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### Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1818323 times)

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #615 on: May 01, 2014, 04:07:03 AM »
Walk along with  me to the playground. Now you are pushing a child on a swing. You push gently and the child moves up, and back. Each time the swing comes back, you give it another gentle push. The swing swings higher and even higher, but you notice that the intervals between pushes are always the same. Tick tock, another little push, the child goes higher and higher and begins to cry a little. Look! You know your physics and you know that the higher something is, the greater its _potential_ energy, and you know that if something travels further in the same time interval it must be going faster, and you know that the faster something goes the greater its _kinetic_ energy. But you have only been giving precisely timed little gentle pushes!

What is going on here? You are storing energy in a resonant system of high Q. The resonant frequency is determined by the length of the ropes holding the saddle of the swing... nothing else. The system is "integrating" the small gentle low-power pushes into a lot of stored energy. This energy is "circulating" in the same way that reactive power circulates in an RLC circuit. If the R is low and other factors favorable, the system won't dissipate this energy and it will build up and build up. As long as your gentle pushes are replacing the losses on a per-cycle basis, the energy will continue to build and build, until something breaks. When that something breaks, _all_ the stored energy is released, things break or explode or the child goes flying through the air. But you only ever fed it those gentle pushes that could never break anything!

Now it should be clear that you can take real power out of such a system only at a rate equal to your gentle pushing, if you want to keep it at a high energy state. Take out energy faster than it is being put in, and the amplitude of the resonant oscillations will decay... to use a technical term.

#### F_Brown

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #616 on: May 01, 2014, 04:25:07 AM »
Thanks for the extra information.  The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.

When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious.  I already mentioned it.   Hint hint...  lol

Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.'   I am going to enter rarely visited waters...

The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:

L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)

Therefore when L = 1 henry,  i = 8.66 amps.

You sort of have the time function right, although you have to keep in mind that parametric excitation only works for some thing like a tank circuit.  So, shorting the coil may be counter productive to elucidating the workings of the phenomenon.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 08:13:18 AM by F_Brown »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #617 on: May 01, 2014, 04:57:56 AM »
Inductance is perhaps not a very convenient parameter here for evaluating energy.  You may be better off using a B element to integrate MMF and flux density.

#### ACG

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #618 on: May 01, 2014, 07:34:18 AM »
Link to post will be at top: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296
Can this be confirmed?  Exciter coil is only needed for the first couple of weeks.  I am looking for the audio conference of this statement.  I only see the manual 3-25-2014 instruct to adjust the spark gap every few weeks.

How would that translate into hours?  A weeks time of 5,10,15 hours a day?  The manual where it states the exciter coil is used to conduct power from the quantum zero point into the core and this produces the over unity.  If exciter could be removed then what pray tell what would be the majority of the power production?

I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

#### F_Brown

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #619 on: May 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM »
Miles,

Pardon the short reply today, I was working on this.  Although first I made some images for you.  The first shows the parametric excitation in relation to the voltage across one primary at the onset of resonance.  The second is part of what I was working on today.  I tried to use FEMM in combination with my QEG SPICE model to calculate the torque on the rotor as a function of rotor angle through one full revolution.  After about 18 hours of work, I managed to generate a graph and integrate the area under the cure to get a total torque figure.  First off it's way too big, although it is interesting that it shows more area under the negative side than it does on the positive side.

Anyway, here is my methodology in case someone can figure out where I went wrong.

My presumptions:

The peak inductance in the QEG corresponds to when the rotor is lined up with the stator poles.

I used the SPICE model to generate a graph of parametrically varied primary inductance vs primary current. (see image below).  I decided to try to generate a bunch of data points from peak inductance to peak inductance.  One half rotation of the rotor.  This is all that is necessary because of the symmetry of the device.  Basically that would be data would be every 2.5 degrees of the rotation and  indicate the primary current at the moment.

I then put each current data point into a DC FEMM analysis and get a torque figure for the rotor at that position and primary current.

After all that I put the torque figures into my numerical analysis application graphed the numbers and integrated the area under the curve(see image below).

It seems to me the torque figures are excessively high.  It integrated to some -304 N m for the total.  I think that means if the a big enough flywheel was attached to the QEG and it was put into motion, it would accelerate all by itself.  This much be wrong.

