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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1663658 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #885 on: May 12, 2014, 05:44:08 PM »
I've been putting my multi-dimensional lookup tables through some more paces. 

The starting trace is green in the graphs.
You've been doing a lot of detailed work on this for some time.  Do you have anything that suggests that the gizmo can break unity?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #886 on: May 12, 2014, 05:55:09 PM »
You've been doing a lot of detailed work on this for some time.  Do you have anything that suggests that the gizmo can break unity?

Let me wait until I get the next step of my analysis done before I answer that.

The next step is to plug these XD tables into a SPICE simulation of the QEG primary and tally up the input power vs the output power.

Stay tuned, results soon...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #887 on: May 12, 2014, 06:24:55 PM »
Calim no one forces you to read my posts.  They have done what they have done.  You should be upset with the perpetrators of the fraud, not any messenger.

Mark, this time I would say you're wrong.
When I read your posts, I read it in full, because they are interesting. Unfortunately you can't restrain yourself to introduce noisy words. I just can't ignore those words, because you do it so wisely and you know this very well. I understand you're upset and the reasons for it but I'm afraid it doesn't help anyone.

When they have exhausted the money, we'll see... anyway what is done, is done.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #887 on: May 12, 2014, 06:24:55 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #888 on: May 12, 2014, 08:51:54 PM »
I feel compelled to point out that a great deal of effort and capital, indeed enormous effort and capital, has been expended to design, test, and construct fusion power systems.  I refer here to magnetic confinement fusion.

Is it unfair to compare these MCF efforts to QEG trials and tribulations?  Perhaps.  Yet in many ways they may be reasonably compared.

I do not claim that the average QEG advocate/experimenter has the science chops of the average ITER employee.  I only wish to point out that MCF and QEG both ask for money and show, as yet, little, or in the eyes of some observers, no results.

I apologize for neither the MCF camp nor the QEG camp.

The choice to risk time and money, raised by taxes, donations, or from personal coffers remains problematic yet essential.

I hope that we all appreciate this forum and other forums where our views and critiques may be frankly shared.  Let us all wish that progress will result from the actions we take thanks to our interactions.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #889 on: May 12, 2014, 09:44:21 PM »
The major difference is that QEG has no theoretical basis to to work from. There is nothing to suggest that resonance either creates energy or even acts as a trigger for another process to release energy. This is not the case with fusion.
 IMHO, Hopegirl IS a fraud by lying about having obtained OU. Many people spent much time and effort on this project with NO hope of ever getting OU.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #889 on: May 12, 2014, 09:44:21 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #890 on: May 12, 2014, 10:01:49 PM »
chrisC 200W might as well be the extent of the universe.  The incredible barrier that Hope Girl lied when she said they had broken it is the barrier between under unity and over unity.  Actually crossing that barrier would be a monumental development.  It means the difference between conservative systems and those with infinite COP.  FTW hasn't crossed it.  FTW's efficiency hasn't even matched ordinary off the shelf equipment.  Hope Girl is a scam artist.
@MarkE
Personally, I think HopeGirl has no business writing about technical stuff she does not understand herself and making herself look real silly with all the written promises of a working device. No professional organization would ever do something like that to attract legions of trigger happy lawyers.  That said, James R worked his butts off trying to reproduce what may seemed to be a working WITTs device. I believe he is missing some pieces not disclosed by T.T - the difference between O.U and not. Wait and see.
As to the cheap shots angled at FTW for defrauding people so they can have an exotic holiday afar? Seriously, I don't equate exotic holidays with getting stomach flu, living with flies and donkeys. Get real. FTW may be naive in the way they have chosen to do things their own way but that's their choice.
cheers
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #891 on: May 12, 2014, 10:26:44 PM »
Again, you are assuming that Witts ever had an OU device. There is nothing to support that.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #891 on: May 12, 2014, 10:26:44 PM »
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Offline chrisC

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #892 on: May 12, 2014, 10:29:29 PM »
Again, you are assuming that Witts ever had an OU device. There is nothing to support that.
Are you having memory loss, Mr. Memoryman? Did I not say, 'seemed'?
cheers,
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #893 on: May 12, 2014, 10:37:09 PM »
No Chris, my memory is fine. In what way did it SEEM to be a working OU device? Does Witts use them to power their facilities? Did they show it self-looped for days? I am just curious. It SEEMS to me that Witts are frauds.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #893 on: May 12, 2014, 10:37:09 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #894 on: May 12, 2014, 10:45:05 PM »
I feel compelled to point out that a great deal of effort and capital, indeed enormous effort and capital, has been expended to design, test, and construct fusion power systems.  I refer here to magnetic confinement fusion.

