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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1424953 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #375 on: April 19, 2014, 03:03:46 AM »
Hi Stefan,

I looked through the Q & A link you posted but could not find where they say the input is 1KW

Luc

Yes, that was not in the Q&A section,
but as they have stated before, at the maximum output of about 9300 Watts they had about 1 KWatts of input as stated by
Robitaile in the interview with Sterling Allan ( actually he said only he had around 1/10th the input of the output)

So I assumed, that they now in Taiwan with the second prototype they are building only getting about 420 Watts out at the maximum input, which is supposedly 1 KWatts....

I also wonder, why they at all went through the trouble of travelling to Taiwan to build another
prototype and not just verified their first prototype first, which Robitaille has build himself in his garage ?

Did he make output measurement errors at his home, when he saw and measured the "raw power" ??

Maybe he made the wrong conclusions just measuring open circuit voltage in the  KVolt range and just only
shortcircuit current in the amp range and concluded from it, that just by multiplying he could get 10 KWatts
of output power, but never really measured the actual output power on real loads ?
Although he stated to Sterling Allan in his interview, that he tested it with lamps and heater elements...

Hmm...normally these measurements are not too hard to do to get at least a measurement done without too much
error range..
How did he measure the 9300 Watts he mentioned in the interview ?
Sterling also did not ask him that question, which was unfortunately the only question he really should have pushed and shopuld have demanded answers from him...

So I wonder what they will show in Marrokko and what they will show, when they are back home in the USA again...

Will it then come out, that he just had measurement errors in the garage with his own prototype and maybe they
had better measurement equipment in Taiwan, so they did not make the measurement errors there and saw the
real output, which was only 420 Watts and not 9300 Watts at around 1 KWatts of input power ?

I also wonder, if the people, who donated lots of money will say, if they can not show a selfrunnig device and
all will fail. Will they demand their money back ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #376 on: April 19, 2014, 03:24:00 AM »
This whole thing has played out oddly...all this hype, all the visions...and now nothing ?

Hmmm, maybe somebody sent some Malaysian plane tickets to some family members of Robitaille.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #377 on: April 19, 2014, 03:24:28 AM »
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm

It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #377 on: April 19, 2014, 03:24:28 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #378 on: April 19, 2014, 02:39:39 PM »
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm

It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.


He did some good work, but as all others are found it always stop short of 100%. I have seen many that never make it to the forums and some have had 25 years work into their devices. perhaps one day it will happen but history has been cruel.
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #379 on: April 19, 2014, 02:48:25 PM »
If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them.  They're kind of stuck there until they let them out. 
I am a frequent visitor to Taiwan, they are a good country and good people. They are not being held and will leave eventually when their hosts kind of figure out they have been had. i do not think they will be in any through or danger, but will not be welcome back. I think it will be a big embarrassment for the Taiwan Company and Chinese , they will be in damage control.
 I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.
Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #380 on: April 19, 2014, 03:49:13 PM »
Jbignes5:

You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit.  The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real.  The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other.  The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil.  The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.  Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.

You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."

That's all just pure speculation on your part.  The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.

You are talking about yourself in the above statement.

Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy.  Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on.  That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.

If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with?  The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.

MileHigh


 The only speculation going on here is all the comments from people who do not have a device or even facts of the device. You and others are speculating that this is nothing but a scam with no proof.


 There is a reason for not much information right now and sitting round here demanding answers and speculating as to why there is no answers is doing little for anyone at all. Instead what you are doing is throwing flags from the sidelines with nothing as proof. Like I said the only thing we can do at this point is to sit and wait. Time will tell and no amount of speculation is gonna get answers at all.


 My conclusions were a response to all the BS being spread about this device even before they can get concrete evidence.


 One thing is for sure. There are a some here that have a lot to loose from a working device like this. This causes them to go into damage control and throw all kinds of logical fallacies to justify their bad behaviour, without knowing all the facts. We have very little to go on right now. The only thing we can do at this point is to wait and see. No amount of chest beating is gonna get us closer to understanding this process. No amount of character assassination or "Debate" without the facts will help either side. Although there is some credible evidence that this is genuine, there is just to many unanswered questions to fully understand weather it is legitimate at this point. The only thing I see is non factual speculation that this is a scam. Innuendo is not proof of anything but just a tactic by some to discredit something they have very little knowledge about.