#### Hoppy

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #620 on: May 01, 2014, 10:07:05 AM »

I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

The Morocco QEG may have been pre-primed with the exciter before the video of its operation was filmed.

I imagine that once everyone has spent out on the expensive kit of parts, or ready built QEG, maybe the next step could be to loan out the special black-box exciter - ambient energy collector - for a couple of weeks to each builder. This would prime each machine for OU operation on the proviso that the operating instructions must be very carefully followed. The loan of this special piece of equipment would presumably be at a cost, maybe a donation to the Hope organisation.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #621 on: May 01, 2014, 12:05:12 PM »
Link to post will be at top: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296
Can this be confirmed?  Exciter coil is only needed for the first couple of weeks.  I am looking for the audio conference of this statement.  I only see the manual 3-25-2014 instruct to adjust the spark gap every few weeks.

How would that translate into hours?  A weeks time of 5,10,15 hours a day?  The manual where it states the exciter coil is used to conduct power from the quantum zero point into the core and this produces the over unity.  If exciter could be removed then what pray tell what would be the majority of the power production?

I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

Have you seen a quantum exciter coil somewhere else? Please enlighten me.

The only separation happening in the QEG is people being separated from their money.

Does the manual explain just _how_ the Quantum Exciter Coil conducts power from the Quantum Zero Point into the core? Does it even define the Quantum Zero Point? What the heck is a Quantum Zero Point anyway?

There is a real meaning to "zero point energy" but apparently none of these people know what that meaning actually is, and there is no hope whatsoever that WhateverGirl and Robitaille will get anywhere close to conditions that would allow exploitation of it.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #622 on: May 01, 2014, 12:08:21 PM »
The Morocco QEG may have been pre-primed with the exciter before the video of its operation was filmed.

I imagine that once everyone has spent out on the expensive kit of parts, or ready built QEG, maybe the next step could be to loan out the special black-box exciter - ambient energy collector - for a couple of weeks to each builder. This would prime each machine for OU operation on the proviso that the operating instructions must be very carefully followed. The loan of this special piece of equipment would presumably be at a cost, maybe a donation to the Hope organisation.

Insert ROFL here!
How about we wait until Robitaille and WhateverGirl report and demonstrate a self-running machine? Then we can worry about sending them here and there around the world with a special secret Quantum Vibrator to hump-start everyone else's non-self-runners.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #623 on: May 01, 2014, 01:21:36 PM »
So far the demonstration tour has failed to demonstrate a working unit.  How much more of this is to go on before people start demanding evidence that they can deliver on their extraordinary claims?

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #624 on: May 01, 2014, 07:55:41 PM »
Heh.... 1500 RPM is 25 Hz. 25 x 29 is 725. 500 + 225 is.... 725. Numbers don't lie!

( but they do joke around a lot.)

I know why the numbers don't add up. You have ignored the word range... if you use those numbers it won't add up correctly. I cannot measure my rotor RPM since my test device is in a closed box, so I used approximate numbers and knowing this I added the word range.

One thing I can tell you is my variable frequency drive controller was set at 58.2Hz during the spectrum analysis test. What exact RPM my motor was able to turn the rotor at considering friction losses?  I don't know and not about to open the protective cover to find out when I know my I cores are only holding to the rotor with Epoxy.

Luc

#### ACG

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #625 on: May 01, 2014, 09:55:18 PM »
So far the demonstration tour has failed to demonstrate a working unit.  How much more of this is to go on before people start demanding evidence that they can deliver on their extraordinary claims?

If Yildiz and Keshe done it this long I suspect QEG will go for quite some time.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #626 on: May 01, 2014, 10:06:17 PM »
I know why the numbers don't add up. You have ignored the word range... if you use those numbers it won't add up correctly. I cannot measure my rotor RPM since my test device is in a closed box, so I used approximate numbers and knowing this I added the word range.

One thing I can tell you is my variable frequency drive controller was set at 58.2Hz during the spectrum analysis test. What exact RPM my motor was able to turn the rotor at considering friction losses?  I don't know and not about to open the protective cover to find out when I know my I cores are only holding to the rotor with Epoxy.