Is it unfair to compare these MCF efforts to QEG trials and tribulations?  Perhaps.  Yet in many ways they may be reasonably compared.

I do not claim that the average QEG advocate/experimenter has the science chops of the average ITER employee.  I only wish to point out that MCF and QEG both ask for money and show, as yet, little, or in the eyes of some observers, no results.

I apologize for neither the MCF camp nor the QEG camp.

The choice to risk time and money, raised by taxes, donations, or from personal coffers remains problematic yet essential.

I hope that we all appreciate this forum and other forums where our views and critiques may be frankly shared.  Let us all wish that progress will result from the actions we take thanks to our interactions.
We know that fusion as a process actually works.  What we haven't been able to do is make fusion happen in a way that is net positive without being a bomb.  If someone were to declare that they had a working hot fusion reactor that they were going to open source, just give them money and then turned up empty handed like FTW I would be equally critical.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #895 on: May 12, 2014, 10:52:48 PM »
@MarkE
Personally, I think HopeGirl has no business writing about technical stuff she does not understand herself and making herself look real silly with all the written promises of a working device. No professional organization would ever do something like that to attract legions of trigger happy lawyers.  That said, James R worked his butts off trying to reproduce what may seemed to be a working WITTs device. I believe he is missing some pieces not disclosed by T.T - the difference between O.U and not. Wait and see.
As to the cheap shots angled at FTW for defrauding people so they can have an exotic holiday afar? Seriously, I don't equate exotic holidays with getting stomach flu, living with flies and donkeys. Get real. FTW may be naive in the way they have chosen to do things their own way but that's their choice.
cheers
chrisC
Starting with the established fraud WITTS never boded well.  The claimants have all the time in the world until they declare that they actually have something.  They set the timeline.  FTW came.  FTW declared.  FTW has shown their declarations were absolutely false.  FTW continues to lie.  When someone lies to get money or something else of value, and knows that they are lying, that is fraud.  There is nothing that FTW can point to that justifies their false claims of possessing working free energy generators.  There is nothing that justifies their attempts to sell their "expertise" for $300. per hour.    For the money that we know they have collected a food bank could have fed 100 needy families for a year.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #895 on: May 12, 2014, 10:52:48 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #896 on: May 12, 2014, 11:48:27 PM »
Starting with the established fraud WITTS never boded well.  The claimants have all the time in the world until they declare that they actually have something.  They set the timeline.  FTW came.  FTW declared.  FTW has shown their declarations were absolutely false.  FTW continues to lie.  When someone lies to get money or something else of value, and knows that they are lying, that is fraud.  There is nothing that FTW can point to that justifies their false claims of possessing working free energy generators.  There is nothing that justifies their attempts to sell their "expertise" for $300. per hour.    For the money that we know they have collected a food bank could have fed 100 needy families for a year.


MarkE: In the same way, as you say  "no one forces you to read my post...", no one forces anyone to contribute to FTW cause. We're all adults and quite capable of making decisions for ourselves. We are all innocent until proven guilty. Same with FTW. Same as Witts. If Witts have something that really works and chose to sell their knowledge through repeated classes, that's their business. Right? There are engineers and others that vouched for the authenticity of Witts O.U devices powering their Armish settlements on YouTube. You can either believe or treat them as loonies. I happen to believe T.T is a true man of faith and is answerable to God for his actions and will leave it as fact he has a O.U device. The fact we can't reproduce it does not mean he's a fraud. He does differently from you and me.
Until this crowd is able to reproduce a working device, bad mouthing is not the solution. Save your time and energy for more worthwhile causes.
cheers,
chrisC

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #897 on: May 13, 2014, 12:52:57 AM »
Indeed, ChrisC, bad mouthing is not the solution.