 The world is not flat and everyone now knows this. This revelation took time and PROOF. We have Time but we have little proof either way here. So ranting and speculating about this is a big waste of time PERIOD.


 So I am requesting that only the facts be posted here. On that note you and others have no proof of fraud no matter how you look at it. PROOF not speculation. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #381 on: April 19, 2014, 05:02:07 PM »
For those who believe the QEG is not possible:
An energy researcher died leaving his 17 pieces of test equipment to his three sons.

When his sons opened up the Will it read:
My eldest son should get 1/2 (half) of total pieces of test equipment;
My middle son should be given 1/3rd (one-third) of the total pieces of test equipment;
My youngest son should be given 1/9th (one-ninth) of the total pieces of test equipment.
 
As it’s impossible to divide 17 into half or 17 by 3 or 17 by 9, the three sons started to fight with each other.
 
So, they decided to go to an energy researcher friend who they considered quite smart, to see if he could work it out for them.
 
The energy researcher friend read the Will patiently, after giving due thought, he brought one of his own pieces of test equipment over and added it to the 17. That increased the total to 18 pieces of test equipment.
 
Now, he divided the pieces of test equipment according to their fathers Will.
 
Half of 18 = 9. So he gave the eldest son 9 pieces of test equipment.
1/3rd of 18 = 6. So he gave the middle son 6 pieces of test equipment.
1/9th of 18 = 2. So he gave the youngest son 2 pieces of test equipment.
 
Now add up how many pieces of test equipment they have:
Eldest son   = 9
Middle son   = 6
Youngest son = 2
 
TOTAL = 17
 
Now this leaves one piece of test equipment left over, so the energy researcher friend takes his piece of test equipment back to his shop.
 
Problem Solved!

Moral:
The attitude of negotiation and problem solving is to find the 18th piece of test equipment i.e. the common ground.  Once a person is able to find the 18th piece of test equipment the issue is resolved. It is difficult at times.
   
   However, to reach a solution, the first step is to believe that there is a solution!!   If we think that there is no solution, we won’t be able to reach any!

 ;)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #382 on: April 19, 2014, 05:08:22 PM »





 While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.


Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol"  Seculation and out right lie. Non factual


Cap-Z-Pro "This whole thing has played out oddly...all this hype, all the visions...and now nothing ?Hmmm, maybe somebody sent some Malaysian plane [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]tickets[/color] to some family members of Robitaille."  Again Speculation and Innuendo.


MileHigh: "[size=78%]Like I said, a Rodin coil is a piece of electronics quackery." Speculation and innuendo.[/size]
[size=78%]                " [/size][size=78%]Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.[/size]I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other."   Speculation, out right lies and innuendo.


 "What is the magnetic field inside a wire of radius R?   What is the magnetic field outside a wire of radius R?  I will assume that Marko would not be able to answer those questions, he would choke." Logical fallacy and out right BS.


 Here is a question for you: What is the electric field inside of a wire? What is the electric field outside of the wire? Why do you only focus on the magnetic field and not the ever present electric field we ALL know is there? Why is it that you ignore everything about the electric field yet totally focus on the magnetic? This is the main question! And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years. It was Tesla who pointed to the electric field. It was Tesla who taught us that in order to reduce the losses that we must increase the electric potential of the current we want to transport over vast distances. These are FACTS. We use those facts every day in our outdated electrical system, yet you and others choose to ignore and outright lie about those facts.


 All of those quotes are merely from the last two pages or so of this single thread. Not to mention all of the other threads you have corrupted with your narrow minded closed system. FYI there is no such thing as a closed system. That is an ideal system which no real system that you or me use is. All systems are subject to outside interference. In fact most devices state that explicitly on the label. All systems are indeed open to interference although some are more resistant to this interference than others but they are still open to a degree.


 Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance. Otherwise Radios and communications would otherwise be impossible.




