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### Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1840923 times)

#### PiCéd

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #660 on: May 02, 2014, 10:46:34 PM »
Just another angle of view, for the moment nothing is proven, no self runing, just a black plug in a source.

#### PiCéd

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #661 on: May 02, 2014, 10:57:39 PM »
Quote

It was not overunity at this point, the exciter circuit needs to be completed although they are finding it difficult to find HV caps in Morocco﻿

So, nothing or insufficient dielectric strength.

#### pmgr

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #662 on: May 02, 2014, 11:38:10 PM »
I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve.  I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting.

@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!

Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:

\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} =  L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)

(see attached figure for formula).

So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).

Hope this helps!

Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!

Let me know if you have question. Email me directly if that is easier for you (pmgriphone@gmail.com)

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#### F_Brown

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #663 on: May 02, 2014, 11:58:14 PM »
@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!

Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:

\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} =  L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)

(see attached figure for formula).

So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).

Hope this helps!

Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!

Let me know if you have question. Email me directly if that is easier for you (pmgriphone@gmail.com)

PmgR
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I ran out of money to do anything with a while ago, so I got into modeling things alot.  I'm have near 10 years experience with SPICE now.  One can explore the behavior of a circuit very quickly without having to mess with a soldering irons,  bread boards, or scope and meter probes.  Then when I feel I understand the circuit, I'll build it if I can afford to and see how it differs from the model.  It's been quite interesting.

A separate modeling thread would be welcome.  At this point the "discussion" of whether the CEG is  going to be under unity or over unity is moot to me.

At the moment I am redesigning the rotor profile to fit the parametric parameters I got to work in SPICE.  Then I take on the new equations.

Cheers,

FB

PS  After getting half-way though my second torque analysis, I have noticed that the QEG core is acting quite non-linear concerning inductance vs. current.  I think to get an accurate model we'll have to do exactly what you mentioned, which is to use FEMM to map out the inductance of the core and create a current vs angle inductance table, then use that in the SPICE model.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2014, 06:13:05 AM by F_Brown »

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #664 on: May 03, 2014, 04:22:30 PM »
Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yeasterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :

500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...

so no overunity and no selfrunning...

it seems the claimed "raw power" of Mr. Robitaille was either measurement errors or a
lie to make lots of money with donations...too bad...

Regards, Stefan.

#### Bruce_TPU

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #665 on: May 03, 2014, 04:30:09 PM »
Not to worry guys!  I've got a part of the TPU working and have experimentally tested out other parts.  Still a ways to go, but winding every day.

The math was completed some time ago, but the circuit potential has been a booger!  But we have made fantastic progress on that part of it.

The secret is definitely in the coils interactions with one another and learning to move electrons.  And of course, you have to have a "real" power source.  The earth's magnetic waves.

Cheers,

Bruce

#### tysb3

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #666 on: May 03, 2014, 05:12:16 PM »
Not to worry guys!  I've got a part of the TPU working and have experimentally tested out other parts.  Still a ways to go, but winding every day.

The math was completed some time ago, but the circuit potential has been a booger!  But we have made fantastic progress on that part of it.

The secret is definitely in the coils interactions with one another and learning to move electrons.  And of course, you have to have a "real" power source.  The earth's magnetic waves.

Cheers,

Bruce

I think the secret is ferromagnetic core resonance. there is the "zero point" energy pump. it's need to be 2 resonances in one time, - resonance in resonance, like told Kapanadze to Melnichenko long time ago. the QEG guys get only LC resonance. they need to check QEG cores ferromagnetic resonance and tune LC resonance on 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 cores harmonic of ferromagnetic resonance.

http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf

#### Hoppy

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #667 on: May 03, 2014, 08:07:00 PM »
Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yeasterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :

500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...

so no overunity and no selfrunning...

it seems the claimed "raw power" of Mr. Robitaille was either measurement errors or a
lie to make lots of money with donations...too bad...

Regards, Stefan.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #668 on: May 03, 2014, 08:30:34 PM »
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.

I am not surprised.  What might be a surprise is how much money will have been spent on this and where most of that money ends up.

