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Author Topic: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger  (Read 27877 times)

Offline antigrav89

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2017, 03:58:38 PM »
Hi ag89,

Thank you for the lecture on scalar waves.  I do have some comments
I thought the laws of electromagnetism are the equations.  So I don't see why particular solutions should be considered as non-electromagnetic, even when the fields "simultaneously" null.  The facts that the fields null does not mean that the quanta, the virtual particles of space, are absent, it is just that their measurable effects cancel.  And using the term "measurable" brings into focus your use of the word "simultaneously".  That infers an instant in time but we know that as we look at smaller and smaller time intervals, although on average the field quanta null, their presence in terms of individual number or amplitude density do not.In your opinion, others have a different view.Now you have wandered into what actually comprises the vacuum medium and whether or not it can be stressed.That is an over-simplification.Now you have assumed that there is a current flow, which demands that there be something present to create that flow, indeed your negative resistance effect implies a voltage hence an E field.  If there is some directional force on your conduction positrons, then by definition there is an E field present, and that will create the same direction of current as for conduction electrons, so no negative resistance effects.
But there will be no electric current, no effective charge movement.  So you can't call it a superconducting current.No comment.Now you have wandered away from the quantum world and IMO opinion that is a mistake.  The dynamical vacuum does not behave like a compressible fluid.I have no argument with that, but I fail to see the connection with your imaginary vacuum fluid.

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Hi Smudge,

Here are my answers to your questions.

The Maxwell equations deal with classical (non relativistic, non quantum) macroscopic E-field and B-Fields.
The measured current and voltage in a circuit are time-averaged values, so noise effects caused by quantum and thermic fluctuations have not to be taken into account. 
When E-field and B-field are simultaneously null at a point of space, the electromagnetic density of energy at that point is also null.
So the scalar waves do not involve electromagnetic energy but another form of energy coming from the outer medium.
When dealing matter-radiation interaction from a quantum point of view, E-field and B-Field are of no use, only electrostatic and vector potential matter.

The mainstream physics interpretes the magnetic and electric Aharonov-Bohm effects as quantum-level interactions between the electrons and the electromagnetic potentials.
There is another interpretation that consider that the Aharonov-Bohm magnetic experiment can be explained by the interaction of the electrons moving B-Field with the static solenoid B-Field.

IMO, the magnetic flux lines density increase when passing through a magnet, applies a stress to the vacuum, which is compressed in the process.
 
I agree, my definition of electric resistance was over-simplified: conduction electrons interact with the lattice metal ions and the topological or chemical defects present in the metallic material, causing radiation resistance losses and Joule effect heating.

We must go beyond the classical electromagnetic vision (voltage, E-Field...) to consider matter and energy transfer from a general point of view: whenever a matter or energy density difference is created between two regions of space (gradient), a current flowing from the higher energy (or matter) density region to the lower energy density (or matter) appears to restore the equilibrium.

We have to abandon the classical electromagnetic view of matter as particles interacting with E-field and B-Field and consider, instead, propagating wave functions interacting with potentials, from the quantum electrodynamical point of view.
The electron-positron super-current must not be considered as the simple superposition of a matter and antimatter flows (that would annihilate instantaneously), but as a mixed entangled quantum state, behaving like a bosonic field (permitting the creation of Bose-Einstein condensates), composed of two correlated wave functions travelling in phase.
A pure positronic current cannot exist because it would immediately annihilate when put in contact with ordinary matter.

Quantum decoherence effects are of prime importance for the propagation of waves over long distances (comparatively with atomic distances) in a material.
If these effects occur, the charge-carrying propagating waves loses their coherence (they are submitted to random dephasages) and the associated current is destroyed.

