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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1997813 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3870 on: August 22, 2015, 06:35:48 AM »
Just like I predicted LOL

me: “I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios “

you: “you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam .”

MarkE so predictable...which makes me think, what type of ladder is this guy climbing in a real life reality? hehehehe

WHAT is your HopeGuy? = based on your intelligence you should be able to prescribe a pill to save money to any person being robbed by big brother? Right?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3871 on: August 22, 2015, 06:37:18 AM »
You don't understand how climbing a ladder works in the mind do you? You climb and climb then hit a road block which you may fall and die but the climbing never stops. The QEG is just a step in the ladder to climb….BUT WAIT...what is this ladder for? To climb over a roof to repair an HVAC unit or to climb and get a cat down from a tree? Why do we need ladders in this life? Are you climbing a ladder yourself or do you like to stay put static?

We have two things going on here with your “intelligence” 1)you want a QEG for free spoon fed 2)you don't understand corruption, which your stance for that is that the QEG is corrupted...so doing the math, your ladder does not make sense….if you want to find JUSTICE against corruption, how do you feel about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin

Basically judge judy makes 45 million a year BUT only works for 52 days (imagine how much money the producers are making and the CEO?)…..explain the logic and justification regarding that justice and well being for the people, NOW, and this is important, COMPARE the injustice of her earnings with the “earnings” of the QEG?

Sometimes you need to get out of your bubble bro :P

I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios, but it is what it is the truth of all ladders always prevails :)

Joel:

Please get real here.  Either you do not know how real business works or, you are just trying to act stupid.  Judge Judy does not hold a gun to anyone's head to get paid what she gets.  She gets ratings, which are closely monitored, and her pay is based upon that.  The producers sell advertising based upon these rates.  So, she earns her pay.  If only 3 people watched her show...she would be fired.  They are not paying her this money because they like her.  She makes money for them, a lot of money.

Please take a remedial business class before making any more posts like this one.  Business is business.  You will call it greed.  But, how many folks that work on her set are getting paid and have a job?  The advertisers make money also, otherwise they would not do it.  So, all of the folks that work for those companies also get paid.  They can all feed their families.  Do you not want them to do that?  Do you want everyone to be unemployed?

I find it comical that you think the JB Weld folks are selling a product that cures under water (millions of sales) that does not cure under water UNLESS you see it happening.

Please take a remedial chemistry class before accusing them of selling something that can not work unless you see it work.  It does work.  I have used it and so have millions of others.  So, I guess you will continue to claim that no epoxy can cure under water?

I can buy you some and send it to you and you can see for yourself.  But,  I can't afford to finance your stupidity.

Bill

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3872 on: August 22, 2015, 07:17:05 AM »
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Please get real here.  Either you do not know how real business works or, you are just trying to act stupid.  Judge Judy does not hold a gun to anyone's head to get paid what she gets.  She gets ratings, which are closely monitored, and her pay is based upon that.  The producers sell advertising based upon these rates.  So, she earns her pay.  If only 3 people watched her show...she would be fired.  They are not paying her this money because they like her.  She makes money for them, a lot of money.

Please take a remedial business class before making any more posts like this one.  Business is business.  You will call it greed.  But, how many folks that work on her set are getting paid and have a job?  The advertisers make money also, otherwise they would not do it.  So, all of the folks that work for those companies also get paid.  They can all feed their families.  Do you not want them to do that?  Do you want everyone to be unemployed?

This is coming from a guy that works TWO jobs to put food on the table and is all set and done with social security pay checks? :P

Plus, you don't understand how advertising commercials work since they are there to brain wash you to the point that you don't know what is right and what is wrong...you just keep on buying and buying you figuring out what works and what is just a bunch of HYPE to make a profit. Remember ShamWow?

Bill, you need to differentiate between what is writen on paper and what is the real life scenarios. Which right now you are trying very hard to make someone understand that your BELIEFS are the ULTIMATE 100% to follow but the LADDER does not make sense in the climbing your mental path!

Why are you not making 4 mill (or 1 mill) a year by working only two month a year? As a matter of fact, you can't see the MEDIA manipulation in that example! There is no justice in that? That is just taking advantage of a loop hole which a lot of greeedy people take advantage off...again, why do you work two jobs to put food on the table if you understand what is going on there? :P

Let me guess, you want to be told that you are right to get chocolate chip cookies and a glass of milk? = selfish (unable to look at different ladders in the world = equality truth!)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3873 on: August 22, 2015, 08:00:04 AM »
This is coming from a guy that works TWO jobs to put food on the table and is all set and done with social security pay checks? :P

Plus, you don't understand how advertising commercials work since they are there to brain wash you to the point that you don't know what is right and what is wrong...you just keep on buying and buying you figuring out what works and what is just a bunch of HYPE to make a profit. Remember ShamWow?

