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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1416154 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #255 on: April 15, 2014, 02:40:37 AM »
On the QEG from WITTS:

Electrical engineer's verification of WITTS technology:

http://youtu.be/MFrsn--7hxc

Jerry Thomas (JT)
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California

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #256 on: April 15, 2014, 02:58:48 AM »
Gentlemen:
I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test. 

MileHigh

So MileHigh,

are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #257 on: April 15, 2014, 03:52:46 AM »
E2matrix:

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So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb.    The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices.

No, that is not true at all.  Nobody working on a bench would do that.  The very first thing they would want to do would be to measure the output.  All that they would have to do is step down the voltage and configure the right load resistor bank or use light bulbs.  Nothing should be taken for granted and there is no way in hell that the builder would not want to measure the output.  The problem is there is no documentation that I am aware of about a build and related measurements.

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He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.

Just seeing a voltage waveform on your scope means nothing, and I assume that you are aware of that.  Have you ever been on a stage and stood near a 1000-watt incandescent light bulb?  You feel that power on your skin, it's actually intimidating.  10,000 watts is like a furnace.

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So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation

The business about winding insulation is highly questionable and raises more doubts.   It's a toroidal core and if you wind progressively across the core there will be no issue about insulation breakdown because the potential difference between adjacent turns will not be that high.  On the other hand, if you don't know what you are doing and wind back and forth, layer on top of layer, then the potential difference between turns in close proximity could be very high and cause problems.  But if you were expecting high voltage from the coil and you knew what you were doing you would not make that mistake.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #257 on: April 15, 2014, 03:52:46 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #258 on: April 15, 2014, 03:57:52 AM »
Vidbid:

Here is the same engineer Jerry Thomas endorsing a "gravity motor."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45pafuCuIRY

For many people on this forum and elsewhere, that's like the kiss of death for this guy's credibility.  There is no such thing as gravity motors.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #259 on: April 15, 2014, 04:26:37 AM »
Gravity generator. Not my area of interest. However, Mark Dansie shot a video of the ZED aka Zydro Energy Device which is a gravity generator of sorts. However, the energy output is extremely low as compared to what the QEG is reported to output.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKWpR0seK0A

It depends on the gravity generator JT is talking about. If he is talking about the ZED or something like it, then I don't necessarily believe that it would lessen his credibility.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #259 on: April 15, 2014, 04:26:37 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #260 on: April 15, 2014, 04:28:40 AM »
Luc:

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are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.

Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?

I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit.  Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow.  In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself.  At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high.  This is just a theory.

One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer.  It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load.  It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.

It's possible when the resonance hits the electric motor gets significant back-torque from the resonant coils when the driving of the load kicks in.  It's almost like a car's manual transmission where the clutch is engaged and there is no power transfer.  The spining rotor is just "slipping" by the coils.  Then resonance hits, the voltage goes up, the light bulbs light up, and the clutch disengages and the rotor is not "slipping" by the coils anymore, the clutch is engaged.

What's the first thing I would do to start the investigation into this theory?  I would put a clamp-on ammeter on one of the wires of the electric motor and check the current draw before and after resonance hits and the light bulbs light up.  If you see the current draw take a jump up, that would tend to indicate the "electromagnetic clutch" theory.

There is a possibility that the electric motor they are using is big and beefy.  So between the motor and rotor's huge amount of stored rotational inertia, and the fact that if you ask the motor to put out torque it can do so without flinching - that can all add up to seeing resonance hit, the light bulbs light up, and the motor barely even flinching - it will sound exactly the same before and after resonance hits.

Now, in all the available QEG information out there right now, is there any discussion of making clamp-on measurements of the drive motor current consumption?   If there isn't any discussion or measurements, notice this has been open sourced for about a month now.   In my way of thinking you would have to be "insane" to not have measured the DRIVE MOTOR power consumption before and after resonance hits.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #261 on: April 15, 2014, 05:05:58 AM »
Rfacts:

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In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance

Can you provide a link to that clip?  If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that?  It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.

Thanks,

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #261 on: April 15, 2014, 05:05:58 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #262 on: April 15, 2014, 05:46:55 AM »
Luc:

Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?