Why the vacuum could not be modeled as a compressible fluid?
This model has the advantage to only allow waves to propagate with a finite velocity in the vacuum medium (as sound waves in air), thus rejecting "action at a distance" concept  which, IMO, is a complete physical non sense.
In 1903, Whittaker has showed that if a particle emits spherical (retarded) waves (time-dependent) in all frequencies, propagating with the same velocity, a coulombian-type potential (independent of time) is created.
If we consider that material particles as continuously coupled with the vacuum and in stationary equilibrium with it, the particle receiving energy from the vacuum
and radiating all this energy, Whittaker's approach takes all its physical sense.
 
The connection with the vacuum fluid model is of the utmost importance to explain how vacuum fluctuations could cohere and be stabilized to be usable.
Vacuum compression effect is what makes this possible.
The Heisenberg principle of uncertainty permits virtual matter-antimatter particle pairs (vacum fluctuations) to exist only during a very short time but not to interact each other or with particles matter.
Sufficient distance reduction between them, by medium compression action, might allow to these interactions to occur.
For example, below Fermi level electrons might gain kinetic energy by collisions with vacuum fluctuation and be promoted to the metal conduction band.
But such processes imply that system entropy can be reducted, by transitions from chaotic to ordered states.
One could argue that such transitions violate the second law of thermodynamics.
But, it is not the case here, because this law, that states that the entropy of a physical system must always increase with time, only applies to systems at equilibrium state (the systems we study are open quantum out of equilibrium systems).

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2017, 05:20:52 PM »
Hi ag89,

You said
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whenever a matter or energy density difference is created between two regions of space (gradient), a current flowing from the higher energy (or matter) density region to the lower energy density (or matter) appears to restore the equilibrium

I think the problem lies in your use of the word "current".  That automatically implies an electric current or charge transport and I don't think you mean that.  The flow can be neutral matter or just some form of energy.

It is quite clear that you and I have completely different views on what constitutes the dynamical vacuum.  You say
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We have to abandon the classical electromagnetic view of matter as particles interacting with E-field and B-Field and consider, instead, propagating wave functions interacting with potentials, from the quantum electrodynamical point of view.
I don't see it that way as that implies some medium through which the the wave functions can propagate, it doesn't tell you what that medium is.  I also reject "action at a distance", but I take Einstein's view of mass-less particles (or rather particles of zero rest mass) always travelling through space at velocity c.  So my space is filled with these virtual particles at enormous density, and the real interactions with our matter particles (like electrons) is with these space things.  These "things", although having zero rest mass, do carry momentum and energy and also spin.  They are the building block of photons, so they could be called sub-photons, and they are the reason that photons can appear as both wave-like and particle-like.  What we consider as propagating waves are simply some sort of pattern superimposed on the enormous quantity of space particles whizzing through our space in all directions, and that pattern comes from interaction (absorption/emission) with our matter particles.  In a way this is a theory of everything since it can account for electric, magnetic, gravitation and inertia.  Our classical equations are replaced with "rules of engagement" between matter particles and the space particles, with the appearance of force on the matter particle coming automatically from conservation of its momentum vector over the absorption-emission process.

However this is merely of academic interest, it doesn't explain how Coler's Stromerzeuger might have worked.  I am much taken with the Inverse Corbino Effect as an explanation as the Corbino effect is known to create negative resistance under the right conditions, see for example the attached patent.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2017, 04:21:10 PM »
Hi ag89,

You said
I think the problem lies in your use of the word "current".  That automatically implies an electric current or charge transport and I don't think you mean that.  The flow can be neutral matter or just some form of energy.

It is quite clear that you and I have completely different views on what constitutes the dynamical vacuum.  You sayI don't see it that way as that implies some medium through which the the wave functions can propagate, it doesn't tell you what that medium is.  I also reject "action at a distance", but I take Einstein's view of mass-less particles (or rather particles of zero rest mass) always travelling through space at velocity c.  So my space is filled with these virtual particles at enormous density, and the real interactions with our matter particles (like electrons) is with these space things.  These "things", although having zero rest mass, do carry momentum and energy and also spin.  They are the building block of photons, so they could be called sub-photons, and they are the reason that photons can appear as both wave-like and particle-like.  What we consider as propagating waves are simply some sort of pattern superimposed on the enormous quantity of space particles whizzing through our space in all directions, and that pattern comes from interaction (absorption/emission) with our matter particles.  In a way this is a theory of everything since it can account for electric, magnetic, gravitation and inertia.  Our classical equations are replaced with "rules of engagement" between matter particles and the space particles, with the appearance of force on the matter particle coming automatically from conservation of its momentum vector over the absorption-emission process.

