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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2014, 11:22:30 AM »
Π£ мСня Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΈ сСвши Π±Π°Ρ‚Π°Ρ€Π΅ΠΉΠΊΠΈ, Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ Ρ‚Π΅ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ΡŒ Π³Π΄Π΅-Ρ‚ΠΎ 2,5 Π²ΠΎΠ»ΡŒΡ‚Π° ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ»ΠΎ 200 ΠΈ Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ большС ΠΌΠΈΠ»ΠΈΠ°ΠΌΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ ΠΎΠ΄Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ DC  прСобразоватСля. Π­Ρ‚ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΌΠΎΡ‚Π°Π½Π½ΠΎ Π½Π° Ρ„Π΅Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚ΠΎΠ²Ρ‹ΠΉ ΡΡ‚Π΅Ρ€ΠΆΠ΅Π½ΡŒ 0,7 см Π΄ΠΈΠ°ΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚Ρ€Π° 350 Π²ΠΈΡ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ². И Ρ‚Π΅ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ΡŒ Π½Π΅Ρ‚ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ синуса. И поставил 20 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌ рСзистор ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π΅ΠΌΠ΅Π½Π½Ρ‹ΠΉ вмСсто 4 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌ Π±Ρ‹Π²ΡˆΠ΅Π³ΠΎ. Π‘Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ Π±Ρ‹ Ρ…ΠΎΡ€ΠΎΡˆΠΎ Ссли Π’Π°Π΄ΠΈΠΊ ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠ΅Ρ€ΠΈΠ» Π±Ρ‹ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΎΠ΄Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ DC прСобразоватСля с ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠΎΠΉ (Π±Π΅Π· ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠΈ ΠΎΠ½ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚ 0 ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»ΡΡ‚ΡŒ), Π±Π΅Π· Π²Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΎΠΉ микросхСмы.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2014, 12:06:55 PM »
Π― Π΄ΠΎΠΌΠΎΡ‚Π°Π» Π΅Ρ‰Ρ‘ 240 Π²ΠΈΡ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ², ΠΊΠ°ΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ, Π½Π° этот ΡΡ‚Π΅Ρ€ΠΆΠ΅Π½ΡŒ, Π½ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠ΅ Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠΎΠ΅ ΠΈ ΠΎΡΡ‚Π°Π»ΠΎΡΡŒ, Π½Π΅ Π·Π°ΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΈΠ», Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎΠ± ΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡˆΠΈΠ»ΠΎΡΡŒ, Π° расчитывал, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π΄ΠΎΠΌΠ°Ρ‚Π°Π² сильно ΡƒΠΏΠ°Π΄Ρ‘Ρ‚.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2014, 12:43:51 PM »
Maybe a possible solution  :)
That's a nice hand drawing!  I could not draw sth like that without a computer.
It is still not perfect because it is not clear which junction connects with the foil and which connects with the wire.

If only Vadik Guk could draw like that !

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« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2014, 12:43:51 PM »
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2014, 12:58:23 PM »
Π§Ρ‚ΠΎΠ± ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‚ синус, Π½ΡƒΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΎΡ‡Π΅Π½ΡŒ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‡Π½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΡΡ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π½Π° 20 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Π΅Π½Ρ†ΠΈΠΎΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚Ρ€Π΅ ΠΈ с 4 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Π΅Π½Ρ†ΠΈΠΎΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠΌ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Π»Π΅Π³Ρ‡Π΅ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚, это Π² самом Π½Π°Ρ‡Π°Π»Π΅ ΠΎΠ½ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠ° Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈΠ½Π°Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΆΠΆΡƒΠΆΠ°Ρ‚ΡŒ. ΠŸΡ€ΠΈ Π½ΠΈΠΆΠ΅ напряТСнии ΠΎΠ½ Π²Ρ€ΠΎΠ΄Π΅ Π±Ρ‹ Π»Π΅Π³Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ. Но ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ ΠΈ Π½Π΅ Π² Π½Ρ‘ΠΌ Ρ‚ΡƒΡ‚ ΡΡƒΡ‚ΡŒ, Π° ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ просто Π’Π°Π΄ΠΈΠΊ наткнулся Π½Π° ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΡƒΡŽ-Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΎΡˆΠΈΠ±ΠΊΡƒ микросхСмы ΠΈ поэтому ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡ΠΈΠ» самозапит, Π½ΠΎ я повозился Π½Π° своём сСрдСчникС стСрТнС ΠΈ самозапита ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π½Π΅Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ ΠΈ Π½Π΅Ρ‚, ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ»ΠΎ 100-150 ΠΌΠΈΠ»ΠΈΠ°ΠΌΠΏΠ΅Ρ€. ΠŸΡ€ΠΈ ΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π°Π½ΠΈΠΈ 3 Π²ΠΎΠ»ΡŒΡ‚ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ ΠΈ 200 ΠΌΠΈΠ»ΠΈΠ°ΠΌΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ Π²Ρ‹ΡˆΠ΅ ΠΈ Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΈΠ΅ подстройки Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΏΡƒΡΠΊΠ°ΡŽΡ‚ Π΅Π³ΠΎ. ΠŸΠΎΡΡ‚ΠΎΠΌΡƒ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Ρ‚ΡƒΡ‚ ΡΡƒΡ‚ΡŒ Π² ΠΌΠ΅Π΄Π½Ρ‹Ρ… Π»Π΅Π½Ρ‚Π°Ρ…, я ΠΈΡ… Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΡ‚Π°Π». :)

