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Title: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 04:36:39 PM
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NEO.SX is a SCAM. Stay away.

Really.
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: Google on April 11, 2014, 06:39:06 PM
Well, as of February this year you can it seems.

There is this company that produces small solid state generators that require no input or maintenance and will steadily output up to 20kW of triphase 110v or 220v according to your wishes.

Want to lease a box? No problem.
Want to try one out for 25 days first? No problem.
Not satisfied? Return and get full refund.
Scales up from 3.5kW all the way to 20kW.
Delivery time 8 days world wide.
Cost < 3000 USD
5 years warrenty - 35 years maintenance free.

There is a contract to be signed where you state you may not tamper with or open the box AND you may not disclose the documentation that comes with it.

March 16, 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjHv20VKVb8

Product catalog: http://neo.sx/catalogo.pdf
Prices and conditions 2014: http://neo.sx/tarifa-y-condiciones-2014.pdf
Corporate website: http://www.neo.sx
All in spanish - sorry.

From this site I can see one was delivered to an electric car company that has run 2000miles on a box already: http://www.elektromobily-os.cz/blog/2014/04/01/neo-generadores-v-praxi/

Unfortunate date for publication (April 1). Hrm.

But, from that invoice we can determine several things:

1) at least 971 units have been delivered since March 4.
2) Tesla Energy is mentioned on the invoice - this is a subsidiary of Tesla Motors (!) Could it be?

I have no idea who is behind this and where this company is located. I am trying to contact them and see if I can become a distributor for my area - who knows I might get a few 10kW demonstration units.

If anyone has experience with them, please do tell.
If anyone wants to order a box - please do tell, maybe we can all chip in and get one for the OU prize?

AZ

Name - Joseph Michael Martin
Email - jmmjubilo@gmail.com
Location - Peru , Lima

More later. ;D


Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
About neo.sx

I found that the website is hosted in Washington DC.

The domain points to a company in the Dominican Republic.

Domain Name: NEO.SX
Domain ID: d4535-sx
Updated Date: 2013-07-05T19:30:58.890Z
Creation Date: 2013-07-05T19:30:56.882Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2014-07-05T19:30:56.882Z
Sponsoring Registrar: PDR Ltd.
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: C6601
Registrant Name: NEO
Registrant Organization: NEO
Registrant Street: Carretera la otra banda
Registrant Street: #22
Registrant City: La Altagracia
Registrant State/Province: Higuey
Registrant Postal Code: 00000
Registrant Country: DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Registrant Phone: +1.8296705042
Registrant Email: jmmjubilo@gmail.com
Admin ID: C6601
Admin Name: NEO
Admin Organization: NEO
Admin Street: Carretera la otra banda
Admin Street: #22
Admin City: La Altagracia
Admin State/Province: Higuey
Admin Postal Code: 00000
Admin Country: DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Admin Phone: +1.8296705042
Admin Email: jmmjubilo@gmail.com
Billing ID: C6601
Billing Name: NEO
Billing Organization: NEO
Billing Street: Carretera la otra banda
Billing Street: #22
Billing City: La Altagracia
Billing State/Province: Higuey
Billing Postal Code: 00000
Billing Country: DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Billing Phone: +1.8296705042
Billing Email: jmmjubilo@gmail.com
Tech ID: C6601
Tech Name: NEO
Tech Organization: NEO
Tech Street: Carretera la otra banda
Tech Street: #22
Tech City: La Altagracia
Tech State/Province: Higuey
Tech Postal Code: 00000
Tech Country: DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Tech Phone: +1.8296705042
Tech Email: jmmjubilo@gmail.com
Name Server: cp5.hostdominicano.com
Name Server: cp6.hostdominicano.com
DNSSEC: unsigned
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2014-04-11T16:39:58.886Z <<<
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Name - Joseph Michael Martin
Email - jmmjubilo@gmail.com
Location - Peru , Lima

More later. ;D

Ah. So not Dominican Republic.

Searching for that email address I get more videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR3tfG59qfhQrZzNsEpw8YA/videos

Could this be a prototype??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3kyjaIPONU



Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 06:54:12 PM
Ah. So not Dominican Republic.

