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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1415690 times)

Offline ariovaldo

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #600 on: April 30, 2014, 09:04:53 PM »
Awesome video Ariovaldo!

From my SPICE simulations I have found that this device has some unusual performance behaviors, One of which is that the more resistance you put in the primary circuit up to a certain point which seem to be roughly around 10% of the the total impedance of the primary at the operating frequency, the more power the device will output.  I am using an 11 k load in my spice simulation. 

I have also found that the system will go through surging oscillations if the resistance of the load is tool light, and that if the resistance of the load is too high the system will simply fail to go into resonance.   So, the moral of the story is more load is generally better than less load.  Additionally, adding load resistance will take voltage off the primary windings, so again more load is better than less load as far as helping the system to avoid over voltage transients in the primary windings.

I'm thinking that your generator would easily light up a series sting of 20 100W light bulbs maybe more put in series with the primary.

Cheers,

FB


About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #601 on: April 30, 2014, 09:20:52 PM »

About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


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Ariovaldo

That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #602 on: April 30, 2014, 09:45:15 PM »

No...straight from the coil to the load...

Any plans on adding the exciter coil?  QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.

Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where.   Good effort.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Offline ariovaldo

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #603 on: April 30, 2014, 10:02:11 PM »
Any plans on adding the exciter coil?  QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.

Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where.   Good effort.


I just need to have time for that. I have the material that I need, and I will build it. I don't know technically, how this coil will helps, but I'm open mind and I'll try.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #604 on: April 30, 2014, 10:20:23 PM »

About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo


Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.

Weill, I was only off by a factor of 2 or so.  :)

My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000.   I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #605 on: April 30, 2014, 10:24:36 PM »

Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.

Weill, I was within an order of magnitude.  :)

My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000.   I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.

Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #606 on: April 30, 2014, 10:54:58 PM »
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.

Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.

In my FEMM analysis I used a 2 x 0.012" gap as shown in the manual.  I had wondered about that too. 


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #607 on: April 30, 2014, 11:14:31 PM »
That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.

I agree, I just tested my device same setup as my test 3 video (2 x 40w bulb in series) and added one extra 40w 120v bulb in series and nothing happens. There needs to be enough load (not too much resistance) for it to kick in.
One thing to note is, bulbs are good for this device as when resonance kicks in the bulb resistance rises and keeps the device under control. I tried it with a 78 Ohm 50w resistor instead of the bulbs and when resonance kicks in I get rotor lock up since the resistor is too fixed of a load. I then tried it with a 100 Ohm resistor and nothing happens (too much resistance for resonance to kick in)

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #608 on: April 30, 2014, 11:29:53 PM »
All:

Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper.  There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous.  If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable.  Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement.  Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.

F_Brown,

I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world."  In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values.  For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim.  The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy.  It simply can't happen.  So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.

Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here:  Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] ->  [Ground]

Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds.   What will the sim show?   How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance?  It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?

Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads.  Let's assume ideal components.  Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value?  It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?

MileHigh 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #609 on: April 30, 2014, 11:52:41 PM »
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.

Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.

My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf

From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #610 on: May 01, 2014, 12:04:12 AM »
Okay as a follow-up to the previous comments about the fact that the toggling value of the inductance can not possibly be a source of energy, then what are you left with?

The answer is yes, the rotating rotor does indeed change the value of the inductance, but that is not what is ultimately driving the LC resonator and pumping power into it.

The reality is that at the same time this is happening, one can assume some temporary induced magnetism in the spinning rotor is *fighting* with the induced magnetism in the toroidal core.  That *fighting* is better known as Lenz drag.  During the rotor blade passes, there is a "North - North" type of induced magnetic repulsion happening that is against the turning of the rotor, and/or, there is a "North - South" type of magnetic attraction happening that is against the turning of the rotor.

This Lenz drag is the mechanical source of power that pumps up the LC resonator and puts more energy into it.

At the same time, this increased energy in the LC resonator gets pumped into the light bulb load via the magnetic coupling of the toroidal core.

Therefore, the ultimate cause for the Lenz drag is the light bulb load.

The proof of this was already shown in one of today's clips.   It's the part where you see the light bulbs brightening then going out, brightening then going out, roughly once per second.

What is that telling you?   It's telling you that the motor speeds up then the QEG hits LC resonance.  That makes the light bulbs light up.  That causes Lenz drag and the motor slows down.  The motor slowing down means you lose LC resonance.  Losing LC resonance means the light bulbs go out.  The light bulbs going out means the Lenz drag disappears.  The Lenz drag disappearing means the motor can start speeding up again.  And so on, and so on...

The proof of Lenz drag and going in and out of resonance is right there for all to see.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #610 on: May 01, 2014, 12:04:12 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #611 on: May 01, 2014, 12:33:47 AM »
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.

Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.

My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf

From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.

Luc

Heh.... 1500 RPM is 25 Hz. 25 x 29 is 725. 500 + 225 is.... 725. Numbers don't lie!


( but they do joke around a lot.)


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #612 on: May 01, 2014, 01:36:26 AM »
All:

Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper.  There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous.  If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable.  Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement.  Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.

F_Brown,

I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world."  In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values.  For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim.  The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy.  It simply can't happen.  So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.

Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here:  Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] ->  [Ground]

Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds.   What will the sim show?   How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance?  It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?

Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads.  Let's assume ideal components.  Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value?  It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?

MileHigh


In my sim the inductance parameter varies in a smooth, continuous, sine-wave manner, rather than a discontinuous step wise manner.  I read a paper on parametric excitation just enough to be able to model it.  I have yet to read it through enough to be able to discus how it build energy in the system.  I just know it does it does so in an exponential fashion.

The rest of the components what few there are, have real world parasitic values except for the cap.  The ESR of the capacitor I expect would be negligible small, especially if it was a high-quality film-foil cap.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #613 on: May 01, 2014, 03:19:51 AM »
Thanks for the extra information.  The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.

When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious.  I already mentioned it.   Hint hint...  lol

Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.'   I am going to enter rarely visited waters...

The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:

L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)

Therefore when L = 1 henry,  i = 8.66 amps.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #614 on: May 01, 2014, 03:57:07 AM »
Okay, so...

We are looking for i(l(t)),  the current as a function of the time-varying inductance....   And we know that the energy stored in the time-varying inductance is a constant.   We also know that the voltage is always zero.

l(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)

dl(t)/dt = omega * (cos (omega * t))       [not needed]

E = 1/2 L i^2

37.5 = 1/2 * (sin(omega * t) +2) * I^2

75 = (sin(omega * t) + 2) * I^2

i^2 = 75/(sin(omega * t) + 2)

i(t) = sqrt((75/(sin(omega * t) + 2))    - [equation for the current as a function of time]

Let's try punching in the values:

When the inductance is 3 henries, i = 5 amps, that checks out.

When the inductance is 1 henry, i = 8.66 amps, that checks out.

However, I still haven't solved for i(l), the current as a function of inductance,  and I am too tired now.

 

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