Allegedly there are around 200 replicator teams out there that intend on doing a full-blown replication by purchasing the 'official' core which apparently costs about $3000 USD. Some of them must be reading this thread. For those replicators that are reading this thread, can you please post directly or indirectly what you current costs are? If you can, please split that into the total parts cost in US dollars and labour costs. For the labour costs, let's say that you estimate the number of man-hours and you 'charge yourself'$25 US dollars per hour.

Any replicators willing to share this basic data with us?  It would be very interesting and it will show others how much of a financial and time drain this has become.

Even if you did all of this willingly, I am sure that many of us would like to know how much this adventure has cost.

MileHigh

#### Pirate88179

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #669 on: May 03, 2014, 10:52:01 PM »
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.

Surprised?  I am shocked...shocked I tell you.  Measurement error?  How can this be?

Seriously though, the real measurements do not seem to be even close so, that was one hell of an error over there.  I really wish folks would have others check their measurements before claiming O.U. and causing some good believing people to spend hard earned money on fruitless replications.

Now just wait, someone will claim that the MIB shut them down.

Bill

#### SeaMonkey

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #670 on: May 03, 2014, 11:03:00 PM »
120 Watts of output for 500 Watts of input is
uncharacteristic of this type of generator.

Something is clearly wrong with the way it is
being evaluated.   Its efficiency should be much
nearer 90% when it is properly driven and tuned.
Their operational RPMs may be too low to achieve
the proper frequencies and phase relationships.

#### ariovaldo

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #671 on: May 03, 2014, 11:21:50 PM »
Just an update...
I got some number for you guys....but before that, I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]

Input power.    :- 1200Watts approximately
Output voltage :- 90 VCA approximately
Output current. :- 2.3 amps
Frequency         :- 95 HZ

http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc

Cheers
Ariovaldo

#### ariovaldo

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #672 on: May 03, 2014, 11:35:04 PM »
Just an update...
I got some number for you guys....but before that, I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]

Input power.    :- 1200Watts approximately
Output voltage :- 90 VCA approximately
Output current. :- 2.3 amps
Frequency         :- 95 HZ

http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc

Cheers
Ariovaldo

Just one more thing: I will do some more tests, changing the capacitance, connections, installing the " exciter " coil, with capacitor and so one. Also, my dc motor is " dying" . This motor is rated for 1.5 hp and I' m overloading the system...the generator sheave is smaller than should be and I need to change...

Cheers
Ariovaldo

#### F_Brown

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #673 on: May 03, 2014, 11:38:52 PM »
Beautiful build, Ariovaldo!

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #674 on: May 03, 2014, 11:47:58 PM »
SeaMonkey:

Quote
120 Watts of output for 500 Watts of input is
uncharacteristic of this type of generator.

Something is clearly wrong with the way it is
being evaluated.   Its efficiency should be much
nearer 90% when it is properly driven and tuned.
Their operational RPMs may be too low.

I don't think so, those numbers seem to be in the right ballpark and were roughly what I was expecting.  You saw the plot of the effective primary inductance with respect to angle?  When the rotor is not lined up the two primary coils cancel each other out, and if there is any energy in the capacitors at that time, then the capacitors have "free reign" to short themselves out and burn off their stored energy in the wire resistance of the coils.  If someone constructs a proper timing diagram then we will be able to see if the capacitors are indeed discharging into "nothingness" during this "dead band."

The further this design deviates from a modern well-designed high-efficiency precision-manufactured tight-tolerance alternator, the lower the expected mechanical-to-electrical conversion efficiency we can expect to see.  Remember, in terms of the efficiency of this device as a generator, the resonance is needed.  Without resonance the performance is likely to be absolutely abysmal.  This device needs resonance to get it's performance to go from abysmal to poor.  That's in contrast with an alternator, where the design is only about trying to ensure that the magnetic flux cuts the pick-up coils with a bare minimum of stray flux.  In the overall scheme of things when it comes to converting mechanical power to electrical power, you don't need resonance at all.  It's arguable that resonance is just a "hook" to draw in QEG converts.

Don't shoot the messenger.  As far as I am aware this is the second credible measurement that has been made available.  The first measurement was 1000 watts in, 500 watts out.  This measurement is 500 watts in, 120 watts out.  Ariovaldo has provided the third credible measurement of 1200 watts in, 207 watts out.  My expectation is that as more credible measurements come in, they will be in the same ballpark.

MileHigh