However this is merely of academic interest, it doesn't explain how Coler's Stromerzeuger might have worked.  I am much taken with the Inverse Corbino Effect as an explanation as the Corbino effect is known to create negative resistance under the right conditions, see for example the attached patent.

Smudge

Hi Smudge,

IMO, vacuum energy structure has two different components : bulk energy and fluctuation energy.

All particles of matter (including electron) have finite size (I refute point particles hypothesis) and so an internal physical structure.

Imagine a static isotropic vacuum at equilibrium with particles. Particles, which can be described as local energy density excess, would appear like perfect rigid spheres at rest, vacuum exerting equals and opposite pressure forces.
In such a vacuum, particle have no mass, no charge and no spin.

But particles are not static objects, they are continuously exchanging energy with the vacuum. They behave like energy emitter-absorber entities and the local energy density they contain continuously pulsate at very high frequencies (according to Bohm's interpretation). These oscillations create perturbations (vacuum fluctuations) into the vacuum energy that becomes turbulent  causing the particle to vibrate around its equiibrium position and rotate in order to dissipate the kinetic energy it gained from the "collisions" with the vacuum fluctuations to restore its equilibrium.
Vacuum fluid reacts in order to oppose to these perturbations by increasing its density around the particle creating inertia that manifests as mass and charge.

All charged particle have a mass and a spin.  So electromagnetism and gravity (and quantum mechanics) must be linked in a way.
Whittaker's hypothesis, which associates gravitational potential to propagating scalar waves (mirroring electromagnetism waves) give us the missing link between electromagnetism and gravitation.

According to Big Bang model, all the matter in our universe was created from vacuum energy matter-antimatter particle pairs.
To be allowed to exist, matter had to be separated in a very short time from antimatter,if not we should not exist. But where is the antimatter now?
So, if astrophyics' hypothesis about the origin of mattter  is correct, Nature has found a way to extract matter from matter-antimatter particle pairs.
Whether this way is reachable to human science is another matter.

Moreover, the experiment that Coler uses in the B.I.O.S. report as a proof to the excess of energy at opening versus closing impulse for validating the principle operation of his machines might have been the same experiment that was carried out by Helmholtz with a du Bois-Reymond's induction coil in 1869.

The Corbino/Hall effect involves that a radial electric current flows from the center of magnet to its periphery.
I have seen elsewhere that the main effect resulting from an electric current flowing through a bulk ferromagnetic material is to produce important heating effects in the magnet due to its high electrical resistance. So, IMO electric current only flows on the surface of the cylindrical magnet. I am not so sure that the wire magnet are fixed directly on the surface of core magnet (on the Norrby patent. there might be no wire magnet, but only a isolated wire running through the core to pre-magnetize it). On the page 24 in the B.I.O.S. report,  relating to experiment 2 paragraph, it is said that "the other winding is connected in series with the pre-magnetized steel rod [...] in such a way that the secondary current must pass through the magnet". In the magnetostromapparat, the ends of the secondary are soldered at the surface of the magnet. Electrons arrive at on end, pass through the surface magnet and are collected at the other end. A difference of potential is kept between these two ends because of the electric difference of conductivity between copper coil wire and  iron core magnet, thus creating an accumulation of charges at the current injection point that cause these charges to  flow towards the other winding end to cancel the charge unbalance.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2017, 07:04:27 PM »
So IMO the S device is still a mystery, and I think all possible avenues should be explored. 

Hi Smudge,

I fully agree with you on that point.
If the magnetic amplification effects were enough for fully explaining how the Coler's devices work, why nobody till now seems to have succeeded at replicating (and possibly improving) the M device?