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2014, 01:01:34 PM »
Π§Ρ‚ΠΎΠ± ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‚ синус, Π½ΡƒΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΎΡ‡Π΅Π½ΡŒ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‡Π½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΡΡ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π½Π° 20 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Π΅Π½Ρ†ΠΈΠΎΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚Ρ€Π΅ ΠΈ с 4 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Π΅Π½Ρ†ΠΈΠΎΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠΌ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Π»Π΅Π³Ρ‡Π΅ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚, это Π² самом Π½Π°Ρ‡Π°Π»Π΅ ΠΎΠ½ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠ° Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈΠ½Π°Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΆΠΆΡƒΠΆΠ°Ρ‚ΡŒ. ΠŸΡ€ΠΈ Π½ΠΈΠΆΠ΅ напряТСнии ΠΎΠ½ Π²Ρ€ΠΎΠ΄Π΅ Π±Ρ‹ Π»Π΅Π³Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Π΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ. Но ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ ΠΈ Π½Π΅ Π² Π½Ρ‘ΠΌ Ρ‚ΡƒΡ‚ ΡΡƒΡ‚ΡŒ, Π° ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ просто Π’Π°Π΄ΠΈΠΊ наткнулся Π½Π° ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΡƒΡŽ-Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΎΡˆΠΈΠ±ΠΊΡƒ микросхСмы ΠΈ поэтому ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡ΠΈΠ» самозапит, Π½ΠΎ я повозился Π½Π° своём сСрдСчникС стСрТнС ΠΈ самозапита ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π½Π΅Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ ΠΈ Π½Π΅Ρ‚, ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ»ΠΎ 100-150 ΠΌΠΈΠ»ΠΈΠ°ΠΌΠΏΠ΅Ρ€. ΠŸΡ€ΠΈ ΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π°Π½ΠΈΠΈ 3 Π²ΠΎΠ»ΡŒΡ‚ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ ΠΈ 200 ΠΌΠΈΠ»ΠΈΠ°ΠΌΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ Π²Ρ‹ΡˆΠ΅ ΠΈ Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΈΠ΅ подстройки Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΏΡƒΡΠΊΠ°ΡŽΡ‚ Π΅Π³ΠΎ. ΠŸΠΎΡΡ‚ΠΎΠΌΡƒ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Ρ‚ΡƒΡ‚ ΡΡƒΡ‚ΡŒ Π² ΠΌΠ΅Π΄Π½Ρ‹Ρ… Π»Π΅Π½Ρ‚Π°Ρ…, я ΠΈΡ… Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠΎΡ‚Π°Π». :)
You can guess long as you wish just there is single working principle involved and that was mentioned many times in Russian forums.
Here is excerpt from patent application for all this stuff:

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2014, 01:20:33 PM »
Here is excerpt from patent application for all this stuff:
So the bottom winding is split into two parts and the top winding is not.
So that makes 3 coils total and the text confirms that in the 1st sentence: "Ρ‚Ρ€ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠΈ" = 3 coils.

Is this Russian text translated into English somewhere?

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2014, 01:47:45 PM »
So the bottom winding is split into two parts and the top winding is not.
So that makes 3 coils and the text states that in the 1st sentence: "Ρ‚Ρ€ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠΈ" = 3 coils.