Searching for that email address I get more videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR3tfG59qfhQrZzNsEpw8YA/videos

Could this be a prototype??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3kyjaIPONU

Nah - I do not think this has anything to do with Tesla's patents. (looking at the setup).
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: e2matrix on April 11, 2014, 07:01:25 PM
Interesting!   If they are in Spain there is a very sharp person on another energy forum who is in Spain.   I'll try contacting him to see if he knows anything about it and if not if he might be able to look into it.   The web site www.neo.sx does have a contact form.   I'd suggest writing up some questions and using Google translate to put them into Spanish (and let them know you are using Google as it's not always 100% perfect).    Seems free energy devices are finally coming out every where.   Let's hope this one is real.   
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: e2matrix on April 11, 2014, 07:11:55 PM
Anyone can get a web site hosted anywhere as long as they have a way to pay for it.   Many web hosting services accept PayPal so it's easy to setup from anywhere.   Assuming they might want to keep their location off the radar this would be a good way to accomplish that - at least until they ship a unit.   Not saying they aren't where whois.com says they are but it is not good to assume.   Also there are protections built in to many web hosting services that alter the apparent location of a domain.   I know some one with a U.S. based web host and they are in the U.S.  but whois.com shows they are based in Australia because they use the 'protection' feature.   
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 07:14:57 PM
Interesting!   If they are in Spain there is a very sharp person on another energy forum who is in Spain.   I'll try contacting him to see if he knows anything about it and if not if he might be able to look into it.   The web site www.neo.sx does have a contact form.   I'd suggest writing up some questions and using Google translate to put them into Spanish (and let them know you are using Google as it's not always 100% perfect).    Seems free energy devices are finally coming out every where.   Let's hope this one is real.

Well I have sent them a message (I am in Spain myself). No Google, I'm fluent in Spanish, Dutch, English, German and French. (lol)
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 07:17:55 PM
Interesting!   If they are in Spain there is a very sharp person on another energy forum who is in Spain.   I'll try contacting him to see if he knows anything about it and if not if he might be able to look into it. 

Awesome.

I want two 10kW boxes, one for my house, the other for my electric car.

Now if only I had the money...:)
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: conradelektro on April 11, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
If you look at the prices http://neo.sx/tarifa-y-condiciones-2014.pdf , you will read the following condition:

-­‐ El pago se realiza 60% al confirmer el pedido y 40% contra entrega.

-­‐ El pago de la fianza se realiza cuando se firma el contrato.

-­‐ La fianza se paga en el momento de realizer la gestión de envío.

A hardly understand any Spanish, but it seems to say that you have to pay 60% up front.

Least expensive option:

CUOTA MENSUAL $USD 55,40

IMPORTE annual $USD 665.--

FIANZA $USD 680.--

In sum 1400,40 , 60% is 840,24


Or you have to pay the "FIANZA" of 680.-- up front.

So you have to give this firm 840.-- or 680.-- before you get anything. Well, what will you get after having sent them 840.-- or 680.-- (or more if you want a more expensive option)?


Please try it and tell us about your experience.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warrenty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 07:29:48 PM
If you look at the prices http://neo.sx/tarifa-y-condiciones-2014.pdf , you will read the following condition:

-­‐ El pago se realiza 60% al confirmer el pedido y 40% contra entrega.

-­‐ El pago de la fianza se realiza cuando se firma el contrato.

-­‐ La fianza se paga en el momento de realizer la gestión de envío.

A hardly understand any Spanish, but it seems to say that you have to pay 60% up front.

Least expensive option:

CUOTA MENSUAL $USD 55,40

IMPORTE annual $USD 665.--

FIANZA $USD 680.--

In sum 1400,40 , 60% is 840,24


Or you have to pay the "FIANZA" of 680.-- up front.

So you have to give this firm 840.-- or 680.-- before you get anything. Well, what will you get after having sent them 840.-- or 680.-- (or more if you want a more expensive option)?


Please try it and tell us about your experience.

Greetings, Conrad

I'm broke!!!

lol

I've asked them to come in here and what I need to do to become a distributor here in Spain.
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 11, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
Ok guys, forget it.   IT IS A SCAM. Ugh.

I found this video: http://vimeo.com/91089086

Someone actually went to Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic for a demonstration recently and found out they are frauds. The "generators" most likely only contain a set of batteries in parrallel with a sine wave inverter. :(

Bummer.

What is the kicker is that there is an organization chart of neo.sx here: http://neo.sx/juntadirectiva.html
And guess what: they used public domain pictures for their management.