 We are stuck in our endeavours for over 100 years because they rejected the Ideas of Tesla after he had created sooo many wonderful devices and systems. They took what could make them the most money and rejected the ones that would free us as a civilization. This has retarded most from finding free energy and caused a rift between the ones who know this Universe is infinite and the ones who think it is finite. That rift is waning away and a new understanding of the Universe is unfolding, no matter how you feel about that, it is a reality. No amount of you or others behaving badly will counter this new understanding. What it will do is show how limited you guys think and how limited you think you are keeping us.


 I feel really bad about how you are gonna feel once a system is proven to conform to these FACTS we are discovering. What a shame it will be to hear about your suicide because you felt soo bad to the way you have treated others in your quest to suppress the TRUTH. All of nature does not conform to your close minded system. It runs not on fuel but merely on the whole (unity) of the universe. We live in environments and as we are finding out those environments can be influenced by further out environments. Take for example our own earth. If it is a truly closed system then we have nothing to fear from solar storms but is that statement true at all? ABSOLUTELY NOT! No system is truly closed and hence why we might be headed for some really bad days ahead from our suns activities. All planets in our solar system are being affected by the suns influence, not just the planet earth. All of the planets are heating up due to the suns influence. This is not pseudo-science it is REAL FACTS.


 I have not seen one fact come from your side. NOT ONE. It is all supposition and innuendo and frankly I am choosing to abstain from this community from now on. I have my plan and so do others and you do not fit into those plans. Once I get my system up and running I am leaving this crap behind me and taking my family to a place of caring and love for my fellow man. You in my opinion are not a man but a sheeple. You can not go beyond you limited world and that is not a world I want to belong to anymore. I tire of this crap and I'm tired of hearing your junk science. In your world you will run out of fuel and will wither and die. In my world we have limitless energy and bountiful returns of everything we desire. I choose my world and what you choose is death. So be it.


 I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #383 on: April 19, 2014, 05:20:11 PM »

 While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.

Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol"  Seculation and out right lie. Non factual


 I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.


I agree the martini at 30,000 ft was speculation and a poor attempt at humor. However until they receive a working device in Morocco then the fact they do not have one is fact. I think you have fact mixed up with faith and speculation.
Good luck on your journey and as I always say...enjoy the journey the outcome of destination is secondary.
Kind Regards
Mark


PS why did HopeGirl say they had a free energy working device when fund raising when they did not??? Fact??

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #384 on: April 19, 2014, 05:49:05 PM »
@ GOtoluc


Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #385 on: April 19, 2014, 06:57:52 PM »
Jbignes5:

You are welcome to link to someone doing something useful with a Rodin coil.  Spinning a magnetic ball and making an audio speaker are just parlor tricks.

I can certainly speculate, but I don't make outright lies.  You should be ashamed of yourself for repeatedly making that allegation about me.

You speculate yourself.  People can read threads and get differing opinions.  That is a good thing and I am always concerned about people wasting money on unproven and sometimes ridiculous free energy propositions.  That's just my thing.  I strongly disagree with the laissez faire attitude where people don't care about that.  What do you think the Consumer Reports magazine is all about.  It's to inform people that can't possibly be experts in everything so that they don't buy crappy cars or crappy appliances and instead they can spend their money wisely and get good value.

The electric field inside of a wire is normally incredibly weak because there is no electric field inside an ideal conductor.  A wire is close to an ideal conductor hence the electric field is very weak.

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And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years.

You are showing the readers how limited your understanding is.  I am sorry, but I must point it out because it explains the backdrop behind your attitude and world view.  You consume "supermarket tabloid trash" about electronics and energy and believe that it is real.  That's not a good position to be in and it results in you giving advice and rendering judgments that are way off the mark.  If you are really leaving, and you are truly interested in this subject matter, then do yourself a favour and educate yourself.  If you just say, "conventional electronics and engineering is all crap that they want to program into you" then you lose big time.

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Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance.

I suggest that you learn what resonance really is.  Start with a bell ringing.  Why does a bell ring?  What's really happening there?  How do you explain a bell ringing in scientific terms?  Then move on to electrical resonance and you will see that they are one in the same.

