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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1416291 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #540 on: April 29, 2014, 04:45:03 AM »
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval.  They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time.  Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.

QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:

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New Thread Title: Reasonable Questions/Concerns About QEG Claims and Operation

REQUIREMENT quoted directly from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
"The QEG is an electromechanical device and as such, safety for the individual and end user should always be of prime concern.  It is therefore essential that persons assembling the device are experienced in the field of electro-mechanical assembly.  A considerable level of knowledge in quantum physics is also required."

"It is imperative to understand YOU NEED PROFESSIONALS AND EXPERT ADVICE to build a QEG."

As stated in the QEG Users Manual in the above quotes and by James Robitaille, engineers and technical expertise will be required to co-develop, build, tune and install the QEG.  Technical members are needed to improve and/or solve the challenging technical problems that will need to be analyzed and resolved so that the QEG can be efficiently built and implemented to operate safely and reliably. The reasonable questions/concerns that are being raised are due to the claims made by James Robitaille and others from FTW about a free energy 10,000 watt QEG that can power a home, but raising these questions/concerns is starting to be discouraged in the QEG Forum Construction threads. 

Raising common sense questions and making fact based comments is part of doing one's due diligence before spending money or time on anything that could be very time consuming and costly.  Doing one's due diligence does not make one a naysayer or troll and should not be hastily dismissed as bringing 'negative force'.  No one with good common sense would buy something As-Is from someone they did not know without first asking questions and confirming it worked, this would apply even more so if it involved new/unproven technology like is claimed with the QEG. 

Successful technology is not based on faith, it is a major technical undertaking.  Those that make the claim have the burden of proof.  James Robitaille and anyone from FTW (or WITTS) can not reasonably expect that no skeptical questions will be asked before money and/or time is spent on unproven technology.  Reasonable questions should be expected until claims are proven.

CLAIM directly quoted from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
In the QEG, input power is used only to maintain resonance in the core, which uses a small fraction of the output power (under 1000 watts to produce 10,000 watts), and once running, the QEG provides this power to its own 1 horsepower motor. This is known as over-unity. Once the machine builds up to the resonant frequency, it powers itself (self-running).

From technical perspective here are just 5 factual challenges for the QEG thus far:
1. James R has not demonstrated a verifiable self running QEG, he stated in the Taiwan video that back home he had tried to manually switch the QEG output power to the DC motor but could not get it to self run.  He stated in the PESN video that he didn't have an inverter and thinks an inverter should provide the hold time needed during the switch over in order to get it to self run.  This was not accomplished at home or Taiwan, next attempt will be made in Morocco.
2. James R has not provided voltage, current, power or waveform measurement data for a running QEG, regardless of the reason it was not provided, this is critical data that would greatly help and needed by technical members.
3. James R reported that he called Torelco to stop production of the processed QEG cores until the high voltage arcing that damaged the QEG core windings in Taiwan could be resolved.
4. James R reported in his last video from Taiwan that while there he realized that the QEG needs to operate  at a higher output voltage which will change the QEG design again, he has already mentioned changes involving: secondary spark gap, interlayer insulation, vacuum impregnated windings, secondary wire gauge and number of windings, capacitance, inductance, RPM, and using higher voltage inverter or step-down transformer.
5. James R is still trying to figure out how the QEG works based on his own comments, others are being trained on a QEG that is not fully understood and which has not powered itself.  Morocco will be the third attempt location.

The QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines state that you're looking for people with constructive feedback and honest questions. That's what my post is about, reasonable questions are justified based on the QEG claims and the above facts alone.  If technical members are discouraged or prevented from raising reasonable questions and concerns the QEG will primarily become a faith based venture that will head in the same direction as the numerous free energy claims of the past.  With the New Paradigm Business Model being promoted for the QEG, it especially does not make sense from a good project management perspective to start to build the QEG before analyzing and addressing these types of questions and concerns which could potentially SAVE many members a great deal of TIME and MONEY.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #541 on: April 29, 2014, 05:05:27 AM »
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating. 

All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #542 on: April 29, 2014, 05:50:55 AM »
That's absolutely right. The thing is dangerous on several levels. It has the rapid rotating part that experiences asymmetric loads. It has the bank of capacitors charged up to multi kilovolts. It has a relatively high current capability. That reactive power may not be extractable in a usable constant form but you can bet your bippy it can be discharged all at once into various kinds of short circuits. Capacitors can literally explode, and then _still_ kill you with residual charge in the pieces. Take that reactive power discharge from the caps across your chest and you are dead. Even if you take it from, say, your fingers to your elbow... you will literally cook an arc channel through your meat.