Bill, you need to differentiate between what is writen on paper and what is the real life scenarios. Which right now you are trying very hard to make someone understand that your BELIEFS are the ULTIMATE 100% to follow but the LADDER does not make sense in the climbing your mental path!

Why are you not making 4 mill (or 1 mill) a year by working only two month a year? As a matter of fact, you can't see the MEDIA manipulation in that example! There is no justice in that? That is just taking advantage of a loop hole which a lot of greeedy people take advantage off...again, why do you work two jobs to put food on the table if you understand what is going on there? :P

Let me guess, you want to be told that you are right to get chocolate chip cookies and a glass of milk? = selfish (unable to look at different ladders in the world = equality truth!)

I have no idea what you are talking about Joel.  I receive no money from the government...social security or otherwise.  Where do you get these ideas of yours?  I make as much money as I want/need.

What do you mean...."written on paper"?  Are you still insisting that JB Weld will not work underwater because they claim it does?  What part of I have used it underwater before do you not understand?

I am going to give up on you Joel.  Profits to you are evil yet, the profit motive is what has brought ALL of the great advances of our society.  All of them.  Someone invented and marketed and sold the toilet paper that you use.  Should they have done that for free?  Why would they?  Should the hard working folks at the toilet paper factory also work for free?  What sort of dream world do you live in Joel?  You need toilet paper so, all of those folks should work for free...is that it Joel?  Is this really how you look at life?

I feel very, very sad for you.  Just look around at the products that you use and tell me which ones would still be available if no one made any money for thinking of them, producing them, and selling them.  Should they all have done so for free just so you can use them?  Now it is you that sound greedy Joel.  I mean, really, you want all of these people to work for nothing just so you can have free products?  What I like to call "The real world" does not work like this Joel.  Maybe one day you can learn this.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3874 on: August 22, 2015, 09:22:52 AM »
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I have no idea what you are talking about Joel.  I receive no money from the government...social security or otherwise.  Where do you get these ideas of yours?  I make as much money as I want/need.

MAN OH MAN, just tell me how much you make an hour? Pffft! You will get a very quick idea after you mention that!

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What do you mean...."written on paper"?  Are you still insisting that JB Weld will not work underwater because they claim it does?  What part of I have used it underwater before do you not understand?

OH bill bill bill, does not know the difference between peak watts VS RMS watts in a speaker, = same difference. Bill does not understand the difference between written on paper and real life...ah WELLL!!!

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I am going to give up on you Joel.  Profits to you are evil yet, the profit motive is what has brought ALL of the great advances of our society.  All of them.  Someone invented and marketed and sold the toilet paper that you use.  Should they have done that for free?  Why would they?  Should the hard working folks at the toilet paper factory also work for free?  What sort of dream world do you live in Joel?  You need toilet paper so, all of those folks should work for free...is that it Joel?  Is this really how you look at life?

Many smart people have given up on you already bill. LOL which I should learn from them. What do you have to teach to world? NOTHING! Not even in the evolution of ideas! One last question I have for you intelligent Bill, tel me how the money system works?

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I feel very, very sad for you.  Just look around at the products that you use and tell me which ones would still be available if no one made any money for thinking of them, producing them, and selling them.  Should they all have done so for free just so you can use them?  Now it is you that sound greedy Joel.  I mean, really, you want all of these people to work for nothing just so you can have free products?  What I like to call "The real world" does not work like this Joel.  Maybe one day you can learn this.

Bill you need to understand that GREEED puts a price on everything and anything….to learn something = pay money. To get electricity = pay money. To eat food, pay money. To buy a piece of land, pay money.

How many property taxes are you paying for your dirt property?

I'm just the type of person that goes straight to the root! NO SUGAR COATING ANYTHING NO IF AND WHATS ABOUT IT...point blank ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROOTS!

Now I’m sure you are not living a 100% happy life with money! I KNOW!!! If you know so much about other stuff, how have you solved your problems regarding MONEY? I'm sure you don't have $30,000 US dollars in the bank?

I feel sad for you and the reason I fight for injustice, to FIGHT AGAIST THE INJUSTACE. If you feel like a person that does not need help, then GOOD FOR YOU but based on the way you speak here, you need lots of help or just someone to make you laugh to get by the hard times! ← pretty easy to see.

lol, i thought i had logged out of this forum...then i saw i was still logged in and saw bill pity response which i responded to and can respond to all his blah blah blah lol.

