Well at least this thread is not going off in as many random directions as the Akula 30 watt generator thread.

Nonetheless, for Wattsup:  The Rodin coil is just electronics quackery.  There is no vortex, it doesn't do anything special at all.

SeaMonkey:  Thanks for the usual sales pitch for the End of the World.  The End Times and the clash between the Evil Cabal and the Forces of Good and the billions of people that get wiped out and the Rebirth.  Of course the Evil Cabal has these devices.  Not to mention the permanent magnet motors that run all their submarines.

The people in that hour-long clip seem to be decent people.  The engineering guy seems alright, I can't figure out how he is going for this.  They are all a little bit smug at times but the exit plan is a foregone conclusion as far as I am concerned.  The recorded Google/Skype chats will stop.  HopeGirl's blog will stop cold.  A month or two later web pages will start to disappear.  Many people will be left "holding the donut" and you will have to consult the Internet Wayback Machine to find any traces of the perps.  Like so many Facebook pages popping out of existence after the 2011 Vancouver riot.

MileHigh

The hour long internal conference from Korea?

You mean the interview in Taiwan?

indicated that they did not actually make that work. 

That not what I'm taking away from what James said in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE . Would you please supply me with quote to that effect with the source link and time index if it's on a video?

Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.

I'm not really certain that she meant that. Would you please supply me with her quote and a source link for that quote?

If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it. 

Logical, however, if the suppression effort were to fail, then some people in the public might find out about it. Is that not so?

Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever,

I'm not sure that I have heard these stories. Would you please supply a few specific examples of what you are referring to?

but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the stories with any actual proof of a device that works.

Would you please name these people whom you are referring to?

Which suppressed devices were you referring to?

These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".

Would you please give me a specific example of that?

Many humans are story tellers. 

Do you mean like a teller of tails?

The difference between a story and reality is evidence. 

Do you mean the testimony of an eye witness shouldn't be accepted into evidence?

These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.

Which suppression stories are you referring to? Would you please be specific?

It requires a lot of material. 

Are you referring to the QEG?

Building a working one requires skills no one has: Altering electromagnetics.

How would you know that?

Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?

I really don't understand your question. How much fuel are you talking about moving?

If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.

Are you suggesting that we should be making fuel on the spot? If we have the energy to make fuel on the spot, why not just use the energy itself for what we need it for and skip making the fuel?

Lots of advanced technology is classified.

Why wouldn't it be, particularly, if the said classified technology had military applications?

It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.

I don't know that it wouldn't. Would you please give a specific example of what you're referring to? 

When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.

Unless there is a cost issue or if the older technology's performance is not an issue.

Again, look at what gets replaced.

How would I know which classified military technology is replaced? Would you please supply me with a specific example of what you're referring to?

Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.

I'm not sure if that situation is applicable. Since I'm not a military commander faced with these logistical concerns, I'm unconcerned about it, considering that some general would just throw money at it.
 

May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?

Got anything in South Beach?

You said that before.

You're saying I already asked you, "Wouldn't the military's use of free energy technology be classified?"

There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.

Would you please be specific as to the contracts and RFQs that you are referring to?

Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.

How do you know that the reverse wouldn't be true? If they didn't have these contracts and RFQs, wouldn't that arouse suspicions? Why would they reveal that they didn't need these existing contracts and RFQs? I mean if they had a type of free energy technology and they wanted it to remain classified, why would they risk its discovery by using it unless they could guarantee that its use could be kept classified?

Regards,

VIDBID

Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there.

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing?    Magnutty  , thats who.

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked. 


Magnutts

Hi wattsup,

thanks for the details.

Today I was able to confirm there is not a 1 watt gain in my solid state version of the QEG. Ended up I had to use a wheel utility power meter to confirm. Good thing I was using 60Hz and 240vac.

About the Rodin coil idea. Don't you think the ball magnet RPM will be too high of a frequency for the steel lamination of a car Alternator?... also, why would you think the ball magnet rotation won't be affected by Lenz once the Alt. coil are under load?

Thank for sharing

Luc

Hmm. Its an interesting thought of using an alternator to have a bunch of coils on the stator with capacitors, and dont even apply power to the field coil in the rotor. The armature fingers will to the closing the gap deal on the stators and changing the inductance.

Rewind the stator with lots of fine wire to simulate or come close to the inductance of the mot sec.

Then just drive/spin the alt to resonance with caps on each of the 3 stator coils, all of different phase.  So this way probably no BVVVP! sounds.    Alternators are pretty sturdy.

Mags
 

Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there.

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing?    Magnutty  , thats who.

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked. 


Magnutts

Thinking about it a bit more, there may need to be 1 change to shift the inductance more like Lucs test box does.

The way I described above, the sec has a particular inductance on its own with the cap off  and away from the cut ecore containing the mots sec winding. Then when the cap is rotated to where it completely covers the cut ecore, the inductance of the sec coil increases.

In my shorting the primary config, the sec would have its own self inductance, but when the primary is shorted, the sec inductance goes down, opposite of Lucs box demo.

Not sure if it even matters if the inductance is shifted one way or the other to get the effect. But to get the sec inductance to increase by shorting the primary, all we have to do is instead of shorting the primary, just connect another inductor to the primary, and the sec inductance will increase, simulating the increase of sec inductance instead of lowering it. 

Like I said, not sure if it matters one way or the other. Either way, the sec inductance will change by affecting the primary as described.

As I said, if the change in inductance is the prime function of sec output of this device, then this changing of inductance will either work, or possibly it is not just(or not at all) the change of sec inductance that causes the effect.

Mags

Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc

Lol, I said all that and neglected the flux question...


Well it seems we have to operate at resonance of the LC in order to get any output at all.  In your setup, if you remove the capacitor then adjust your scope to a more sensitive level, then if you see 'any' output, even tiny, I would say there may be some week field in the core, and when you do set up the LC for resonance, it is a very pronounced resonance. very.     Nice big fat resonance affect compared to ordinary 'generator'' action using even a very weak field in the core, shown by looking at the sec without the cap, having no resonance advantages.   

Did you try the compass tests I mentioned earlier?  I think it was yesterday.

Mags

One more thing I just thought of.  have you tried backing off the gap distance at all from what you have shown?  Like open the gap say 1 or 2mm then try again to see if there is output, without BVVVVP! happening at all. Your function gen only goes to 1 decimal point. Once you have the freq that is closest to resonance, you could try doing small adjustments to the capacitance to fine tune even further.  This is what Romero was doing, increasing the spacing of the rotor mags and the pickup coils to 'reduce' lenz drag, but when the speed was up to the resonance of the coils, they would sing well at a distance. He said he spent a lot of time on those coils and tuning.  To get all 16 pickups to sing at the same freq, let alone have the same voltage output for best and equal output of each coil would be a daunting task.  Say if one coil was a bit off from the others, its output may not even add to the output cap due to it doesnt even hit as high a voltage as the others. Daunting task indeedy.    Most people may not even consider those things.  Hand wound, fine litz wire, backing washers and backing magnet adjustments. But he took on that task and look what he made.



Mags