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T-1000

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2014, 02:44:23 PM »
I cannot verify your assertion that the inner winding is composed of only one part.  As he unwinds the inner winding, a small group of turns is left behind the unwind-point, while the underlying copper tape is being exposed.  The remaining group of turns is attached to something and he cannot unwind them like the rest of the winding, so he breaks them with a screwdriver.
This resembles winding layout depicted on Diag.2.

See the photo below:

At this point I can add from what Delamorto said:
The underlying copper tape is connected in series with primary coil and the secondary coil is all on top after.

Also I see all these LEDs self runners interlinked (I might be wrong) with same NMR effect... I already explained my thoughts in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37723#msg37723

P.S> The http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397475/#msg397475 is one you should look at for circuit diagram and PCB layout. Also it contains mistakes in circuit diagram what needs to be fixed. And semenihin-77 IS Delamorto ;)

magpwr

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2014, 03:02:29 PM »
At this point I can add from what Delamorto said:
The underlying copper tape is connected in series with primary coil and the secondary coil is all on top after.

Also I see all these LEDs self runners interlinked (I might be wrong) with same NMR effect... I already explained my thoughts in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37723#msg37723


hi T-1000,

In series to copper tape (with ~2mm gap)may sound a little misleading for others as i noticed there is only one "solder point" on shiny copper tape which is easy to spot from video.

Although it may not be wrong to say "in series" since it is also connected to magnet wire and thicker copper wire leading outwards.
 

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Haha nice you already drawn it below. :)

T-1000

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2014, 03:04:13 PM »

hi T-1000,

In series to copper tape (with ~2mm gap)may sound a little misleading as i noticed there is only one "solder point" on shiny copper tape which is easy to spot from video.Although it may be not wrong to say "in series".

Hopefully Delemorto's quick sketch will help you:

T-1000

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2014, 03:36:10 PM »
>:(  Считай витки.
Consider the turns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk

Thanks for video, now someone need to count turns in slow motion mode.

Also as you mentioned, the amount of turns are different each time and until you get same effect  (it took for you to rewind 500 times) so ampmeter showed less and less power consumption until it gone down to 0...

Непережывай, тут люди повторят и усовершенствуют схему после таво как на столе будет иметса рабочая копия твоево фонаря.. ;)

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2014, 04:36:14 PM »
Hopefully Delemorto's quick sketch will help you:
Has he seen my "not so quick sketch" of the bobbin's cross section?
It would be nice to have those connections of wire windings to the copper foil on that diagram.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2014, 06:17:46 PM »
I was hoping you would ask him in his YouTube comments and on Russian forums that he often participates in.

Please show him the diagram below and ask him whether his transformer is laid out as depicted on Diag.1 or Diag.2.
Also, please ask him which winding terminals are soldered to the copper shields.



According to me the beginning of the coil soldered to the shield and the end of the coil soldered the shield 2 to it ...Lacy...

T-1000

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2014, 06:45:16 PM »
I just counted turns in slow motion of video.
It appears there was 25 turns on isolation on top of copper foil. You might start with 30 then cut wire down until best results if you get 1:1 pot core like there..

Hopefully that helps :)

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2014, 07:41:54 PM »
Hello All:

Quick question:

Does this look like the copper foil tape used in the video?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-Side-Conductive-Shield-Copper-Foil-Tape-10mm-X-30m-/190655178902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c63ef2896


1pc One Side Conductive Shield Copper Foil Tape 10mm X 30m
 
Product Detail
Description:
100% Brand New
Type : Copper Foil Tape
Material : CU 99.98%
Side : One Sided Conduct
Size : 10mm(width)×30m(length)
Usage : Mainly used to eliminate electromagnetic interference EMI , to prevent body harm from electromagnetic wave. For manufacture of computer peripheral , monitor , or transformer and so on .
Package Include
1pc One Side Conductive Shield Copper Foil Tape 10mm X 30m

Not too expensive.....

take care, peace.
lost_bro

magpwr

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2014, 11:40:52 PM »


According to me the beginning of the coil soldered to the shield and the end of the coil soldered the shield 2 to it ...Lacy...

hi HG8AD,

You have a valid point from photo.Same copper wire can be used without using another copper to link to circuit.
But do try to solder little further away from the gap if you are re-creating copper shield.