Like you, I believe things are not so simple and the complete solution might come from the crossing between the promising magnetic energy harvesting methods, which aim to use environmental parasitic magnetic noise arising from the ubiquous electromagnetic pollution to power small electronic devices and wireless network sensors, and the researches carried out in the magnetic material properties area in the exploration of the interactions between electronic and spin currents and magnetic structures as skyrmions.

Vacuum fluctuations might also play a role in this scheme. If the vacuum can be described as a compressible fluid, contraints applied on it might force the vacuum fluctuations to have enough time to interact and stabilize themselves as real coherent intricated correlated quantum electron-positron pairs states. Such electrically neutral entities  might transfer kinetic energy  to weakly bound electrons by elastic collision and promote them to the Fermi band conduction increasing the electric current flow or behave as Cooper's pairs (accelerated by the unidirectional movement of the active vacuum medium created by the synchronized displacements of the atomic nuclei submitted to DC voltage pulses), but not submitted to any electric resistance from the lattice metal ions, giving birth to a new form of superconductivity (at room temperature!).

Antigrav89

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2017, 01:08:01 AM »
My paper looks at the magnetized iron rods as transmission lines and since they are connected to capacitor plates there is the possibility that this could be the means by which some form of self-oscillation takes place.



Hi smudge.


When electric current is passed through a magnetized rod
Something else occurs, that is hard to explain without a whole lot of
other unrelated conversations.
But the basic experiments are laid out in an old scientific journal
By the British Royal society
And later pladgerized by Ed. Leedskalnin as an experiment in
his book “Magnetic Current”.


In short, it can create a magnetic conductive field in free space
(or at least in air)
that acts as a wire, separate from the iron itself.
in fact, once established, the iron can even be removed
without interupting the circuit.


Little is known about the resistance value of these magnetic pathways




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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2017, 05:12:09 PM »

But the basic experiments are laid out in an old scientific journal
By the British Royal society


Hi sm0ky2,

Do you have the reference of this article?

if my understanding of the phenomena you are talking to is correct, it would mean that a current (associated to a charge density wave or a energy density scalar field?) would flow through the air gaps (and possibly into the vacuum) between the magnet-coils, arranged in a ring in the Coler's M machine geometrical configuration, channeled by the magnetic flux lines to create a current loop. Such transport energy model has also been proposed for explaining Sweet Floyd's VTA operating mode. The role played by the magnetic medium would thus only be to collect and concentrate environmental magnetic energy (like a magnetic antenna) to reach the required threshold necessary to inititiate the transport energy process.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2018, 12:26:40 AM »
Vacuum fluctuations might also play a role in this scheme. If the vacuum can be described as a compressible fluid, constraints applied on it might force the vacuum fluctuations to have enough time to interact and stabilize themselves as real coherent entangled correlated quantum electron-positron pairs states.

Real photons might also been materialized from (stabilized) vacuum fluctuations into the ferromagnetic medium and transfer their energy to valence electrons that could be promoted to the Fermi conduction band and amplify the electric current.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2018, 12:37:57 PM »
@antigrav


sorry, once I uncovered Ed’s fraud I got lost in the Society’s journals
There are literally tens of thousands of anomalous experiments that
never made public attention. One could spend a lifetime on this journey.


This particular effect has been studied in recent times by Intel and IBM,
among others. I’ll try to dig up some data for you.


My experience with it, it is affected by switching or make/break circuit
a minimum current level is required, but can occur at as low as 6-12v


My curiosity here, is that when the circuit is active, and the magnets are
moved out of the original magnetic path,
are these free-space pathways present in this device?


If we had a device that was ‘functioning’ we could test this by probing the space
where the magnet first sat. As the pathways are semi-superconductive
along their length, and generally of substantial radius as to allow their detection.


another way to test would be to disconnect one of the wires to the magnetic
material. You will know if a magnetic pathway is activated because the circuit
will still be closed, though physically ‘open’.






 

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