People like MarkE, myself, and others make comments on the evidence that we have seen presented so far.  We have a right to do that, just like people who disagree and have differing opinions have the same rights.  When you work to suppress that right, then you are a "bad guy" no matter what side of the fence you are on.

For this narrative, analyzing the "story" is a very important part of the picture.  There are so many signs already.  For example, they make references to two different Tesla patents, and neither one has a direct relationship to the QEG.  These things are staring people in the face and if they want to ignore them so be it.  It's worthwhile stating just the same, it's evidence that questions their credibility.

Take the example of the "30 engineers" in Morocco.  In my mind I think this:  An engineer is approached by a friend about the QEG.  The next thing the engineer would do is go online and do searching and reading.  After an hour, it's highly doubtful that any engineer would make himself available for this project.  There is something amiss.  Beyond that, what pray tell are 30 engineers doing in Morocco?  That in and of itself does not even make sense.  It's essentially impossible to have 30 engineers working on the QEG.  Look at James' last report about what he was doing.  Do you smell the work of 30 engineers when you read his report?  Why pray tell go to a remote part of Morocco to assemble a QEG from scratch?  Why not build one in your own lab, get it working, then go to Morocco with a small team and a bill of materials and then take it apart and put it back together and show them how it works?  Instead you have what sounds like Woodstock III with a room crammed with people sleeping on the floor.

If you have enough charisma and a good story and get lucky you can pull these things off.  You can set up a social peer pressure from the group dynamic and the ambient environment to create your own temporary reality.  Look at the example of Yildiz in that university setting a few years back presumably in a room with many educated people around and nobody said anything.

If I was an engineer in Morocco, by this point I would be challenging my peers to look at this rationally.  You can't possibly have 30 engineers on board with this project unless they are a gathering of engineers on the extreme fringe.  I have looked at free energy propositions for years now, and the QEG is a typical weak-ass proposition that has no legs at all.  What's happening now is exactly what would be happening if their proposition was not real.  It's fitting the pattern like a glove.

Myself and others care about the people being hurt by this, and by the principle involved.  People will be hurt financially, and some of the New Agers that really bought into this are going to be hurt emotionally by this.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #898 on: May 13, 2014, 04:12:22 AM »
Well, here are some results.  Although instead of being more realistic, I think it actually turned out less realistic in some ways.

First off, the resonance at 0.5 times drive frequency has disappeared in this model and now the tanks oscillates at 2.0 times the drive frequency which is 1.6 kHz..  I lack a clue as to why at this time.

Also at my initial attempt to run the model, it went into oscillations in the 500MHz to several GHz range.  Apparently the interaction between the induction table and the primary current feedback is extremely sensitive.  I finally got the model to run without HF oscillations by introducing some damping features into the circuit.  I put an RC network on the end of the table output and added a small choke into the primary circuit.  These two features allow the model to run without the parasitic oscillations. 

Additionally the wave form in the primary circuit has taken on a very asymmetric shape.  I lack a clue about why that happened too.

Yet more is that the model runs extremely slow.  It take nearly 10 minutes to simulate 100 rotor revolutions in 64ms, and there is an absence of an exponential build up of voltage and current.  This model starts with full voltage and current abruptly. 
 
Here's some images and test run results(note that the results text file link is in between the first and second images and is quite small):

I'd like to see some scope shots of the primary wave forms in some replications to compare with this.  One thing that did turn out as I expected is that the cogging torque is asymmetrical, meaning that there is a calculable difference between the amount of torque when the rotor is moving toward the poles and when the rotor is moving away from the poles.  This supports my view that it is cogging torque that is the fundamental mechanism loading the system driving the QEG.

One other interesting thing is that in this model there is a small DC current flow in one direction around the primary circuit.  I suspect that is present in the replications too.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #899 on: May 13, 2014, 05:38:30 AM »
The work you are doing is commendable. 

 

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