling 2 stage lever leads me to Veljko Milkovik 2 stage mechanical oscillator which he claims to be an energy amplifier. [size=1px !important]

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Re: The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2014, 10:43:43 AM »

I can assure you if anyone seen how it is put together you will be surprised how simple it is. I dont know how a RAR works but surely it is not a wheel. But there is something in a 2 stage leverage system. Googling 2 stage lever leads me to Veljko Milkovik 2 stage mechanical oscillator which he claims to be an energy amplifier. [size=1px !important]


So your Two Lever Thingy is a Milkovic?!


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I can assure you if anyone seen how it is put together you will be surprised how simple it is

How did you seen it put together? When can I take a ride in your Time Machine?


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