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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1424710 times)

Offline F_Brown

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #450 on: April 23, 2014, 07:49:59 AM »
I just posted a video of flux gating in a QEG style core.  This is a demonstration of flux density in the core as the rotor turns with a steady AC signal applied to the primary coils of the core which are operated in bucking configuration.  The actual operation of the complete QEG in power generation mode would likely to be significantly different. 

http://youtu.be/oVbmNcW5lSk

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #451 on: April 23, 2014, 07:57:37 AM »
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance,   That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!!    It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.


 http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #452 on: April 23, 2014, 08:19:17 AM »
Now I wait for the measurements to be verified.   So many false hopes over the years,  keeping a light on for the real one is not easy.  The wait, the wait     always a wait.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #452 on: April 23, 2014, 08:19:17 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #453 on: April 23, 2014, 12:37:05 PM »
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #454 on: April 23, 2014, 12:57:49 PM »
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL

The only explanation offered so far as to theory is parametric excitation of the inductance value as the method of driving the system and a piezo effect in the steel lamination combining with the electrical resonance of the main tank circuit as contributing to the output of the device. 

I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do.  It's put in series with the output.  Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #454 on: April 23, 2014, 12:57:49 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #455 on: April 23, 2014, 01:01:10 PM »
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL
The common sense approach. But hold on - If one has a big, expensive setup, claims loudly that it works and shouts about its benefit to all (The fact that you have no idea whether it works is irrelevant at this stage) then one can call for generous donations. There is a word that describes this approach. The word is scam.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #456 on: April 23, 2014, 01:13:46 PM »
It's pretty hilarious. Look at the recent "official" statements. Even the main builders cannot tell anyone why or how it is supposed to work. There is no coherent theory, no reasonable explanation... they just "know it will work" if they fool around with it enough. They have no working prototype, never have had. They have no explanation of how it can work. But they claim it will be the answer to everyone's hopes and they have no problem asking people to give them money based on their empty promises!


Come on, people. This is all chum. Don't be fish. INSIST on a WORKING PROTOTYPE or at the very least a COHERENT PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION of why anyone should believe that it will work as claimed, before you start cutting laminations and buying kilometers of wire. If you follow this simple rule you will save yourselves a lot of time and money.

Remember this post, in a week, month, year.... because in a week, month, year you will still see no self-runner, no excess usable power, from this device or these people (Robitaille and WhateverGirl.)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #456 on: April 23, 2014, 01:13:46 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #457 on: April 23, 2014, 02:17:51 PM »
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance,   That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!!    It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.


 http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/


So is this video showing the device putting out power or not?  Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #458 on: April 23, 2014, 02:37:08 PM »

So is this video showing the device putting out power or not?  Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.

It's been generally accepted that the device will work as a generator.  The answer being waited on with trepidation is will the device work as an over-unity generator.  As to that some good stats would more convincing than a choppy video of a couple lights lighting up. 

Could you ask James to provide an explanation on just what the exciter is suppose to do? 

Has he tried putting the exciter in the primary side of the device?

Could you post a video of the QEG operating in self-sustaining mode?

Thanks,

FB

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #458 on: April 23, 2014, 02:37:08 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #459 on: April 23, 2014, 03:26:23 PM »

I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do.  It's put in series with the output.  Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow.
 


It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.

This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).

What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!

Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.

So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured

form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge

(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed

power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards

relative to common current flow.  I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without

knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place.  There were previously people that

have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that

tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.

Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1

electrostatic motor available for sale.


This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device

as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying

that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.


No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures

like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational

margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as

difficulty bringing it up.



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #460 on: April 23, 2014, 04:07:07 PM »
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.


And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy,  especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.


I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.


Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstorms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.


Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #460 on: April 23, 2014, 04:07:07 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #461 on: April 23, 2014, 04:16:08 PM »
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.


And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy,  especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.


I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.


Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstirms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.


Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...
Dieter if James said that it was working for almost a week straight (150 hours vs 168 hours in a week) then surely they at least have video of that.  If they had one working for so long, why is it that they were unable to reproduce?

I gauge integrity by the consistency between what people claim and what they deliver.  These guys claim to have a world changing technology.  Where is the delivery?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #462 on: April 23, 2014, 04:20:57 PM »
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK.  Free energy is really a very simple thing.  If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy.  Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy.  Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves.  Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.

I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long.  In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about.  I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further.  I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.

So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.

Best regards,

FB

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #463 on: April 23, 2014, 06:12:05 PM »
And it would be nice if the actual facts that ARE known aren't continually altered and misrepresented.

1. It was the woman, not James Robitaille, that claimed 150 hours of "working".
2. Her definition of "working" clearly differs from mine -- since every one of the QEG team members will tell you, if asked, that they DO NOT have a working prototype that will run itself and power external loads.
3. Timothy Thrapp and WITTS are known to be.... unreliable. Nobody, nowhere, ever, has reproduced any of his many claimed free energy and overunity devices.
4. There is NOTHING in the present QEG design that resembles or operates like any electrostatic generators, most especially Wimshurst. Don't believe me? Then show some electrostatic work of your own that demonstrates your understanding and how the QEG relates.
5. When a 500 watt lightbulb lights up, that does NOT mean that it is dissipating 500 Watts!
6. The simulations that have been done are matching some of the actual data from the QEG team, and indicate that the measurements are measuring _circulating reactive power_ and not real usable power. If you want to get excited about circulating reactive power that is much greater than the input power..... you can do it much more cheaply and simply than with a QEG.
7. The various Tesla patents that the QEG team have been referring to have nothing to do with what they are trying to build. Tesla is ROFLing in his grave.
8. You dismiss my postings of diagrams of variable reluctance and shaded-pole motors as if you don't see the relevance... but that is exactly what is being built here. Take any motor of this type--- anyone can find them easily enough in AC fans -- and turn the shaft mechanically while monitoring the wires with a scope. You will apparently be amazed that it will act as a generator -- even though it has not a single magnet or brush assembly at all.
9. You can call me all the names you like.... pseudohuman, that's a new one! ..... but in a week, month, year.... there will STILL be no self-runner demonstrated and there will STILL be people sucking up your money claiming to have one. Fraud? Scam? What do they call it in YOUR country when you try to sell something you do not own or possess? Does calling the money you ask for a "donation" help your legal and moral position at all?



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #464 on: April 23, 2014, 07:03:10 PM »
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK.  Free energy is really a very simple thing.  If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy.  Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy.  Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves.  Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.

I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long.  In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about.  I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further.  I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.

So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.

Best regards,

FB
Timothy Thrapp has a long history of making false free energy claims.  Anything that he says that is not independently corroborated is worthless.

I agree with you: Just show hard evidence of the claim.  If the evidence backs the claim then we can try and come up with an explanation of the extraordinary.

 

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