Is this Russian text translated into English somewhere?

There is no English translation yet.
Also due 3 topics on 2 different forums I am not sure if here it is best to drop in more information about it but I will try. :)
Delamorto/Akula LEDs flashlights circuits are following that patent application too.
Probably everyone remember self runner circuit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8_moSa7KY
It is real manifestation of what was in patent application.
Here is its top circuit diagram of circuit in that video:

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« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2014, 06:22:00 PM »
I will try with other windings. one coil 25 about turns, other, 60, maybe turns. Then I regulate inverter potiontiometer, then generaly nothing change, I in series conect miliampermeter and curent practicaly is stable in any position of potiotiometer.
Π― Π΅Ρ‰Ρ‘ нСсколько Ρ€Π°Π· ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π΅ΠΌΠΎΡ‚Π°Π» ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΡƒ, ΠΌΠ΅Π΄Π½Ρ‹Π΅ Π»Π΅Π½Ρ‚Ρ‹ Π½Π΅ использовал. И мСняя ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ±Ρ‹ напряТСниС, Ρ‚ΠΎΠΊ Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π½Π΅ ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΠ΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ потрСбляСмый ΠΎΡ‚ крутСния Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ рСзистора, ΠΊΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΡ€Ρ‹ΠΉ Π’Π°Π΄ΠΈΠΊ ΠΊΡ€ΡƒΡ‚ΠΈΡ‚ Π½Π° Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ, Ρƒ мСня Π΅Π³ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΊΡ€ΡƒΡ‚ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π² ΡˆΠΈΡ€ΠΎΠΊΠΈΡ… ΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π΅Π»Π°Ρ… ΠΈ всё ΠΎΡΡ‚Π°Ρ‘Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ Ρ‚ΠΎ само, Ρ‚ΠΎΠ»ΡŒΠΊΠΎ Π² ΠΎΠ΄Π½Ρƒ сторону Π·Π°ΠΊΡ€ΡƒΡ‚ΠΈΠ² Ρ‚Π°ΠΌ Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ-Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΏΠ°Π΄Π°Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ растёт, Π½ΠΎ это ΠΏΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΠΌΡƒ Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ, Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΌΠΎ, ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΊΡ€Π°Ρ‰Π°Π΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ Ρ€Π΅ΠΆΠΈΠΌ ΠΈΠ½Π²Π΅Ρ€Ρ‚Π΅Ρ€Π° ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π½ΠΈΡ‡Π΅Π³ΠΎ явного Π½Π΅Ρ‚, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎΠ± ΠΎΡ‡Π΅Π½ΡŒ сильно Ρ‚ΠΎΠΊ ΡƒΠΏΠ°Π». Π£ мСня сСрдСчник Π¨ ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π°Π·Π½Ρ‹ΠΉ.

hi MenoFather,

Have you try to swap only one of the winding be it primary or secondary side to solve the issue and measure current consumption again during tuning.
It can be a common mistake normally made on self-made transformer with 4 wires(2 pri, 2 secondary).If connected wrongly the circuit will never oscillate.


By observing video 4 you can almost hear the  ticking noise base on slower frequency signal produced by I/C:4069.Do use this frequency of ticking sound as a guide for your circuit.

Have you look into the counter poise beneath the Ferrite core on the copper track which looks near to a square shape(-).



 
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2014, 06:55:47 PM »
hi MenoFather,

Have you try to swap only one of the winding be it primary or secondary side to solve the issue and measure current consumption again during tuning.
It can be a common mistake normally made on self-made transformer with 4 wires(2 pri, 2 secondary).If connected wrongly the circuit will never oscillate.


By observing video 4 you can almost hear the  ticking noise base on slower frequency signal produced by I/C:4069.Do use this frequency of ticking sound as a guide for your circuit.

Have you look into the counter poise beneath the Ferrite core on the copper track which looks near to a square shape(-).

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I can't confirm if this do plays a part-----------------------
I observe the copper\brass screw thread is soldered onto large copper track(square shaped).

