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Title: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 01:51:29 AM

[size=78%]Tree Power[/size]


Someone  pls paste this pdf to topic who knows how,  I have not figured it out yet.

Title: Re: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
39200 Jules of energy is created when 400 grams is dropped 10 meters this equals 19600 watts.  Divide that by the amount of centimeters in 10 meters gives us 19.6 watts per centimeter of drop.  This is a huge amount of harvestable energy from just capturing the free movement of a tree.




http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobj.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobj.html)


http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htm (http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htm)



Title: Re: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: fritznien on April 06, 2014, 09:56:32 PM
39200 Jules of energy is created when 400 grams is dropped 10 meters this equals 19600 watts.  Divide that by the amount of centimeters in 10 meters gives us 19.6 watts per centimeter of drop.  This is a huge amount of harvestable energy from just capturing the free movement of a tree.




http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobj.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobj.html)


http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htm (http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htm)


energy is mgh where m is kilograms h is height in meters and g is 9.8 meters per second per second
the rsult is in newten meters.
10*9.8*.4=39.2
your off by just a bit.
also its joules to watt seconds so the wattage is also dependant on time.
Title: Re: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: CANGAS on April 07, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
This is better than building a windmill generator the same size as your tree?

Maybe so. Maybe not.

Please explain.



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Title: Re: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: Hope on April 08, 2014, 10:35:12 AM
Do you have to do maintenance on a tree?  With all the money you don't have to spend can you also build the device on many other trees?  How simple the design is and how many types of storage of energy can you make?


Water pressure, Physical force, air pressure, pure electrical generation....etc.  Why not expand to many trees since this would be so inexpensive to build over and over.   Also this is portable and light compared to a full size windmill.  Who do you trust more:  man who builds a wind generator or God who makes all trees.    Surely I am kidding with that last statement.  But it is also true.  Think about how much of the unit is self maintaining and needs not upkeep by us.  Trees are nearly everywhere.  By storing many trees energy waiting for the next breeze will not be before the energy is gone.   In severe weather (winter) there will be lots of energy available to store.





Title: Re: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: MarkE on April 08, 2014, 10:48:37 AM
39200 Jules of energy is created when 400 grams is dropped 10 meters this equals 19600 watts.  Divide that by the amount of centimeters in 10 meters gives us 19.6 watts per centimeter of drop.  This is a huge amount of harvestable energy from just capturing the free movement of a tree.




http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobj.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobj.html)


http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htm (http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htm)
I think that maybe you are having trouble with units and scaling: 400g dropped from 10m yields 39.2J potential energy loss.  In order to generate 19600 Watts by dropping mass from 10m height, you need to drop:  19,600N*m/s *1/10m*1kg/9.8N = 200kg/s.  Think of that as a little more than 50 gallons of water per second falling from the top of a three story building.
Title: Re: Using Trees Wind Flex to Store Kinetic Energy
Post by: Hope on April 08, 2014, 11:28:59 AM
Great edit Mark,  thank you.   If we use material found in forests like old logs as weights that should not be difficult to find and use as the dead weight.   I am excited about this work and am going to do some hands on time getting data gathered.  It does NOT mean anyone interested about this to just stop seeking.  You can also work on this project.  The basis shows there is a huge amount of energy to be returned using this method, so let's see what the group mind can do.