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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1441760 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #780 on: May 07, 2014, 07:54:51 PM »
"I'd also like to explore a potential misconception about the CEG and harmonic frequencies."

The greatest misconception about the QEG is the idea that it CAN work. There is nothing in the design or concept that even hints at being possible. If Tesla could see the connection with his work, he would come back from the dead to refute this nonsense.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #781 on: May 07, 2014, 08:10:59 PM »
"I'd also like to explore a potential misconception about the CEG and harmonic frequencies."

The greatest misconception about the QEG is the idea that it CAN work. There is nothing in the design or concept that even hints at being possible. If Tesla could see the connection with his work, he would come back from the dead to refute this nonsense.

Until it is shown otherwise by sound methods, I mean work as an under-unity generator.  For that's all I can say about it with certainty at the moment.

After another couple days of number crunching, here's the latest for the secondary side of things. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #782 on: May 07, 2014, 09:17:27 PM »
I have yet o work out the math for your magnet and super-conductor gizmo, although I expect the law of conservation of mass and energy would apply to this in such a way that if the super-conducting ring has zero current to begin with, then if the magnet was moved a fixed distance into the center of the loop, then withdrawn exactly the same distance, the current in the loop would return to zero, at the end, regardless of how fast the insertion or withdrawal were each separately done.
I just got back.

Yes, I think so too. 
I guess I will have to connect that Whitworth Mechanism to that Magnet over a SC hoop in order to make an absurd machine that will accumulate current in that SC loop.  (see the diagram below - yes I know its a little backwards but turning it around takes a lot of drawing).

...or better yet - an ordinary solenoid winding powered by an asymmetrical sawtooth waveform instead of the reciprocating magnet, to absurdly pump the superconducting loop into destruction with asymmetrical dΦ/dt between two halves of one cycle.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 11:46:10 PM by verpies »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #782 on: May 07, 2014, 09:17:27 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #783 on: May 07, 2014, 11:39:55 PM »
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
Similarly to what?   To the work done by the pull-in ?
Similarly to the current increasing. 
But the work done by the pull-in is proportional to the magnitude of current flowing in that SC loop because the current exerts force on the magnet via the magnetic field it generates.  So Work ∝ Current.
Are you claiming that the integral of force over distance is disproportionate to the current flowing in the SC loop?

For your example of slow in and fast out, after the first cycle the work released pulling in increases each cycle and the work required to withdraw the magnet faster than it gets pulled in increases.
Why?
You have not proven yet that a greater dΦ/dt leaves greater current in the SC loop than smaller dΦ/dt, thus you cannot use that to prove the other statement about disproportionality of work between two halves of the cycle.

This continues until the magnet saturates. 
Only with a real magnet and it is not saturation but irreversible coercive demagnetization.
That limit does not occur in our ideal system and in a real system it can be mitigated.

Ordinary text book induction backs my position.  What backs yours? 
Logic and empiricism.
I do not consider an appeal to authority as proof.

On what basis would you claim that induction fundamentally changes because the conductor gets really really good?
Logic and empiricism.
I don't claim that induction works differently that it does.
I am trying to convince you that induction does not work like you think and a SC loop act like a spring or I'm trying to find a flaw in my thinking with your help.

Lorentz would disagree for the same reasons as Faraday and Maxwell. 
Much of their wisdom is not applicable in this case, because flux lines do not cut the loop and non-zero EMF cannot exist across a SC loop.

A different rate of change of flux changes the image current and the Lorentz force.
In resistive coils cut by flux lines - yes, but in superconductive coils not cut by flux lines - no.
Please prove that I am wrong.

You are greatly abusing the term "conservative".
I don't think so. A magnetic field of a SC loop is conservative analogically to Earth and its gravitation field or mechanical energy stored by a spring..

There is not a fixed quantity of energy stored in a superconductor. 
I never claimed that energy stored in a SC loop is fixed.  I still believe that it is variable and equal to ½LI2

Consider that if there were that superconductors would offer no promise for energy storage.
They do because energy stored in them is still proportional to the product of flux and current flowing in them.
Mechanical springs are also conservative yet they can store energy without problems.

Well I hope you eventually learn something from this.
One of us will ;)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #784 on: May 08, 2014, 01:00:31 AM »
Has this wiring scheme been discussed here yet?

I tried using an additional transformer in the primary to decouple output in my SPICE model and that resulted in only a total of 5kw of output whereas using just a resistive load yielded 10kw output.   I use a transformer without a bypass capacitor though.

On the site they talk about the "black boxes" that WITS uses to decouple output power.

http://www.sustainablemedia.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Self-Looping-principle-2.jpg

http://www.sustainablemedia.co/qeg/

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #784 on: May 08, 2014, 01:00:31 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #785 on: May 08, 2014, 05:05:32 AM »
Why is anyone working on anything associated with WITTS?  Years ago on this site, it was evident (to me specifically and also to many others) that they had nothing,  All they had was a way of raising money by getting folks to "donate" just to ask questions about their devices.  Stefan did so and interviewed them.  Well, you have never heard such gobbltygook as what Stefan got in that interview.  He tried his best but alas, the money he spent was wasted.