Do observe the screw at the center of pot core  is metallic instead of plastic.The top half is nicely insulated using the "plastic insulator" with the metallic screw going through it which is also similar shaped for TO-247 heat-sink insulator\mounting kit
Last my version have E core. I try with aliuminum tape conected to first wounded wire and try change position of wires, this nothing change. Now  burn 34063 and power sonsumption is about 10-20 miliamperes from 6 volts. Green light flasing. I not have pod core. I then not be burned 34063 have power consumption about 2,5 volts and 200 miliamps and nothing helped to me to make smaller cunsumtion strongly.
Thanks for advice. ;)

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2014, 05:11:57 AM »
Ошибка всСх ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ Π°Π²Ρ‚ΠΎΠ½ΠΎΠΌΠ½ΡƒΡŽ Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Ρƒ сразу, Π½Π° 1 Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ Ρƒ мСня Π½Π΅ Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ ΠΊΠ»ΡŽΡ‡Π° Π½Π° Π²ΠΎΠ·Π²Ρ€Π°Ρ‚ энСргии, ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ Π½ΡƒΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΈΠΌΠΏΡƒΠ»ΡŒΡΡ‹ с "Ρ„ΠΎΠ½Π°Ρ€ΠΈΠΊ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ 1", ΠΈΡ… Π½Π°ΡΡ‚Ρ€Π°ΠΈΠ²Π°ΡŽΡ‚ напряТСниСм питания. Π’ΠΎΡ‚ ΠΊΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π²Ρ‹ ΠΈΡ… ΡƒΠ²ΠΈΠ΄ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π½Π° осциллографС 1-4 Π²Ρ‹Π²ΠΎΠ΄ 34063, Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π½Π°Π΄ΠΎ Π½Π°ΡΡ‚Ρ€Π°ΠΈΠ²Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΌΡƒΡ‚Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€, Π° Π΄ΠΎ Ρ‚Π΅Ρ… ΠΏΠΎΡ€ ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΠ»ΡŽΡ‡ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΌΡƒΡ‚Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€.


Error getting all autonomous work immediately on one video I did not have a key to the return of energy, you need to get pulses with "Ρ„ΠΎΠ½Π°Ρ€ΠΈΠΊ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ 1", set up their supply voltage. That's when you'll see them on the oscilloscope output 1-4 34063, then you must configure the switch, but until then disconnect switch.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2014, 07:00:50 AM »
ЗдравствуйтС Π‘Π΅ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ…ΠΈΠ½-77