Bill is the ULTIMATE intelligence to response to right? lol (seriously, I laughed out loud)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3875 on: August 22, 2015, 01:03:26 PM »
Just like I predicted LOL

me: “I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios “

you: “you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam .”

MarkE so predictable...which makes me think, what type of ladder is this guy climbing in a real life reality? hehehehe

WHAT is your HopeGuy? = based on your intelligence you should be able to prescribe a pill to save money to any person being robbed by big brother? Right?
Now you have lowered your rhetoric to personal attack.  Nice.  Through all of this you have offered no evidence, (because there isn't any) that the QEG claims of either Thrapp, or the Robitailles are true.  They claim, they collect money, they eventually go away.  They never deliver.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3876 on: August 22, 2015, 01:23:42 PM »

This sums up the situation effectively:

http://www.cawh.000a.biz/special.htm

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3877 on: August 22, 2015, 02:06:13 PM »
And I thought the New Age forums were full of nutters, OU seems to attract just as many.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3878 on: August 22, 2015, 04:40:09 PM »

I thought how my response would look like, if I was to answer the  questions by myself.

just tell me how much you make an hour?

I do not work for anyone apart  for me so I make per given hour nothing or few thousand ( several thousands), and there is  no steady  average every year is different.
I'm not wealthy person.
conclusion:
It is always better to be paid for your brain power than for your muscles power.
 
the difference between peak watts VS RMS watts in a speaker,


"root mean square.": A DC voltage that will produce the same heating effect (power output in Watts) as the AC voltage. For a sine wave, the RMS value is equal to 0.707 times the peak value of an AC voltage. Example: divide Peak-to-Peak by 2 (or in half) and multiple by 0.707 = RMS voltage.
speaker's power rating - is just thermal rigidity- how much AC over time can coil withhold before it gets  damaged. 


peak watts :
that confusing  term is not  specified enough.
Peak stands for maximum  amplitude in given time frame.
Peak power stands for maximum voltage times current in time frame( frequency of  given shape  of the impulse is based on time  frame)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJckyqo0vc  - might help a little (but the guy talks just to  to average Joe)
wattsPMPO (peak music power output) - no international standards set.  commercially used  B.S just forget about it.



tell me how the money system works?
I do not know.
I have rough idea.
Based on today's oil price everything is  wealthy guys BS.
National depth is BS as well. Rich can do the tricks with it and it can change its  form based on their own comfort.
They did it with  oil prices and that  says something.
Ukraine is the reason for us benefiting on low energy cost.
They do not give a s...t about Ukraine. But it is comfortable for them to  get this excuse.
The truth is.
Greed made work places -technology to go to Asia( China) and people do not have  work and  money to spend  even for that  s... t from China.
The only what they can do is low the energy cost, to preserve system of more comfortable "slaves" form revolting.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/
The money is mechanism  pushing you to work.
Thanks to that mechanism world is progressing for benefit of wealthy.
You guys get only illusion of  better life. For rich  you are  nobody special.
Just  like hammer  that is not being disposed as long as there is application, or no other  solution was invented.

you need to understand that GREEED puts a price on everything and anything….to learn something = pay money. To get electricity = pay money. To eat food, pay money. To buy a piece of land, pay money.
Very true.
Greed is  a future  of human race and human as individual.
We need greed to survive.
FE is to important  for humanity  so lets place greed much far from it.




How many property taxes are you paying for your dirt property?
I do not understand the question, What is dirt property.

I'm just the type of person that goes straight to the root!
I'm not.
calling publicly  prostitute "a prostitute",  might be  very intimidating to her.
She knows who she is.
Does anyone from you, need to be pointed by someone else finger at your deficiencies ?

I’m sure you are not living a 100% happy life with money!
I'm sure you don't have $30,000 US dollars in the bank?
Yes I do not live happy life with money. Very few  people does. World progress  is based on that unhappiness.
Yes I do not have 30K in the bank. One of the most stupid ways of losing the money is keep it in the bank.


My friend has over 70k in the bank. He got heart attack.
If he had no more than $14700 in the bank  he could  qualify for medicaid. that covers everything.
No matter how big is the bill (in hundreds or millions) ,- end  bill for hospital  will be adjusted to few hundreds dollars at most.
But if you are, say 73y old, no family and no  house,
they can take from you the  rest of the money you saved in your life,
only because you have been stupid enough to have your savings in the bank.
He is about to go out of hospital, after 23 days and bill to pay  might be over 200k. I will see  how it goes for him.
So what, that he is alive, where he is going to go? to be  in shelter after that?
Anyhow very  good education.