Tesla was a very smart man and an electrical pioneer.  But from what I can see there are no hidden Tesla secrets that will free us all.  That is the "Tesla tabloid trash" industry that has taken advantage of his name and exploited him and what he did for their own reasons.  Look  at HopeGirl and her group, they are doing it also.  That may be upsetting to you but it's the truth from my perspective.  There was no free energy Tesla car, there was no magic Tesla shaker that almost destroyed a big building.  The whole era that Tesla lived in was a time when journalism was out of control and the public had not yet wised up and incorporated cynicism into their world view.  In other words, the vast majority of the public believed what they read and newspaper men and others exploited this fact for their own personal gain or to advance an agenda.

There are some facts that we can all agree on.  HopeGirl made definitive statements that the QEG works.  Nobody has verified that the QEG works.  HopeGirl and her entourage are running around the world to allegedly teach people how to make their own QEGs.

Good luck in your future endeavours.

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« Reply #386 on: April 19, 2014, 09:27:55 PM »
@gotoluc

About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U

Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned  so much with the FTPU.

I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up. 

So back to my bench and more FTPUing.

wattsup

PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.


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« Reply #387 on: April 20, 2014, 05:22:57 AM »
@ GOtoluc


Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?


Vince

Hi Vince,

I don't know if you saw test 3 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

In this test the cores don't rub at any time since I can control the Resonance by having the bulbs on the high voltage coil. It's clear that as resonance builds, so does the need of more input power to the motor. At a stable Resonant point it was about 10 watts more to the motor then with no resonance. If this device was operating at unity the each bulb would have 5 watts and I know these 40 watt bulbs start to glow at 5 watts. They were not glowing and I estimated about 2 watts to each bulb. My guess is the rest of the power (6 watts) is lost in the 160 Ohm series high voltage coils.

My test device is far from Unity.

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #388 on: April 20, 2014, 05:41:12 AM »
@gotoluc

About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U

Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned  so much with the FTPU.

I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up. 

So back to my bench and more FTPUing.

wattsup

PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.

Thanks wattsup for going the extra mile and doing the test yourself. I kind of knew you wouldn't be able to get a frequency higher than 10Hz with a solenoid. That's why I asked you to test frequency and movement (distance)

Also, to get Resonance you would have to connect the high voltage coil to a capacitor. I would think you would need quite a large AC capacitor with your Inductance and frequency being lower then my test device. My guess the capacitor could be in the 25uf to 35uf range.

I also don't know how much of an Inductance swing you need for it to kick in.

Anyways, thanks for giving it your best shot and taking the time to make a video demo on top of it all.

Excellent job my friend.

Luc

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« Reply #389 on: April 20, 2014, 08:23:41 PM »
Without windings on the rotor there would be very little lenz force on it to slow it down.  Only small eddie currents in the rotor lamination would cause any lenz loading, so the dominant behavior of the motor would be to just drop the output voltage and current rather then slow down due to loading.

I just modeled a tank circuit attempting to simulate the parametric drive of the QEG.  The first thing I found out was that LTSpice refuses to compute a time varying value for an inductor.  So, I ran a steady state sim just to see what happens with the voltages and currents in the tank.  Low and behold I got this, see attached image.

The peak voltage and current that built up with a 15 henry inductor with 50 ohms DC resistance and a 10 nano farad capacitor was about 29kV and the current was about 750mA.  Multiplying these values by 1.414, and then multiplying the results by each other yields an RMS value of about 11kW of recirculating energy in the tank circuit.  I chose the value of 15 henries for the inductance because James said his machine was operating between 10 and 20 henries, and 10 nano-farads for the capacitor because that set the resonant frequency at 411Hz.

In my model I1 is being used to drive the tank circuit, and B1 is being used to add some noise into the circuit.  Since the Inductor has 50 ohms of DC resistance it is dissipating energy.  The cap is also dissipating some energy although I set it's equivalent series resistance at 100 milli-ohms so that dissipation negligible.   

I am sure that the energy dissipated by the inductor is equal to the energy being added to the circuit by the current source driving the circuit, I1.

The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake. 

By the way this recirculating energy is what Joseph Newman was showing people.  He would say look, I turn the machine on and in just a few seconds it generates all this energy.  The problem is he failed to ever demonstrate a way to get the energy out of the machine on a continuous basis to do something useful.  It was Senator John Glenn that finally put him on the spot, and showed Newman's claim to be false.
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