Fourteen years ago I was poking around inside a running dynamotor power supply, and took a discharge into my right thumb at the first knuckle, and out the tip from under the thumbnail. It still hurts and there is a stripe of dead meat under the nail, to this day, and that was a 400 Hz discharge of less than 300 volts.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #542 on: April 29, 2014, 05:50:55 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #543 on: April 29, 2014, 06:01:14 AM »
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval.  They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time.  Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.

QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:

(a very reasonable post making excellent points, omitted because it's right up above in the thread.)

You have made an error in your basic assumptions. I think you know what it is, too.

You are assuming that the QEG managers and string pullers are honestly trying to develop Robitaille's dream into a reality, and since Jim at least has some kind of technical education and industrial experience with vacuum cleaner motors, you assume that they would go about the process in a rational and straightforward manner.

However, that is not what is really happening. Do not be distracted by the Red Herrings of resonance, high voltage and great reactive power readings. This whole thing is about the Almighty Dollar Bill. The longer and harder it is to "develop" the device, the more money and the more exciting world travel for the QEG principals. There is also the Messiah factor. Who doesn't want to Save the World and go down in history as the single person who most advanced human culture on the planet? Even greater than Jesus F. Christ, who after all only reaches a third of the world. The QEG will reach every single person on the planet and benefit them all. Right?
So there is a cynical manipulation of "hopeful Messiahs" and it's being used to extract money from the faithful. Who is the cynical manipulator? WhateverGirl. Who is the hopeful Messiah? Robitaille.

Remember: the very best Red Herrings are real fish, and they look like they will be easy to catch. Meanwhile.... YOU are the real fish if you spend any money on this project before Robitaille comes up with a self runner on his own. Don't get eaten.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #544 on: April 29, 2014, 06:25:00 AM »
@IBreal,
Very good questions.  If you manage to rejoin that forum ask a more simple and less "negative" (hehe) question.

1.  When will the changes be incorporated into the QEG manual released 3-25-2014?

The manual is all about 240v 42A 60hz but the builds are now all about 2kv 5A 400hz (change in narrative the usual smoke screen).

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #544 on: April 29, 2014, 06:25:00 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #545 on: April 29, 2014, 06:57:59 AM »
Hi everyone,

I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.

To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.

Please share your observations

Luc

Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #546 on: April 29, 2014, 07:52:40 AM »
From playing with the parameters of my SPICE  model, I have found that the parametric resonance is a rather sharp one,  By that I mean a relatively small change in any of the circuit values, results in a significant change in the performance of the device. 

The first image of the onset of parametric resonance I posted is using a heavy load.  That is a load just less than the amount that would stop the tank oscillations.  I noticed that detuning one or more of the circuit values results in an under-damped system.  The is one that over-shoots it's stable operating point then rebounds several times before settling down into stable operation.

Incandescent lights change their resistance value a lot as they heat up.  I would image that the changing resistance of the load combined with the sensitivity of the circuit, creates significant rebounding as things settle into thermally, electrically, and mechanically stable oscillation. 

Attached is an image of my model slightly detuned with a zero load, and this is with a stable resistance for the load.  Just imagine if the generator rebounds because the load is changing value as it heats up.  Then as the generator rebounds, putting out more power then less power the load follows in step, changing its resistance as it heats up and cools down due to the fluctuating output form the generator.  All this happens because the system is operating open loop, in this sense that is without a negative feedback loop and error amplifier as a regulated power supply would have.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #546 on: April 29, 2014, 07:52:40 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #547 on: April 29, 2014, 08:02:28 AM »
Hi everyone,

I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.

To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.

Please share your observations

Luc

Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag

Luc,

I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach.  Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).

The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.

Not sure what to make of it though...

PW     
 

   

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #548 on: April 29, 2014, 08:19:04 AM »
Luc,

I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach.  Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).

The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.

Not sure what to make of it though...

PW     
 

 

Thanks PW for posting that observation also.

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #548 on: April 29, 2014, 08:19:04 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #549 on: April 29, 2014, 03:51:56 PM »
 :) So, the QEG folk fried the Taiwan model?
 :-\ Yes.
 :) Awesome.

 :) They linked the QEG to S.E.X, right?
 :-\ Yes.
 :) Wow....cool!

:) They got Resonance in Morocco, their data proved OU and now the World has changed forever!!??
:-\ Ah.... Errr....
:) Ah.... So they got Resonance, then set up some basic test equipment to get the summation of input vs output power and it really looks like it could be OU??
:-\ Actually, no. They got Resonance, then had coitus interruptus. You know; turned off the device, went to sleep and we've heard nothing since.
 