Luc
Calm down!
I just noticed the interesting coincidence in the numbers...which as you see _do_ add up just the way I put them in my post. It's an example of how forgetting or not including the units (Hz, V, A, s, etc.)  in a calculation can lead to meaningless results that _look_ like they are significant. A highbrow kind of joke it is. You didn't put them together that way... I did! I am not criticizing or objecting to your work, you know I trust you to do the right things.

You can, and should, make an optical tachometer measurement of your rotating parts. It is easy to be fooled by either electrical or optical measurements alone, with certain kinds of rotating assemblies.
Even just a photodiode/LED pair looking at a mark on a shaft, monitored by a scope channel or even the DMM's "frequency" function, would be a good crosscheck on electrical measurements of rotation.

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #627 on: May 01, 2014, 11:25:52 PM »
Calm down!
I just noticed the interesting coincidence in the numbers...which as you see _do_ add up just the way I put them in my post. It's an example of how forgetting or not including the units (Hz, V, A, s, etc.)  in a calculation can lead to meaningless results that _look_ like they are significant. A highbrow kind of joke it is. You didn't put them together that way... I did! I am not criticizing or objecting to your work, you know I trust you to do the right things.

You can, and should, make an optical tachometer measurement of your rotating parts. It is easy to be fooled by either electrical or optical measurements alone, with certain kinds of rotating assemblies.
Even just a photodiode/LED pair looking at a mark on a shaft, monitored by a scope channel or even the DMM's "frequency" function, would be a good crosscheck on electrical measurements of rotation.

Okay, no problem

here's a 1 ohm shunt power scope shot of the two 40w 120v bulbs in series on the mot hv coils at stable resonance.

The input power to frequency drive controller is 104 watts and frequency is set to 58.1Hz. This gives an electrical frequency of 28.4Hz  and about 2.5 watts of power is dissipated in the bulbs.
If I open the circuit then the power to the drive drops to 90 watts.

Luc

#### PiCéd

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #628 on: May 01, 2014, 11:39:43 PM »
Quote
Excuse me, if I have a primary and a secondary, 10 KWh of electricity and a cos phi of 0,9999, is there theoricaly approximately 20000 jouls of heat in each second if we count the two circuits?

Finally an answer in another site, phew.

Thus, primary and secondary apparently not produce heat if almost all of the energy is transmitted, only the charge product it, so my reasoning was not correct.

#### herm

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #629 on: May 02, 2014, 01:02:20 AM »
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)

Resonance Achieved!!
Development and Test of Mini-QEG
In this note, Mark and I (George, aka Herm), both electrical engineers continue into our investigation of the operating principals of the QEG.
In our first PDF note, we reverse engineered the design of the QEG to the best of our abilities without having an actual working unit to test.  Since obtaining a full-sized core will take some time, we decided to build a smaller test device.  Our first attempt was revealed in a note describing a core fabricated from a metal tape-wound toroid with machined, clamp-on pole pieces.  This approach proved unusable because testing revealed the lack of sufficient magnetic coupling to the toroid to allow inductive modulation.  During the test, we discovered an unexpected 16 Mhz signal on the core resonance winding.  It was later discovered that this signal was emanating from the arcing of the DC motor carbon brushes.   The signal was being picked up by the core windings acting as a magnetic loop antenna.  We issued a note when this was discovered and then abandoned study of this device and constructed a new Mini-QEG.
Later, upon further contemplation, we realized that a signal of this type may have been used in the original QEG to energize the "exciter coil".  In the larger (1 HP) motor, brush arcing would produce a lower frequency signal, possibly around 1 Mhz.    The resonant "exciter coil" would pick up the signal and develop enough voltage to fire the spark gap providing a current pulse to the output winding thus polarizing the core and helping to initiate core resonance.  This possibility was demonstrated by firing a charged capacitor into the output winding of the operating mini-QEG producing a much larger output.  This effect could also be produced by using a bar magnet with one pole facing the shaft end of the mini-QEG effectively jump starting phase-locked resonance.  This resonance would continue after magnet removal.
See attached PDF  for details, schematics, and photos.