Yes, and it does that but once it starts to resonate and current starts building in the coils do you still think there is no magnetism in the cores?

I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit.  Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow.  In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself.  At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high.  This is just a theory.

Good theory! it happens to coincide with what I think and part of what is going on in my test device. However, in mine, as current builds up so does the power requirement to my prime mover, to the point it will stop the rotor if the demand is too high as I limited the voltage an current the VFD is delivering. The 2hp motor I'm using is a 3 phase 600v and I set my VFD to deliver 200 volts at 1 amp max.

One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer.  It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load.  It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.

Could be,  and if that's the case I guess it's a rotary transformer.
We need a real live test with power measurements of input and output

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #263 on: April 15, 2014, 06:18:18 AM »
Good theory Milehigh,remember the earth has a magnetic field ,weak but causes effects,this may or may not be a factor its just a thought.There is nothing to this device its hot air however the hype and spin is interesting.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #263 on: April 15, 2014, 06:18:18 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #264 on: April 15, 2014, 06:19:37 AM »
Rfacts:

Can you provide a link to that clip?  If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that?  It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.

Thanks,

MileHigh


http://youtu.be/2nTgfrjnZEY

If you scan through it long enough, you might find it.

 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #265 on: April 15, 2014, 07:13:04 AM »
Those who've never been in the near vicinity of any
of these mysterious devices do indeed have a very
difficult time accepting that they may in fact be
possible.

They do exist and have been utilized by certain select
programs/agencies for a considerable time - several
decades.

What is essential to understand with respect to the
QEG is the difference between the resonance frequency
and the power output frequency.  The rotor achieves
four magnetic reversals across the output coils for each
revolution.  It would be very helpful to see a dual trace
oscilloscope display of both the resonant waveform and
the output waveform to make frequency and phase
measurements.

With the QEG even the slightest tiny bit of residual
magnetism is all that is necessary to begin the excitation
of the resonant components which will very quickly build
up to large magnitude oscillations at the proper rotational
frequency.  The resultant magnetic field is incredibly strong
at resonance and it should not saturate the material which
comprises the magnetic circuit or path.

Parametric amplification?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #266 on: April 15, 2014, 09:29:34 AM »
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?
 Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
 Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?
Neither.
This scenario represents an RL circuit.  In such circuit, the magnetic flux generated by the coil gradually decreases to zero (or never decreases if the coil is superconducting).
Oscillations occur only when this coil is combined with a capacitance.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #267 on: April 15, 2014, 11:21:04 AM »
MileHigh:
I've watched all of the videos that I found related to the QEG and think the capacitor comment I was referring to was made in the video that vidbid posted above or the recent PESN QED interview video.  I spot checked these two videos where I thought the comment was made but did not find it, these 2 videos alone are about 2 1/2 hours long, I'll let you know if I come across it again.  I should have been more clear about the context in which that comment was stated.  From what I recall the comment about trying so many capacitor combinations was due to the limited number of film capacitor values at the 2000V rating, the series parallel combinations that were used, testing at different resonance frequencies to find the optimum output power and attempting to run at 50 and 60Hz to avoid having to use an output inverter.  Some transcribed Q&A sessions with James Robitaille were posted on the FTW QED Forum web site, this is a question and answer that refers to the QEG as a variable frequency generator:

Q: What is responsible for that freq? Differently asked: what should/could be changed in the design if we want to change that freq?
A: Briefly, there are 2 main components in setting the frequency: the electrical resonance and the mechanical resonance. This is actually a variable frequency generator so changing capacitor value changes electrical resonant frequency and rpm where resonance is reached.

Question for you.  Is a film capacitor typically required for this type of application, if so why?  It has been stated that the QEG primary and secondary are operating at 400Hz and that the primary capacitance needs to withstand 24kV, so in final circuit 12 capacitors rated at 2kV each are connected in series.  In the FTW QEG User Manual the capacitance value in the schematic is listed as 1.5uF 2kV each for a total of 0.125uF but listed in the parts list and description in the same manual as 2.5uF 2kV for total capacitance of 0.208uF.  I'm primarily asking in reference to replicating the QEG high voltage effect because 1nF and 10nF 30kV ceramic capacitors that can be connected in parallel and series combination for the same total capacitance and higher voltage rating can be found on eBay for a much lower cost.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #268 on: April 15, 2014, 12:14:27 PM »



 “ It’s not up to us to prove the technology works, we gave it away, open sourced it, and it’s up to the engineers and the people to make it work.” HopeGirl


I rest my case. For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.


Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
« Last Edit: April 15, 2014, 03:08:56 PM by markdansie »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #269 on: April 15, 2014, 02:55:12 PM »
@woopy

Saw your youtube. Good experiment. Maybe try rotating your disk so it only cuts one end of the u cores and not both. I think you are just creating cancellation and that's why you see no difference on the feed specs.

Also, maybe consider trying this. With the C cores facing each other, put one or more magnets in between one end where both will meet and hold together to produce a O shape with a slit open for the rotor to turn between. hehehe That would be a good trial just to push more out-of-the-box.

@gotoluc

I left you a post at OUR, Maybe take a read and let me know.

Listen, this QEG is doing what? Producing volts. Just use a Tesla coil and it will do the same thing.

Basically if this QEG requires anything that will rotate, what do you think will be the outcome. Moving a piece of iron to produce an electromagnet, and then we all wonder why it seizes.

My gut tells me this is a group of people that embarked on a build, went a little overboard on costs, did not get the results and now they are trying to recoup as much as they can by convincing others to chime in with some money to get "starter plans" of something that does not work. Chime in on what?

I was in a Quebec group of motor/generator/gearing guys and we spent 250K to find out certain methods won't work. hahaha. We did not afterwards go public to offer to sell the tech slating it as "for further development".

My own hint when planning to make big builds, first establish a small R&D business. I have three companies, two that are in my specialty of water treatment and the third I use only for R&D. All my R&D expenses go into that company and the capital just grows and grows. If I close the company tomorrow, I can get 50% of the capital as personal tax credit. If I use the company to make a big profit on something (it has to be big), then after paying a corporate tax of 20% I can then take all the capital I put in right back into my pocket non-taxable. One day, if I ever decide to actually pay myself a salary for R&D, the Canadian Government will pay me back 50% of that. hahaha

The QEG will work miracles when one day, we find a way to make that piece of iron approach the MOT then disappear. But that is not possible in the foreseeable future. The only other way I can think of is explained at OUR.

The solution I am proposing to you at OUR is to try and push the idea into a more realistic and especially a more out-of-the-box approach. Imagine a huge core having a coil of 20-40 Henries or so, just moving the plate in and out not even at a very fast speed should produce some good output that could be capped and then really be usable. Is it OU, don't know but it has a much better shot at working then turning a wheel.

But as soon as you start playing the rotation game, you are stuck with the progressive rise, peak, progressive fall and during all that time, you are setting up the electromagnetic demise because the approaching iron generates the jail it then gets caught in.

The other main problem with your testing versus QEG is leverage. Since your I core is at the outside of a rotating system, a drag of 1 between the I and E core will be transfered to the motor as a drag of 10 (as an example). So just a slight seizing at the outer end of the rotation will produce great drag force on the motor. That's leverage and the way it is set-up, it is working against you.

The QEG on the other hand has the rotor plates close to the shaft so the reverse leverage from drag will still be felt but not as much as your system. It will however suffer from lower rotor plate speed across the stator plates. This is because at a fixed RPM, a large diameter wheel will provide more end speed then a smaller diameter wheel. So the QEG only had one more option, increase rotation speed, but as you increase rotation speed, if you do not increase the applied horsepower as well, you now will have much less torque. So this game has been played and played and played for so many years and people forget to consider all the chips on the table before placing a bet. They think they are doing something new, spend the bucks, then cry to mommy when it all goes south.

But whatever you do man, I am always loving every minute of it because I appreciate your genuine effort to help the world, like many of us here. Pure intent is what you exude when you are authentic. And, it does not hurt to have friends that check your back. hahaha

The pick up coil wants to see change. Change occurs when the iron plate approaches and it also occurs when it backs away. The small instant of no movement is what I would be interested in that you cannot produce when rotating. hehehe

wattsup

 

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