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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #360 on: April 18, 2014, 03:42:46 AM »
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What about a vortex?  When you do the vector addition in your head, do you get a vortex or not?

You mean, like a headache?  A vortex in the head?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #361 on: April 18, 2014, 04:01:53 PM »
@MH

Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.

The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.

Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.

@woopy

Thanks so much for trying those and providing your results. The single side by side one is not that surprising since less core is exposed, but the one with magnets could still require further tests using maybe a single weaker magnet, or two weaker magnets in repulsion (souths out try, then norths out try) held in place between their mutual end. Since in the Northern Hemisphere the south field is predominant using a two magnets with north field facing into both cores ends would be a logical trial. It is when playing with all the variables that an effect can be found. If you don't play, you won't score so thanks again. Sorry to learn about the breakage. Keep well and thanks again.

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Got in late last night. Will do the solenoid throw distance measurement today.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #362 on: April 18, 2014, 05:27:54 PM »
Wattsup:

A regular cylindrical coil will make a ball magnet spin much better than a Rodin coil.

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The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires.

It's not several coils in one and there is no turning impress.  Put DC through a regular Rodin coil or a starship Rodin coil and you will get a static unchanging magnetic field just like you will for a regular coil.  There is tons of magnetic field self-cancellation going on in a Rodin coil, and there is also self-cancellation happening in a regular coil.  There is no spinning anything happening anywhere in a Rodin coil.  I guess that you can't visualize this so I give up.

Like I said, a Rodin coil is a piece of electronics quackery.

Look, a simple diagram with two parallel wires A and B with DC current in each wire flowing left to right:


[region of addition]

A >---------------->

[region of cancellation]

B >---------------->

[region of addition]


Now, let's have wire A and wire B carry current in opposite directions:



[region of cancellation]

A >---------------->

[region of addition]

B <----------------<

[region of cancellation]


If you can't apply this to a Rodin starship coil or any arrangement of current carrying wire by visualizing this in your mind then you have to go back to basics.  I will repeat that a Rodin starship coil is full of areas where the magnetic field cancels itself out.  That means that some of the wire in the starship coil is not doing anything useful, it's just acting as a resistor burning off power for nothing.  A regular cylindrical coil will be more efficient than a Rodin coil every time.  I define efficiency in this case as how much magnetic fiux you can produce for a given length of wire.  You could also define it as how much magnetic flux you can produce per watt of resistive power loss in the wire.  A cylindrical coil wins out in both cases.

One of the most abused terms on the free energy forums is "efficiency."   An example, "That pulse motor is very efficient."  That statement is meaningless.  Call that a micro rant.

Anyway, this is off topic so back to the QEG.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #363 on: April 18, 2014, 06:01:44 PM »
Here are some links to my little look into the Rodin coil.  As far as I can tell any coil wound the "Starship" way with the wires distancing themselves far from the torus would just let the magnetic field escape and dissipate itself every which way.  Only a coil that completely covered the torus form and stayed right up against it would contain and twist the magnetic field in the way I describe in the videos.  I think it was IBM research labs that did a good quantitative study on the Rodin coil and they found the only unusual things about it was that it has a slightly higher than usual amount of inductance for an air core coil, and that the use of a ferrite core fails to increase the inductance of the coil in any significant way.

Part 1:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DyaRzVxp2Y

Part 2:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBrdLYxCisI

Part 3:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdrZB4UTvxI

Please forgive the simple production of these videos.  They were the first ones I made some years ago.



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #364 on: April 18, 2014, 09:18:17 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #365 on: April 18, 2014, 09:50:57 PM »
@MH

Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.

The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.

Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.

Honestly I don't think anyone has really built a true rodin coil.  I built a couple, but I wouldn't say they are true rodin coils.  He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding, but there is no wire available such as this, that I know of, and I have never seen anyone wind a coil with this kind of wire.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #366 on: April 18, 2014, 10:14:08 PM »
F_Brown,

Your clips are very nicely done.  Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil.  There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems.  How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?

Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment.  You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box.  Each box has two terminal posts.  How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?

The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same.  And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil.  It's a farce.  Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works.  When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.

Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.

I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.

If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #367 on: April 18, 2014, 10:26:03 PM »
Freezer,

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He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding

I find that laughable.  I wonder if anyone ever asked him why.

What is the magnetic field inside a wire of radius R?   What is the magnetic field outside a wire of radius R?  I will assume that Marko would not be able to answer those questions, he would choke.

The answers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfZR33FblY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef9R3imCesY

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #368 on: April 18, 2014, 10:32:34 PM »



 Wow again you have dragged me into this with your ignorant explanations.


" [size=78%]I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.[/size]If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other."


 It doesn't matter what you "Think" is happening with hopegirl. You are throwing BS in your rants to bring doubt to the claims of hopegirl. Lets stick to the facts like you have said many times.


 Again What is quantum anything? Is it something or nothing at all? Here is my take on this. If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick. Through resonance we know we can tune to certain frequencies right? Even the harmonic frequencies as well right? It's that simple and you need to stop stating BS about this.


 Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about. You are clueless in this area and hence why you have the same stance as the others who lived over 100 years ago. The earth is flat you cry and now it is time to prove that or shut the yap and let them prove their take on this.

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« Reply #369 on: April 18, 2014, 10:58:42 PM »
Jbignes5:

You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit.  The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real.  The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other.  The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil.  The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.  Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.

You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."

That's all just pure speculation on your part.  The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.

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Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about.

You are talking about yourself in the above statement.

Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy.  Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on.  That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.

If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with?  The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #370 on: April 18, 2014, 11:38:16 PM »
@F_Brown

Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.

My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/

Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind.  Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.

Eventually I will build this and test it out.

@MH

All coils are useless if you don't find the good mix. Your negativity is not justified.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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« Reply #371 on: April 19, 2014, 01:49:34 AM »
F_Brown,

Your clips are very nicely done.  Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil.  There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems.  How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?


Marko states that the black hole formed in the center of the coil radiates photons, and all that one has to do to capture energy from the coil is to put photocells around the center of it to receive the emitted photons.  The trouble with Marko is that he refuses to learn traditional science as understood by credentialed scientists.   On the other hand credentialed scientists that have studied Marko's documents, state that what he presents is more like numerology or combinatorics rather than actual physics.  So, there is this chasm in communication between Marko and trained scientists that Marko has now given up all attempts at trying to cross because trained scientists have simply shown themselves time and time again to be incapable of understanding the validity and applicability of his vortex based mathematics.

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Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment.  You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box.  Each box has two terminal posts.  How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?

The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same.  And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil.  It's a farce.  Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works.  When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.


I would expect if one used a hall sensor to map out to a sufficient degree of detail the magnetic field of a Rodin coil, a solenoid coil, and a toroidal coil all built with the same diameter and turns, that differentiating which coil was in the box by the magnetic field emitted from it would probable be possible.

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Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.

I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.

If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #372 on: April 19, 2014, 02:04:54 AM »
@F_Brown

Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.

My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/

Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind.  Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.

Eventually I will build this and test it out.

wattsup

There have been people exploring Rodin coil to Rodin coil transfer of signals and energy.  The I think the IBM group said it might have some potential for use as an antenna for high frequency stuff.  That report was on the web, although one really has to hunt for it.  I have yet to look into such things.  Alas, I also think I was far from creating a bench-top black hole by putting a couple of amps through a hundred or so turns of thin wire.  I do want to build a larger coil with multiple layers of 12 or 10 gauge wire and put some significant power into one, however there are so many other things work on that I find the time and expense that would take to be of low priority, maybe someday.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #373 on: April 19, 2014, 02:09:31 AM »
F_Brown:

It's almost funny with Marko talking about a black hole forming at the center of his coil.  It's because black holes do radiate high-energy photons when mass is sucked into them.  Has Marko done the photocell experiment?  Is he talking about a "ring" black hole inside the donut or is he talking about a point black hole at the very center of the donut I wonder.

I am assuming that you are aware of what a black hole is.  How Marko can utter that nonsense with a straight face or how people can listen to him state that with straight faces is beyond me.

I don't expect that Marko will explain how his nano black holes mysteriously appear and where all the extra mass suddenly comes from.  Hey, it might be a million tons of mass that forms the ring inside the donut.  I am surprised that he hasn't sucked himself out of existence and gone out in a blaze of x-ray and gamma ray photon glory.

The chasm is really really wide.  lol

It may indeed be possible to see differences in the magnetic field pattern.  But normally when you are discussing the energy dynamics of a coil, you talk about the electrical properties of a two-terminal device.  You will be able to see different two-terminal behaviour but both behaviours will look like inductors.  Something like observing a 200 millihenry inductor in one shoe box and a 214 millihenry inductor in the other shoe box.  In other words, no tangible difference between the two.

Delusions, indeed.  Let's see how Naima and James manage the next six months in their lives.  I am guessing that they will "go dark" and disappear from the Internet.  Of course the conspiracy theorists will have their own explanation for that.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #374 on: April 19, 2014, 02:32:32 AM »
Marko can say that stuff with a straight face because he's never studied physics.  He simple lacks the information required for him to realize just how ridiculous his statements sound to people who have studied physics.  Anyway, it's kind of amusing how the twisted structure of the magnetic field in the center of the coil might possibly be able to have some effect on the fabric of space time, if--and this is a big if--it were sufficient intense.  Apparently the formation of this twisted magnetic field in the center of the coil, that's been called a vortex, has been reasonably shown to occur, although this is quite different from the vortices that Marko talks about forming along the sheer lines of the windings.  Anyway, just how intense would it need to be to form a pseudo black hole, or if it even could, who knows?  I expect though, how ever intense that is, it will remain beyond the means of my workshop.

If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them.  They're kind of stuck there until they let them out. 

Bruce Depalma got people to spend millions to build ever bigger versions of his machine, each and every one of which failed to operate over-unity.  Joseph Neuman went on and on about his machine for decades without ever proving over-unity.  Oh well...

 

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