But your (cavity or gap) looks little funny it should be across the "bobbin area" for both side.Only one\left copper side is correct ,it seems your "gap" is twice as wide as the original device shown in video 4.
Just try to follow the original layout since it's working device.
If your untested version of copper shielding were to fail it will waste the time taken to wind a another coil."It will be as good as starting from scratch,afresh once more.But i got no say if you got time on your side" :)




 

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2014, 11:54:15 PM »
Hello All:

Quick question:

Does this look like the copper foil tape used in the video?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-Side-Conductive-Shield-Copper-Foil-Tape-10mm-X-30m-/190655178902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c63ef2896


1pc One Side Conductive Shield Copper Foil Tape 10mm X 30m
 
Product Detail
Description:
100% Brand New
Type : Copper Foil Tape
Material : CU 99.98%
Side : One Sided Conduct
Size : 10mm(width)×30m(length)
Usage : Mainly used to eliminate electromagnetic interference EMI , to prevent body harm from electromagnetic wave. For manufacture of computer peripheral , monitor , or transformer and so on .
Package Include
1pc One Side Conductive Shield Copper Foil Tape 10mm X 30m

Not too expensive.....

take care, peace.
lost_bro

hi lost_bro,

Before you actually purchase item have you noticed the width of the copper tape spec "10mm" or 1cm is actually insufficient to cover the cross section of bobbin winding area.
Why not go for thin "copper sheet or copper foil" which can be cut even with scissors and easy to apply for any size of bobbin height.

Once soldered copper wire to sheet after cutting sheet to bobbin spec.Then stick onto place with see through tape or you can also attach very thin double sided tape under the cut copper pieces.
This would be similar to a copper tape.

 This is just my 2 cent worth of advise.I shall leave it to you to decide.

MenofFather

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2014, 08:23:31 AM »
I will try with other windings. one coil 25 about turns, other, 60, maybe turns. Then I regulate inverter potiontiometer, then generaly nothing change, I in series conect miliampermeter and curent practicaly is stable in any position of potiotiometer.
Я ещё несколько раз перемотал катушку, медные ленты не использовал. И меняя какбы напряжение, ток никак не меняеться потребляемый от крутения того резистора, который Вадик крутит на видео, у меня его можно крутить в широких пределах и всё остаёться то само, только в одну сторону закрутив там что-то падает или растёт, но это потому что, видемо, прекращаеться режим инвертера и тоже ничего явного нет, чтоб очень сильно ток упал. У меня сердечник Ш образный.

MenofFather

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2014, 08:45:11 AM »
Мой один инвертер, когда другая микросхема не подключена потребляет от 3 вольт где-то 80-90 милиампер, я это померил, светодиод подключая его или отключая, почти и не видно, как там что-то меняеться, то есть он потребляет около 3 милиампера. Может слишком малая у меня индуктвность, раз так много потребляет сам инвертер, сколько он должен потреблять?
И другая микросхема у меня не работает от 3 вольт, если я питание к инвертору отключаю, провод отпаиваю минуса, который его питает, а от 4,5 вольт работает эта другая микросхема и с отключённым инвертером. Так что если вериться, что там очень точно нужно выставить напряжение, а инвертер только для создания нужного напряжения, то почему бы просто не питать от 4 вольт, например, очень точно выставив напряжение на блоке питания?


Прогнался ещё без 16 ногой микросхемы... и есть такое место где ток самый малый, потом дальше крутить, он вырастает в два-3 раза, потом дальше крутить он опять падает, но не так сильно. У меня потенциометер 4 килоом, а не 10, на всякий случай скажу. Раньше, было 20 килоом, несколько дней назад...
Но то место, где ток самый малый, действительно очень чувствительно, не так уж очень, но достаточно чувствительно.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2014, 10:32:39 AM »
C осцилиографом кое что выяснил. Частота ДЦ преобразователя у меня сперва 140 килогерц где-то и скважность грубо 50 процентов и амплитуда малая. Потом крутя потенциометер скважность растёт, амплитуда растёт и потом есть перелом, где частота в двое понижаетьсяи. Дальше крутя, амплитуда растёт, скважность растёт, частота в сути не меняеться. Начальная амплитуда где-то в 3-4 раза ниже чем докрутя потенциометер до конца. Это на катушке его смотрел. Сважность в конце где-то 95-98 процентов. Потребление самое малое, видемо, когда скважность около 50 и частота когда вдвое выше.

Ещё страно, что иногда начинает катушка жжужать, хоть вторая часть ещё не подключенна, вторая обмотка и вообще вторая микросхема отключенна.

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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2014, 10:44:50 AM »
hi HG8AD,

You have a valid point from photo.Same copper wire can be used without using another copper to link to circuit.
But do try to solder little further away from the gap if you are re-creating copper shield.

But your (cavity or gap) looks little funny it should be across the "bobbin area" for both side.Only one\left copper side is correct ,it seems your "gap" is twice as wide as the original device shown in video 4.
Just try to follow the original layout since it's working device.
If your untested version of copper shielding were to fail it will waste the time taken to wind a another coil."It will be as good as starting from scratch,afresh once more.But i got no say if you got time on your side" :)




Maybe a possible solution  :) ... mine is out of order unfortunately yet...   :(



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Re: 3v OU Flashlight
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2014, 10:57:31 AM »
 HG8AD, in first picture, I think, you good draw.
Когда катушка начинает жжудать, появляеться нейкий синус и причудливая осцилиограмма, а когда не жжужит, то обычные прямоуголники.
На картинке эта осцилиограма и обычный прямоуголник со скважностью 95 где-то процентов.  ;)