Бпасибо Π·Π° ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΡ‰ΡŒ ΠΈ ΠΈΠ½Ρ„ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠ°Ρ†ΠΈΡŽ, ΠΊΠ°ΡΠ°ΡŽΡ‰ΡƒΡŽΡΡ вашСго pertual Ρ„ΠΎΠ½Π°Ρ€ΠΈΠΊ Ρ†Π΅ΠΏΠΈ.
Π― ΠΎΡ‡Π΅Π½ΡŒ Ρ†Π΅Π½ΡŽ ваши Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ ..... я ΠΏΠΎΡΡ‚Π°Ρ€Π°ΡŽΡΡŒ ΠΏΠΎΠ²Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π²Π°ΡˆΡƒ схСму.
ΠœΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚Π΅ Π»ΠΈ Π²Ρ‹ Ρ€Π°ΡΡΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ Π½Π°ΠΌ большС ΠΈΠ½Ρ„ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠ°Ρ†ΠΈΠΈ ΠΎ структурС Ρ„Π΅Ρ€Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚ΠΎΠ²Ρ‹Π΅ ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠΈ?
Π― Π½Π΅ понимаю, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ ΠΈΠΌΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΎ мСдная Π»Π΅Π½Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠ»ΡŽΡ‡Π°Π΅Ρ‚ΡΡ ΠΊ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΡ‡Π½Ρ‹Ρ… ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠ΅ΠΊ Π²Π½ΡƒΡ‚Ρ€ΠΈ Ρ„Π΅Ρ€Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚Π°?
Π― знаю, Π²Ρ‹ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π°Ρ‚ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ большоС количСство Π²Ρ€Π΅ΠΌΠ΅Π½ΠΈ, работая Π½Π° изобрСтСния, ΠΈ я Ρ†Π΅Π½ΡŽ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‚ Ρ„Π°ΠΊΡ‚, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π²Ρ‹ Π³ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΠ²Ρ‹, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎΠ±Ρ‹ ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΡ‡ΡŒ Π½Π°ΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΠ²Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π΅Π³ΠΎ.
Какой Π²ΠΈΠ΄ Ρ„Π΅Ρ€Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚Π° Π½Π°ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π½Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ ΠΈΠ·? Π’ΠΈΠΏ Ρ„Π΅Ρ€Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚Π° Π˜ΠΌΠ΅Π΅Ρ‚ Π»ΠΈ Ρ€Π°Π·Π½ΠΈΡ†Ρƒ Π² Ρ„ΡƒΠ½ΠΊΡ†ΠΈΠΎΠ½ΠΈΡ€ΠΎΠ²Π°Π½ΠΈΠ΅ вашСй схСмС?
Π― надСюсь, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π²Ρ‹ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚Π΅ ΠΎΡ‚Π²Π΅Ρ‡Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ Π½Π° эти вопросы.
Бпасибо Π’Π°ΠΌ. ΠΈ Π΅ΡΡ‚ΡŒ Π²Π΅Π»ΠΈΠΊΠΈΠΉ дСнь!
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2014, 07:00:50 AM »
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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2014, 10:16:58 AM »
Ошибка всСх ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ Π°Π²Ρ‚ΠΎΠ½ΠΎΠΌΠ½ΡƒΡŽ Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Ρƒ сразу, Π½Π° 1 Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ Ρƒ мСня Π½Π΅ Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ ΠΊΠ»ΡŽΡ‡Π° Π½Π° Π²ΠΎΠ·Π²Ρ€Π°Ρ‚ энСргии, ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ Π½ΡƒΠΆΠ½ΠΎ ΠΈΠΌΠΏΡƒΠ»ΡŒΡΡ‹ с "Ρ„ΠΎΠ½Π°Ρ€ΠΈΠΊ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ 1", ΠΈΡ… Π½Π°ΡΡ‚Ρ€Π°ΠΈΠ²Π°ΡŽΡ‚ напряТСниСм питания. Π’ΠΎΡ‚ ΠΊΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π²Ρ‹ ΠΈΡ… ΡƒΠ²ΠΈΠ΄ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π½Π° осциллографС 1-4 Π²Ρ‹Π²ΠΎΠ΄ 34063, Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π½Π°Π΄ΠΎ Π½Π°ΡΡ‚Ρ€Π°ΠΈΠ²Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΌΡƒΡ‚Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€, Π° Π΄ΠΎ Ρ‚Π΅Ρ… ΠΏΠΎΡ€ ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΠ»ΡŽΡ‡ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΌΡƒΡ‚Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€.


Error getting all autonomous work immediately on one video I did not have a key to the return of energy, you need to get pulses with "Ρ„ΠΎΠ½Π°Ρ€ΠΈΠΊ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅ΠΎ 1", set up their supply voltage. That's when you'll see them on the oscilloscope output 1-4 34063, then you must configure the switch, but until then disconnect switch.
Π’ΠΎ Π΅ΡΡ‚ΡŒ Π½Π° Π½ΠΎΠΆΠΊΠΈ 1 ΠΈ 4 микросхСмы Π½Π°Π΄ΠΎ ΡΠ°Π΄ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ осцилиограф?