Just ask yourself why WITTS is still on the grid after all of these years in having free electricity and charging other folks to tell them how to make it?  Is the MIB making them stay on the grid?  Are they doing this to try to keep a low profile?  (Hard to do when advertising for more donations)  Or, are they doing it because none of their devices works as advertised?   Make up you own damn minds (Gary Hendershot) I already have years ago.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #786 on: May 08, 2014, 12:18:38 PM »
Why is anyone working on anything associated with WITTS? 
What is WITTS ?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #786 on: May 08, 2014, 12:18:38 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #787 on: May 08, 2014, 12:22:46 PM »
http://www.witts.ws/

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If you haven’t already donated, you need to study the other pages at witts.ws first, then pray about it,
and do as God leads your heart. ONLY donate because God’s leading you to donate. DON’T donate because
you’re trying to buy something, because we do not sell anything.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #788 on: May 08, 2014, 01:54:15 PM »
What is WITTS ?
WITTS is the long running scam of Timothy Thrapp.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #788 on: May 08, 2014, 01:54:15 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #789 on: May 08, 2014, 03:08:30 PM »
The donation concept goes one way for Witts: you can donate to them and MAYBE get something back, but don't expect them to donate their time or knowledge.
The 'donate' approach is done for legal (IRS) reasons. Imho, the IRS could (and should) go after Witts for running an tax fraud: having a specific fixed 'donation' for a specific product/service is equivalent to a purchase/sale.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #790 on: May 08, 2014, 03:20:40 PM »
The donation concept goes one way for Witts: you can donate to them and MAYBE get something back, but don't expect them to donate their time or knowledge.
The 'donate' approach is done for legal (IRS) reasons. Imho, the IRS could (and should) go after Witts for running an tax fraud: having a specific fixed 'donation' for a specific product/service is equivalent to a purchase/sale.
Then there is Mark Goldes and his sham 501(c)3 Aesop Institute which is nothing more than a marketing front for his sham technology companies.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #790 on: May 08, 2014, 03:20:40 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #791 on: May 08, 2014, 08:08:42 PM »
Yep never trust people with the name Mark.    ::)    While you may be right about Aesop what proof do you have or are you just expressing your opinion and we all know about opinions ....

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #792 on: May 08, 2014, 08:12:17 PM »
A couple tidbits I came across in my saved energy files that I think may have relevancy to the QEG and other motor generators:
"The question to be answered: is there any gravitational effect from rotation, or is gravitation a special interaction of mass with its environment? I would tend to believe gravitation is a special interaction of real mass with its environment. This is not to say that artificial gravitation fields cannot be created, but they would always be distinguishable from the real thing through some physical test. An artificial gravitational field would be non-isotropic and anisotropic."
And perhaps more important a quote from Bruce DePalma:

"...mechanical energy of motion, stored in the created inertial property, od, appears as an inertial field. This inertial field has the property of conferring inertia on surrounding material objects - and a reduction in the frequency of oscillating electrical circuits placed in the vicinity of the energized machine..."

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #793 on: May 08, 2014, 11:36:36 PM »
New from Morocco:  They seem to have achieve a tank resonance of 88Hz with a 7.75kVrms voltage and COP of 0.35. 

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-update-doing-it-differently.html

That would mean a rotor speed of 5280 rpm.

This morning I found that by using a capacitor in parallel with the primary of a step-down transformer in series with the primary circuit, I was able to extract 10.7 kw into a resistive load attached to the secondary of the step down transformer, where earlier without such a cap I was only able to extract about 5.2 kw.  The parallel cap nulls the phase shift created by putting the primary of the step-down transformer in series with the primary of the QEG, thus making that step-down transformer appear as a purely resistive load to the primary of the QEG.

After this I tried attaching a full wave rectifier to the secondary of the step-down transformer.  The resonance in the primary of the QEG immediately refused to initiate, and I was unable to adjust the circuit values to restore resonance in the QEG primary with the rectifier attached to the secondary of the step-down transformer.

Since none of the replicators have yet to attempt the same with an actual build, and as far as I am aware even James has yet to attempt this, I am very keen to learn just what happens when someone does. 

As far as I can determine from the simulations the QEG only likes purely resistive load, regardless if they are connected directly in series with the primary or isolated with a transformer.  If this turns out to be true for the physical replications as well, it will be a very limiting characteristic of the QEG.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #794 on: May 09, 2014, 02:05:47 AM »
New from Morocco:  They seem to have achieve a tank resonance of 88Hz with a 7.75kVrms voltage and COP of 0.35. 

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-update-doing-it-differently.html

That would mean a rotor speed of 5280 rpm.

This morning I found that by using a capacitor in parallel with the primary of a step-down transformer in series with the primary circuit, I was able to extract 10.7 kw into a resistive load attached to the secondary of the step down transformer, where earlier without such a cap I was only able to extract about 5.2 kw.  The parallel cap nulls the phase shift created by putting the primary of the step-down transformer in series with the primary of the QEG, thus making that step-down transformer appear as a purely resistive load to the primary of the QEG.

After this I tried attaching a full wave rectifier to the secondary of the step-down transformer.  The resonance in the primary of the QEG immediately refused to initiate, and I was unable to adjust the circuit values to restore resonance in the QEG primary with the rectifier attached to the secondary of the step-down transformer.

Since none of the replicators have yet to attempt the same with an actual build, and as far as I am aware even James has yet to attempt this, I am very keen to learn just what happens when someone does. 

As far as I can determine from the simulations the QEG only likes purely resistive load, regardless if they are connected directly in series with the primary or isolated with a transformer.  If this turns out to be true for the physical replications as well, it will be a very limiting characteristic of the QEG.

A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 .

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l have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity', it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.

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