::)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #550 on: April 29, 2014, 05:22:33 PM »

It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.

This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).

What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!

Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.

So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured

form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge

(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed

power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards

relative to common current flow.  I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without

knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place.  There were previously people that

have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that

tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.

Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1

electrostatic motor available for sale.


This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device

as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying

that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.


No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures

like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational

margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as

difficulty bringing it up.



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Bravo Mark,  well said.   Your ideas on this device show you have a deep understanding of the unknown or at least untaught principles of energy around us.  Thank you for your sharing these thoughts.


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And TK     Very Good Advise,  thank you.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #550 on: April 29, 2014, 05:22:33 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #551 on: April 29, 2014, 10:00:10 PM »
TinselKoala:

You make valid points about the approach Fix The World is taking.  To improve my chances of posting a 'proceed with caution warning' to others on the QEG Forum I went out of my way to be diplomatic without compromising the points that should be objectively considered about the FTW QEG development thus far and the QEG Forum practices.  This re-enforces the fact that at the QEG Forum you can go out of the way to be thoughtful and reasonable and still be blocked and banned because the QEG Forum moderators are not open to an honest discussion and/or would rather keep their heads in the sand while keeping others there with them.

I've listened to all of James Robitaille's video and audio recordings about the QEG development, he is the only one able to provide technical updates.  I think he was convinced (or scammed) by WITTS and sincerely thinks that he can get the QEG to self run and provide excess power.  He has many years of technical and electronics experience but is out of his area of expertise.  He has openly admitted his failure to self run the QEG at home and admitted the failures he experienced in Taiwan.  He also openly admits that he is still learning and trying to figure out how the QEG works, although at the expense of others.  HopeGirl and some others are cheerleaders with absolutely no technical knowledge, so they are blindly following and are using deception to raise more funds.  Their actions contradict what James Robitaille openly states in technical sessions.  If you read through web sites and listen to broadcasts, HopeGirl and some others would have you believe that they already have a working QEG that self runs and will power a home, which is the opposite of what James Robitaille openly and clearly states.  Bottom line, I was banned from the  QEG Forum for trying to point out what James Robitaille has openly stated.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #552 on: April 29, 2014, 10:16:02 PM »
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating. 

All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.


F_Brown:

You make a good point about the need to emphasis the life threatening QEG electrical hazards and TinselKoala provides some good clear examples.  I did not come across discussions about this in the QEG Forum, and it is less likely to be appropriately addressed there as they drive away members with technical knowledge and experience.  In fairness, the QEG User Manual does provide the following safety hazard warnings:

"Electrical / Mechanical devices are inherently dangerous. Electrical shock hazards can cause serious injury and in some cases death. Mechanical hazards can result in dismemberment and in some cases death."

"It is for these reasons that the QEG must be either directly installed or supervised by an experienced electromechanical engineer to ensure the installation is done safely and in accordance with local electrical code, however, the QEG is installed the same way as any commercial generator and does not violate any electrical codes. Anyone who uses the QEG installation instructions (including but not limited to any procedure or method of installation) must first satisfy themselves that neither their safety, nor the safety of the end user, will be endangered over the course of the installation and operation of the QEG."

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #553 on: April 29, 2014, 10:23:12 PM »
couple of statements from the QEG people:  "gentlemen arrived from the UK a few days ago with a professional video camera AND very high tech equipment for measuring all aspects of the QEG output and "over unity"
 
 
"When all the data has been gathered and tested and measured, and all the information is compiled, and all the instructional videos and recordings etc edited and put together, then everything will be released publicly all at once. Until then, we will be posting updates on all that is happening here, and we will keep you all informed"
 
seems they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. let 'em show the proof without all the nasty accusations. not suggesting anyone run out and buy parts for this yet. just stop the negative remarkst. if anyone had a clue about the big post Cap-Z-ro made you might begin to understand why that's important. some of the mentally castrated individuals here who think we or they already know everything about everything should take a few lessons from history.   

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #554 on: April 29, 2014, 10:32:53 PM »
@ibreal   I agree it would be nice to have some ?'s answered and measurements but I think they are trying to avoid killing their funding before they work out the kinks.   looking at the videos of rotaille you see a guy in grubby jeans, tee shirt and unshaved.   doesn't look like someone living high on donations.   looks like a guy busting his butt to get this all working right.   all I'm asking is for people to give it some time before bashing the sh*t out of them.

 

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