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Author Topic: how much is bessler wheel valued at?  (Read 15748 times)

Offline gurangax

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2014, 05:57:38 AM »
There is no lost knowledge of a working Bessler wheel.  Gravity is a conservative field.


You are right. Gravity is a conservative field


edit: But you are wrong about the lost knowledge

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2014, 07:16:10 AM »
Putting aside the arguments of scarcity, & supply & demand etc, found in economic theory, we are left with the trivial.

Also assuming that it was the real McCoy i.e. an Intrinsic Motion Machine, that didn't need internal fuel replenishment, did not use a sequestered environmental force, nor was a deliberate fraud or deception, then it comes down to Power Density i.e. bang for your buck verses competing technology & its cost that is readily available today.

Many on BW.com have attempted to quantify Bessler's five display wheels in terms of continuous work capability - it seems that his last 12 foot diameter [18 inches thick] wheel could output between 80 & 150 watts, depending on assumptions made garnered from eyewitness reports & testing carried out.

This is enough to light one light bulb continuously, so little power density compared to modern day alternatives.

It's real value IMO would be to the advancement of science & understanding IF a mechanical work-around to first principles was found to be a legitimate solution to free-energy challenges.

That would be priceless - as for the mundane, if it were found to be a free environmental force like barometric changes or diurnal thermal changes then it would have little value above Cox's clock or Drebble's clock IMO - curiosity value but little economic worth.

If it were fraud then no value at all.

Offline MarkE

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2014, 07:36:16 AM »

You are right. Gravity is a conservative field


edit: But you are wrong about the lost knowledge
Your position requires evidence that you have not offered.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2014, 07:36:16 AM »
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2014, 07:47:23 AM »
Fletcher is kind of waltzing round but has come kind of close to the point at a moment.

If Bessler had discovered a way to capture energy out of the gravity field or the equally immanent and awesome Quantum Field, (who knows, they may be the same field) then the physical limitations of his woody are of vanishing importance. If, If, If, then a device could be built of titanium and carbon fibre and could be let turn at a high RPM instead of his 60 RPM or whatever. With the result being a HIGH power density and a sustained power output that could vastly out-compete any hydroelectric or windpower installation.

With no fuel costs, such a "modern" Bessler device could replace all present Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Nuke, Big Gas, Big Whatever energy suppliers and monopolize the power supply industry.

The present day end consumer energy cost is very roughly 10 Trillion $ US globally per year.

A titanium Bessler wheel could replace the present energy suppliers and therefore be worth 10 Trillion $ US per year.

The standard pre-negotiation worth or selling price of a business is simply the amount of one year of the business gross income.

Therefore, in one limited way of reckoning, the value of a functional Bessler Wheel would be 10 Trillion $ US.

If you were to rationalize the value over the Wheel over the 20 year life of its patent, presuming that you could apply for one, get one, and remain alive and un-murdered,  then its value would be 20 x 10 Trillion $ US.

200 Trillion $ US.

And highly pissed off Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Nuke and Big Gas investors and CEOs? Countless and priceless.....


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Offline gurangax

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2014, 07:51:42 AM »
Putting aside the arguments of scarcity, & supply & demand etc, found in economic theory, we are left with the trivial.

Also assuming that it was the real McCoy i.e. an Intrinsic Motion Machine, that didn't need internal fuel replenishment, did not use a sequestered environmental force, nor was a deliberate fraud or deception, then it comes down to Power Density i.e. bang for your buck verses competing technology & its cost that is readily available today.

Many on BW.com have attempted to quantify Bessler's five display wheels in terms of continuous work capability - it seems that his last 12 foot diameter [18 inches thick] wheel could output between 80 & 150 watts, depending on assumptions made garnered from eyewitness reports & testing carried out.

This is enough to light one light bulb continuously, so little power density compared to modern day alternatives.

It's real value IMO would be to the advancement of science & understanding IF a mechanical work-around to first principles was found to be a legitimate solution to free-energy challenges.

That would be priceless - as for the mundane, if it were found to be a free environmental force like barometric changes or diurnal thermal changes then it would have little value above Cox's clock or Drebble's clock IMO - curiosity value but little economic worth.