Если ΠΌΡ‹ ΠΎ Ρ‚ΠΎΠΌ самом ΠΆΡƒΠΆΠ°Π½ΠΈΠΈ Π³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠΌ, Ρ‚ΠΎ Π΄Π°, Π²Ρ‹ΡΡ‚Π°Π²Π»ΡΡ‚ΡŒ Π½Π°Π΄ΠΎ достаточно Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‡Π½ΠΎ ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠ° Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈΠ½Π°Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΆΠΆΡƒΠΆΠ°Ρ‚ΡŒ ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ я ΠΏΠΎΠΊΠ°Π·Ρ‹Π²Π°Π», Ρƒ мСня Π½Π° ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠ΅ смотря Π³Ρ€Π°Ρ„ΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ²Π»ΡΠ΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ такая слоТная осциграма ΠΈ Π²ΠΈΠ΄Π΅Π½ Π½Π΅ΠΉΠΊΠΈΠΉ синус, Π²ΠΎΡ‚ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΎΠ½Π° ΠΆΠΆΡƒΠΆΠΈΡ‚, Π»Π΅Π³Ρ‡Π΅ ΠΏΠΎΠΉΠΌΠ°Ρ‚ΡŒ это ΠΆΠΆΡƒΠΆΠ°Π½ΠΈΠ΅, ΠΊΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° рСзистор 4 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌΠ° ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π΅ΠΌΠ΅Π½Π½Ρ‹ΠΉ, с 20 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌΠΎΠΌ рСзистором Π³ΠΎΡ€Π°Π·Π΄ΠΎ слоТнСС, Ρ‚Π°ΠΌ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ»ΡŒΠΊΠΎ Π² самом Π½Π°Ρ‡Π°Π»Π΅ ΠΎΠ½Π° ΠΏΠΎΡΠ²Π»ΡΠ΅Ρ‚ΡŒΡΡ, это ΠΆΠΆΡƒΠΆΠ°Π½ΠΈΠ΅, Π° с 4 ΠΊΠΈΠ»ΠΎΠΎΠΌΠ½Ρ‹ΠΌ Π² Π±ΠΎΠ»Π΅Π΅ ΡˆΠΈΡ€ΠΎΠΊΠΈΡ… ΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π΅Π»Π°Ρ…. Но ΠΌΠ½Π΅ это ΠΎΡ‡Π΅Π½ΡŒ ΠΏΠΎΡ…ΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π° ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΡƒΡŽ-Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΎΡˆΠΈΠ±ΠΊΡƒ самой микросхСмы ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ ΠΊΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΎΠ½Π° Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Π°Π΅Ρ‚ Π½Π΅ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Ρ…ΠΎΡ‚Π΅Π»ΠΈ Ρ€Π°Π·Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Ρ‡ΠΈΠΊΠΈ Π΅Ρ‘. :)  Π•Ρ‰Ρ‘ ΠΏΠΎΠ²Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€ΡŽ, я смотрСл Π½Π΅ Π½Π° 1 ΠΈ 4 Π½ΠΎΠΆΠΊΠ΅ микросхСмы ос-Π³Ρ€Π°Ρ„ΠΎΠΌ Π½ΠΎ Π½Π° прямо ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠ΅. :)

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2014, 11:06:37 AM »
That's a nice hand drawing!  I could not draw sth like that without a computer.
It is still not perfect because it is not clear which junction connects with the foil and which connects with the wire.

If only Vadik Guk could draw like that !


The second version the goodness factor of an oscillator circuit bigger ...


The Russian hexa is looking for an inverter (K561LH2) ...a now one in him (TC4069) is out of order under 4 V..

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2014, 11:13:20 AM »
Бнял ΠΊΠ°Π΄Ρ€, Π³Π΄Π΅ ΠΈΠ΄ΡƒΡ‚ затухания ΠΈ ΠΊΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΎΠ½ ΠΎΡ‡Π΅Π½ΡŒ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‡Π½ΠΎ настраиваСт, Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Ρ€Π°Π· настраиваСт Π½Π° рСзонанс. И поэтому ΠΏΠ°Π΄Π°Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΏΠΎΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π±Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅. ΠžΡ‚ этого слСдуСт Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π»ΠΈΠ±ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ элСктролит Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Π°Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ рСзонансный кондСнсатор, Π»ΠΈΠ±ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ Π΄ΠΎΠ±Π°Π²ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ кондСнсатор ΠΏΠ°Ρ€Π°Π»Π»Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎ этой ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΡƒΡˆΠΊΠ΅ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠΎΠΉ Π½ΠΈΠ±ΡƒΠ΄ΡŒ ΠΈ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚ Π²Ρ‹ΡˆΠ΅ Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎΡ‚Π½ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒ ΠΈ Π»ΡƒΡ‡ΡˆΠ΅ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚. Но ΠΏΠΎΡ…ΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π·Π°Ρ‚ΡƒΡ…Π°Π΅Ρ‚ быстровато, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π·Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈΡ‚, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΌΠΎΡ‚Π°Π² Ρ‚ΠΎΠ»Ρ‰Π΅ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΎΠΌ ΡƒΠ²Π΅Π»ΠΈΡ‡ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎΡ‚Π½ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒ ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ³Π΄Π° ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ‚ Π±Ρ‹Ρ‚ΡŒ большС мощности Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅Ρ‚ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ самозапитС.
Here can be resonance. He ajust frenquency to resonance of coil. So I see, that it can work similar like Pantiuchov divice.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2014, 12:23:29 PM »
Strange I found a clip from 2013 where semenihin-77 is lighting 2 bright LED's, seems he is not improving his circuit?
http://www.2shared.com/file/hBvvbWH_/semenihin-77.html


More on this circuit:
http://mazeto.net/index.php?topic=8699.0


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