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Author Topic: how much is bessler wheel valued at?  (Read 15006 times)

Offline gurangax

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how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« on: April 23, 2014, 02:47:47 PM »
What is the value of Bessler Wheel currently?

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014, 05:09:38 PM »
What is the value of Bessler Wheel currently?
As an energy producing device:  $0.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014, 05:10:49 PM »
As an energy producing device:  $0.


what about historical value? it cant be $0

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 07:25:48 PM »
What if someone cracked the mysteries of Bessler Wheel, then what will he get/earn from it?

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 09:15:55 PM »



   On a par with a ZED?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 09:38:11 PM »
What if someone cracked the mysteries of Bessler Wheel, then what will he get/earn from it?
Do you mean the mystery of the maid driving it by turning a crank in the next room?

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2014, 11:20:48 PM »



   Oh, is that what maid it work?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2014, 03:13:49 AM »
Do you mean the mystery of the maid driving it by turning a crank in the next room?

You're good with math Mark - spreadsheet what forces & energy would be involved ?!

You'll have to make some assumptions about the wheel mass & frictions & the cranks involved etc, but you should be able to come up with a ready reckoner for a few hours wheel demonstration at a constant rpm.

Then pass that over the other public demonstrations that Bessler did, including his very first one that was outside IIRC.

Then run the math for the demonstrations of his later bi-directional wheels that did external work for much longer periods.

If that still doesn't pique your curiosity than apply the same logic & rationale to the translocation test [stopped, shifted from one set of stands to anther & restarted] & finally the long duration test of 54 days under guard, lock & key, & from a second story room.

N.B. we all know that first principles say that OU/PM is not possible in the sense of a closed system self sustaining internally energy replenishing machine able to output external work.

The interest & mystery for many is HOW DID HE DO IT using the technology & materials of his time?

Were that by fraud, or, did he find a unique mechanism that was a 'work-around' of first principles [yes, I know this is heretical], or did he use some then unknown about or unexploited environmental force to do his bidding, in the guise of a 'true Perpetual Motion Machine' or 'Intrinsic Motion Machine' as he insisted his demonstrations should rightly be called.

Many have tried & failed to come up with a plausible fraud [untruth] option that could replicate his well documented demonstrations & the panel testing & close scrutiny by some of the best minds of the day in Europe, whilst outputting the same or similar levels of work & performance etc.

Good luck with the maid calculations !

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2014, 03:21:20 AM »
You're good with math Mark - spreadsheet what forces & energy would be involved ?!

You'll have to make some assumptions about the wheel mass & frictions & the cranks involved etc, but you should be able to come up with a ready reckoner for a few hours wheel demonstration at a constant rpm.

Then pass that over the other public demonstrations that Bessler did, including his very first one that was outside IIRC.

Then run the math for the demonstrations of his later bi-directional wheels that did external work for much longer periods.

If that still doesn't pique your curiosity than apply the same logic & rationale to the translocation test [stopped, shifted from one set of stands to anther & restarted] & finally the long duration test of 54 days under guard, lock & key, & from a second story room.

N.B. we all know that first principles say that OU/PM is not possible in the sense of a closed system self sustaining internally energy replenishing machine able to output external work.

The interest & mystery for many is HOW DID HE DO IT using the technology & materials of his time?

Were that by fraud, or, did he find a unique mechanism that was a 'work-around' of first principles [yes, I know this is heretical], or did he use some then unknown about or unexploited environmental force to do his bidding, in the guise of a 'true Perpetual Motion Machine' or 'Intrinsic Motion Machine' as he insisted his demonstrations should rightly be called.

Many have tried & failed to come up with a plausible fraud [untruth] option that could replicate his well documented demonstrations & the panel testing & close scrutiny by some of the best minds of the day in Europe, whilst outputting the same or similar levels of work & performance etc.

Good luck with the maid calculations !
Fletcher, before you ask someone else to account for an event, shouldn't you actually confirm the event first occurred?

In the meantime consider:
Is energy important?
Is energy valuable?
If it is, then how is it that hundreds of years after Bessler, and momentous technological advancements no one has made an overbalanced wheel work?  Gee, could it be that our scientific discoveries that have been constantly reinforced by careful observation are valid? 

There are folks around who like to believe legends.  Unless and until those folks actually come up with evidence, those legends remain fanciful stories.

There are many ways to fool human beings.  Nature will not be fooled.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2014, 04:03:36 AM »
Fletcher, before you ask someone else to account for an event, shouldn't you actually confirm the event first occurred?

It's well documented Mark http://www.orffyre.com/main.html

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In the meantime consider:
Is energy important?
Is energy valuable?
If it is, then how is it that hundreds of years after Bessler, and momentous technological advancements no one has made an overbalanced wheel work?  Gee, could it be that our scientific discoveries that have been constantly reinforced by careful observation are valid? 

There are folks around who like to believe legends.  Unless and until those folks actually come up with evidence, those legends remain fanciful stories.

There are many ways to fool human beings.  Nature will not be fooled.

Bessler never said it was an overbalanced wheel, nor did he directly refer to it as a gravity wheel - I suggest you do a bit of background reading before you perpetuate the myths already out there Mark.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 05:11:41 AM »
Do you mean the mystery of the maid driving it by turning a crank in the next room?


No i meant the real mechanism in it. But of course no one can ever say that it is the real mechanism that he made, but it probably is.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2014, 05:21:05 AM »


   On a par with a ZED?
                         John.


Its pure gravity so you can say its not on par with a ZED machine.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 05:26:27 AM »
What amazes me is how simple it is just as prince karl said a carpenters boy can build it just by watching the inside for 5 minutes.

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 05:35:10 AM »
What amazes me is how simple it is just as prince karl said a carpenters boy can build it just by watching the inside for 5 minutes.


If for instance someone with this lost knowledge wants to tell the world about this simple mechanism what will he get/earn from it?

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Re: how much is bessler wheel valued at?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2014, 05:52:08 AM »

If for instance someone with this lost knowledge wants to tell the world about this simple mechanism what will he get/earn from it?
There is no lost knowledge of a working Bessler wheel.  Gravity is a conservative field.

 

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