Here is the "president": http://es.123rf.com/search.php?word=5955324&imgtype=0&t_word=&t_lang=en
And here the "vice-president" center page right: http://aproni.org/site/index.php/conocenos/organigrama

Well shit! Looks like I have debunked my own thread.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS - DO NOT ORDER.
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: Google on April 12, 2014, 12:16:57 AM
ROFL ;D ;D

Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on April 12, 2014, 01:51:42 AM
ROFL ;D ;D

lmao - nice pic
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: e2matrix on May 26, 2014, 05:46:04 PM
They now state due to systematic attacks and death threats that they are
releasing all details of construction for free to anyone who wants to build their own.   Documents include :
- 65 detailed technical drawings for construction of the matrix core.
- 46 electric and electronic schematics. (ALL THAT MAKE UP THE SYSTEM)
- 32 planes Annual Assembly operation of all components.
- 250 high resolution photographs showing in detail the internal parts.
- 35 videos (13 hours) of total length explaining in detail the operational assembly.
- 12 videos (7 hours) of  the total length explaining the construction of the core matrix.
-  65 technical drawings of the construction of the chassis and internal supports.
- Telephone contacts and addresses of all our material suppliers.

Generator is made to run 35 years.   Documentation provided on paper and on an 8GB USB pendrive.  Only catch is it costs about $25 U.S. dollars to have it delivered.   A bargain if it's for real.     I wouldn't consider this a closed case yet if the PTB are trying to debunk it the first thing they do is make it look like a scam.    I think we need someone in Spain to pay them a visit.    Or someone with a spare few bucks to get the plans.   
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: conradelektro on May 26, 2014, 06:49:54 PM
They now state due to systematic attacks and death threats that they are
releasing all details of construction for free to anyone who wants to build their own.

What keeps them from putting all these documents on their web site and all the videos on YouTube? This would then be "for free to anyone".

The death threads are most likely from people who sent them money and did not get anything useful. And the systematic atacks are probably from the land lord who did not get rent for some time.

This scam is just too stupid, no style, just blunt.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: e2matrix on May 26, 2014, 11:11:41 PM
What keeps them from putting all these documents on their web site and all the videos on YouTube? This would then be "for free to anyone".

The death threads are most likely from people who sent them money and did not get anything useful. And the systematic atacks are probably from the land lord who did not get rent for some time.

This scam is just too stupid, no style, just blunt.

Greetings, Conrad
Based on their statement that the documents would be sent out in paper and on an 8 gigabyte pendrive that tells me that they likely have between 4 gigabytes and 8 gigabytes of data to share.   That would be a prohibitively large download for anyone with a modem and even at DSL speeds can take many hours.   It's all speculation at this point though ....     But one well respected energy researcher in Spain will be trying to contact them and find out more.   I honestly don't expect this is real but I will do all I can to thoroughly check it out just as one would scientifically investigate an energy device I think it is good practice to thoroughly investigate any web site that claims to be selling free energy devices and to have open sourced their documents.   
Also the OP didn't really give much info about why he decided it was a scam except a Spanish video which doesn't show much and his statement that 'someone told him it was fake after going to a demo in the Dominican Republic'.    I just need more than that.   For all we know the person telling him it was fake is part of the group of people who make sure none of this technology gets out to the public.   
Best case scenario to verify if this is real or not is to have someone visit the company and get all the info they can.   If it's real they should allow tests to be done on site.   
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: RudyRAb on June 02, 2014, 02:20:25 AM
Any news on this?
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: AquariuZ on June 09, 2014, 06:28:44 PM
What keeps them from putting all these documents on their web site and all the videos on YouTube? This would then be "for free to anyone".

The death threads are most likely from people who sent them money and did not get anything useful. And the systematic atacks are probably from the land lord who did not get rent for some time.

This scam is just too stupid, no style, just blunt.

Greetings, Conrad

Agreed 100%

They are trying to milk every last bit out of this setup before they rinse and repeat.

AZ
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: FatBird on March 03, 2015, 10:27:37 PM
Does anyone know anything about the complete PLANS for
$25 mentioned by e2matrix almost a year ago?
                                                                                                                                          .
Title: Re: If you could buy a Tesla Black Box with warranty, would you? Introducing neo.sx
Post by: perexime on March 04, 2015, 11:27:45 AM
Forget it, its an scam and a shame for us spanish free energy people.
Well we have two shames, the bullfights and this.