Wesley

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3879 on: August 23, 2015, 06:16:04 AM »
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I thought how my response would look like, if I was to answer the  questions by myself.

No problem we always learn something new each day, that is how to move forward.

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It is always better to be paid for your brain power than for your muscles power.

I agree with this since having mental power is rare in this vast media confusion of sponge bob square pants. This I have mentioned before that keeping people on a low mental intelligence level is more profitable than teaching them “how to fish”.

The reason I asked that question is because there is a 180* in the mental thinking between the both. The person that is struggling with money will never understand the mentality of that one that finds making money is easy and vise verse, the one making money easy does not understand the struggles of the pay check to paycheck mentality.

I agree with you sir.

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"root mean square.": A DC voltage that will produce the same heating effect (power output in Watts) as the AC voltage. For a sine wave, the RMS value is equal to 0.707 times the peak value of an AC voltage. Example: divide Peak-to-Peak by 2 (or in half) and multiple by 0.707 = RMS voltage.
speaker's power rating - is just thermal rigidity- how much AC over time can coil withhold before it gets  damaged. 


peak watts :
that confusing  term is not  specified enough.
Peak stands for maximum  amplitude in given time frame.
Peak power stands for maximum voltage times current in time frame( frequency of  given shape  of the impulse is based on time  frame)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJckyqo0vc  - might help a little (but the guy talks just to  to average Joe)
wattsPMPO (peak music power output) - no international standards set.  commercially used  B.S just forget about it.

I'm a music fan. I know the basics about 1,2,4,8ohms speakers and mono,4 channel amplifiers. Hey, how about those old tube amplifiers that costs like $5,000 USD. I'm not that far to be an audiophile though but I know my intermediate definitions. Actually RMS is kind of becoming standard now to the public...even till right now in the year 2015 most people look at the PEAK power of 25000 watts when in reality it is 150RMS, and like your video shows, RMS is not really 150 watts true.

I was just trying to imply that in the audiophile side of things, peak watts is a cash cow.

Now aside from that, I would really like to buy tweeters made from this technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

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http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/
The money is mechanism  pushing you to work.
Thanks to that mechanism world is progressing for benefit of wealthy.
You guys get only illusion of  better life. For rich  you are  nobody special.
Just  like hammer  that is not being disposed as long as there is application, or no other  solution was invented.

First I would like to say that I’m not rich by any means and struggle to make money just like the average hard working person, SECOND wow dude you just DUG DEEP in how things work with that video. 99.9% of the people don't understand what is going on there because they don't know the answer to it so they just kind of do a human self defense mechanism and make a joke out of it instead of trying to find a solution for it. This is what bothers me really...most AVERAGE people will fight you over and over again with humor! Their only solution is to poke fun of what they can't understand and I understand is their self defense mechanism but I also understand is that they are programmed to be this way so they can waste more money on goods = keep them stupid. This video is really an eye opening to a lot of things that could really make a 180* turn to the economy if most people can understand this and protest against it...but most are stuck on jbwelding stuff.

That video you posted showsss ALOT of real RAW hard truth regarding the economy and how the world turns. TOO much information for the average person to understand. But then, after watching that, one needs to come out with a solution? What is the solution to such corruptness of GREEED?

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Greed is  a future  of human race and human as individual.

What I mean by GREEED is that is a filter of true reality...IOW, money is a virtual reality with no benefits to society but just benefits to the one collecting money. It's like a cancer basically. A mental cancer of “corruption corrupts absolutely” and living by that disregarding humans lives and how the scientific EVOLUTION really works. I have thought about how billionaires/millionaires are compared to the evolution of life...they are willing to kill people to get their pockets full of money but BY DOING THAT< THE EARTH DOES NOT BENEFIT AT ALL = no evolution what so ever. Then GREEED is just a metal psychological disease that is like an addict ruling the world. This is why the 7th  great extinction is coming soon. Those greedy people think that OU is to take advantage of people for profit when OU is to keep the evolution of this earth going...this CANNOT happen for a long time, it's just mathematically and logically impossible. How can you convert water into money?

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Does anyone from you, need to be pointed by someone else finger at your deficiencies ?

I'll love that! By my statistics mostly chubby people will be pointing their chubby fingers at me. :)

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Yes I do not live happy life with money. Very few  people does.

The key for profit is to keep everyone stupid mostly. = unhappy. When it comes to hospital stuff, there are two 1) genetic 2) stupidity. I was born genetically ½ color blind, has never come up when taking an eye exam because them people with 20/20 color vision will make it seem like they are better then you are. DUDE! Ask random people your meat about how to cure the flu virus and you will hear stuff like if you where talking to a 6 year old...that's how stupid the general people are and that is how the GREEED likes them, nice and stupid to profit from them. When they get old and sick that stuff could have been prevented if taught in the early years of their life NOPE more profit for big pharmacy!