If it were fraud then no value at all.


for instance a 30kg weight at the end of a 2 foot pole would be supplying great torque at the other pole end. and it is variably adjusted according to the heaviness of the weight. it doesnt depend only on the diameter of wheel but also how heavy the weights is. it could easily achieve 10Kw power. its no fraud at all just simple but lost bessler secret.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2014, 07:51:42 AM »
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Offline gurangax

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2014, 07:52:24 AM »
Your position requires evidence that you have not offered.


the question is what will someone get by exposing the secret?

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2014, 08:01:40 AM »

the question is what will someone get by exposing the secret?
There is no evidence that a secret exists to expose.  How much is an invisible unicorn worth?

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
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Offline gurangax

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2014, 08:02:25 AM »
Fletcher is kind of waltzing round but has come kind of close to the point at a moment.

If Bessler had discovered a way to capture energy out of the gravity field or the equally immanent and awesome Quantum Field, (who knows, they may be the same field) then the physical limitations of his woody are of vanishing importance. If, If, If, then a device could be built of titanium and carbon fibre and could be let turn at a high RPM instead of his 60 RPM or whatever. With the result being a HIGH power density and a sustained power output that could vastly out-compete any hydroelectric or windpower installation.

With no fuel costs, such a "modern" Bessler device could replace all present Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Nuke, Big Gas, Big Whatever energy suppliers and monopolize the power supply industry.

The present day end consumer energy cost is very roughly 10 Trillion $ US globally per year.

A titanium Bessler wheel could replace the present energy suppliers and therefore be worth 10 Trillion $ US per year.

The standard pre-negotiation worth or selling price of a business is simply the amount of one year of the business gross income.

Therefore, in one limited way of reckoning, the value of a functional Bessler Wheel would be 10 Trillion $ US.

If you were to rationalize the value over the Wheel over the 20 year life of its patent, presuming that you could apply for one, get one, and remain alive and un-murdered,  then its value would be 20 x 10 Trillion $ US.

200 Trillion $ US.

And highly pissed off Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Nuke and Big Gas investors and CEOs? Countless and priceless.....


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basing on what you said, the secret should be costing in the millions.

Offline gurangax

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2014, 08:03:57 AM »
There is no evidence that a secret exists to expose.  How much is an invisible unicorn worth?


ok I understand that you have no intentions on finding the truth about bessler wheel. I respect your thoughts.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2014, 08:06:19 AM »
btw i cant show any videos since i cant show the mechanism. a spinning wheel can be debunked with a motor running it unless the mechanism is shown.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2014, 07:55:49 PM »
Found this link while looking for free energy challenges. http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/100000-star-challenge-and-award/


But they seems to be forgetting about gravity as a free energy source, too bad.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2014, 12:46:45 AM »
gurangax

The sad part is it will take a lot of media support to even be believed. So many free energy devices out there at this time it could get swallowed up in the hype. Another and I are planning on showing our wheels sometime in May. He tells me that he has 5 different runners and have had them for some time. I am in the process of possible 100% disability under the VA since they declared me unemployable due to my disabilities.  So I would have the time to help promote the truth of the finding. For if you can't promote a running wheel? It is very possible to be buried by the Bull $#!+  that comes afterward.

Worst case scenario - remember Stanley Meyers and the water fuel cell and what happened to Stanley.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2014, 08:40:21 AM »



basing on what you said, the secret should be costing in the millions.


Actually, gurangax, when I estimated the potential financial value of the secret principle of a perpetually energetic wheel and said TRILLIONS, I really meant TRILLIONS.

Not millions. Do the arithmetic.  8) I plainly explained how I derived my rough estimate.


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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2014, 10:31:40 AM »

Actually, gurangax, when I estimated the potential financial value of the secret principle of a perpetually energetic wheel and said TRILLIONS, I really meant TRILLIONS.

Not millions. Do the arithmetic.  8) I plainly explained how I derived my rough estimate.


CANGAS 24


that would be the financial value if the system is already in production of electric generation. Im only interested in the value of how it works or the secret of the working wheel. Bessler was going to sell it for 100,000 Thales which someone says about $2.5 millions.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2014, 11:37:54 AM »

that would be the financial value if the system is already in production of electric generation. Im only interested in the value of how it works or the secret of the working wheel. Bessler was going to sell it for 100,000 Thales which someone says about $2.5 millions.


I'm afraid you have the same problem as Bessler. You won't get paid until you reveal it and once you reveal it why would they pay you?


I should go for the fame aspect if I were you - before someone else does.  ;D

 

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