Sorry to hear about your friend though...the stress of one about to die or waiting for a donor just lowers the confidence of one to the dirt.

See ya wesley snipes

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« Reply #3880 on: August 23, 2015, 07:35:39 AM »
if only the qeg wasn't a scam.
a medically dysfunctional group set themselves dedicated to focusing on disinformation in the name of their own criminally motivated profits,
and willing to walk all over then wipe their feet on the most poor and neediest in order to reach their goals. (morroccan well pump in poor town never installed, yet)



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3881 on: August 23, 2015, 09:32:26 PM »

Now aside from that, I would really like to buy tweeters made from this technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about  physics  behind it.
I was not aware about extend  of possible applications. 
I believe  that  injuring people  hearing  permanently is crime,
There is no  judicial form of punishment  in modern   world to be compared to   Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.
These people/ methods  are savages



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #3882 on: August 24, 2015, 12:39:23 AM »
if only the qeg wasn't a scam.
a medically dysfunctional group set themselves dedicated to focusing on disinformation in the name of their own criminally motivated profits,
and willing to walk all over then wipe their feet on the most poor and neediest in order to reach their goals. (morroccan well pump in poor town never installed, yet)

If only.  I agree.  But, it is a scam and these folks seem to be marching merrily on.  I do believe in karma so, maybe one day, it will catch up with them.

We can only hope. (Girl)

Bill
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« Reply #3883 on: August 25, 2015, 06:16:42 AM »
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Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about  physics  behind it.
I was not aware about extend  of possible applications. 
I believe  that  injuring people  hearing  permanently is crime,
There is no  judicial form of punishment  in modern   world to be compared to   Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.

One has to understand the GREEEDY side of things and the psychological side of what motivates people to harm others based on people that are viewed as having more money that dictates them to tell you what to do for their benefit (not for society).

The technology in it of itself is not bad, the bad part about it is that it is manipulated/abused by the corrupted minds to fight virtual wars. = fight for land = greed.

That technology is not different than a laser, radar, microwaves, or just a simple flashlight reflector. One can easily make a laser in the light wave that can irritate the skin to burn too...but one can also use the same technology for BENEFITS in society instead of it using it to harm people.

Yes we love to understand these type of devices and that is our evolution in the mind. To come up with greater things to benefit the world with our earths resources BUT all of that is to EVOLVE and not to fight wars.

Even though the QEG may seem like they are taking advantage of people, the root of it all is just misunderstanding...all around you bigger people are taking advantage of you that you are so accustomed too that you are brainwashed to see them as normal. In a self defense mechanism, you will attack the wrong people for what the unconscious mind is feeling. This is why a lot of people fight and a lot of people get killed over...MONEY=CORRUPTION=GREED! Why 60% of marriages fail. Why many dictators in the past created slavery and some kings had over 200 wives lol ...look back in the history of money corruption and how some kings had 200 wives (even more).

At any rate, the QEG people are nothing compared to the real corruption of society! They are in fact victims of such corruption...one does not know 100% that their item does not work due to this FILTER of corruption, for all we know is that it may work but who out there is going to make it available for cheap? But the whole path from their beginning, they could just have becomed CEOs of a company and get away with it with out a peep from these people = the CEO make money to benefit society? Lol

It is rare for people to look at all (or mostly 60% angles) one can view of any given situation. Most are very very very low in the IQ 'cause it has been put in the path of life that one can only pay for truth and that truth is what they decide to teach you weather it is for the benefit of society or not does not matter (mostly for their profit)...you just pay to do your job in your own little bobble of a small group.

But yeah, going back to how that "speaker" works, here it is how it works (give or take) http://science.howstuffworks.com/lrad.htm/printable

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« Reply #3884 on: August 25, 2015, 11:15:08 AM »
Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about  physics  behind it.
I was not aware about extend  of possible applications. 
I believe  that  injuring people  hearing  permanently is crime,
There is no  judicial form of punishment  in modern   world to be compared to   Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.
These people/ methods  are savages



Wesley


wow, the hammurabi law would not allow for much time spent between taking care of business and letting scamming theives try to run their coarse. perhaps they were a little extreme in their forms of punishment, some of them downright brutal.

never the less, they probably did not have too many scammers willing to act so boldly as the qeg team back in that era.
though maybe installing 10 wells in 10 different poor peoples towns would not be such a bad idea after all as a form of restitution.