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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1416989 times)

Offline markdansie

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #240 on: April 14, 2014, 02:27:51 PM »
Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?

Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014

Regards,

VIDBID
Those video's are a joke and none of those demonstrations could be reproduced live for any visiting engineers, scientists and more importantly investors. Videos are never accepted as evidence. I have seen videos faked that even fooled highly qualified engineers, nothing like a third party validation or live demonstration.
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Mark


PS
why does someone not ask a simple question of Witts or the QEG team, have they got something that can demonstrate overunity????? lol
 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #241 on: April 14, 2014, 03:37:00 PM »
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k

laurent

Merci Laurent,

great video demo!

believe it or not, 5 years ago I discovered a coils inductance could be reduce with Aluminum.  I never thought of a practical application ::)

Thanks for your demo

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #242 on: April 14, 2014, 04:31:36 PM »
I know how much dificult is to lift an alter of 15 kg to 1 meter in one second with only one hand, so if somebody could produce better more than 15 joules per second with a sort of electric machine with is hand without any dificulty to turn the generator, he won.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #242 on: April 14, 2014, 04:31:36 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced
« Reply #243 on: April 14, 2014, 05:27:09 PM »
gotoluc:

I really appreciate all of your experimental efforts and sharing of your results.  I think many more than you're aware of benefit from the work you openly share.  We learn something from every experiment whether we conduct it ourselves or if it is conducted by someone else who provides the configuration, test protocol and the data needed to replicate the experiment like you do.  You learn whether your results are as you expected or not.  Richard Feynman put it best: The test of all knowledge is experiment.

Your builds are professional and you stand out because you like to confirm things for yourself without letting negative comments deter you from your experimental work.  At times both sides resort to sniping, name calling and sarcasm that is not constructive, it discourages those of us that may have something productive to contribute.  Yet you remain open minded to glean what you can from both sides, bravo!  Kudos to woopy too!  You can't beat hands-on experimental work to learn while enjoying the building experience, but even though both sides have something positive to contribute you do sometimes have to filter out the unproductive background noise.

I'm encouraged by your open and objective approach to post an idea that I had which also makes use of microwave oven transformer cores and would like to know what you think.  I'm attaching a drawing that I made of a QEG Experimental Test Unit to test the effects by utilizing 2 or 3 MOT cores.  I think it would eliminate the flexing problem you're having while bringing it closer to the original QEG toroid design and allows use of bobbins to test with different coil configurations.  One unit design requires three MOT E core pieces of the same size to maintain the same rotor dimensions and other rotor designs would only require two MOTs because one of the left over I core pieces would be used to make two variations of a rotor at the more narrow width of the I core piece.  Some core machining would be required but it may be worth a try.

Also wanted to point out that James Robitaille stated in the recently posted PESN video interview at the 28:00 minute mark that he tested his QEG configuration at the lower frequencies that you're testing at but found that the QEG growled and beat itself up and he didn't think it would last so he stayed away from the low RPMs.  In the QEG Taiwan Update video that was posted today at the 13:00 minute mark James Robitaille states that he is still using a primary LC capacitance of 0.125uF and achieved smooth resonance in Taiwan at a rotor RPM of 1331, he had reported that the first QEG he built back home achieved smooth resonance at 1450 RPM which he considered to be about mid power band and that the QEG will operate on harmonics.

Thanks and as lasersaber well puts it, let's keep experimenting.

Thanks Rfacts for taking the time to write and share your ideas.

It looks to be a good idea. A machine shop service would be needed to cut the circular shapes.  Also, I don't know if you're aware but cutting steel laminations that are already together in a block is not as easy as some may think.  It needs to be held tight in a vice while cutting, if not, the fine metal filling will work their way in between laminations  and your core will look like particle board that got wet.
I would say it would be well worth the investment if we could confirm the effect.
Myself, I have zero income, so I can't do much more then use what I have on hand. My simple test device cost me a $16. part (chain gear) the rest I recycled from things I had.
If someone is willing to pay for the transformers, machining, bearings, shaft, side supports pulleys and belt I'm willing to put my time in for free.

I know about what James Robitaille stated but so far I have not found the correct capacitance to get a powerful resonance effect at a higher frequency. I can't use the uf value he used because my Inductance 12 Henry is lower than his 40 Henry. I'll keep trying and post if I find anything new.

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #244 on: April 14, 2014, 05:46:29 PM »
Those video's are a joke..

That's why I said the people. Clearly, the people who show their faces in those videos at http://www.witts.ws/verifications/ aren't a joke.

However, I will concede that the following video appears to be a joke IMHO, and granted, that doesn't help WITTS' credibility.

http://youtu.be/vCbZ3CRWx7I

Regards,

VIDBID

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #244 on: April 14, 2014, 05:46:29 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #245 on: April 14, 2014, 06:03:07 PM »
off topic.  skip if you want technical
Jbignes5:

We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.
MileHigh

you are the one making insults and attacks far above anything jbigness was doing.   

based on your statement above "We are going to make something perfectly clear right now"  it is now obvious what your problem is.   using "WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.    It's either that or you just did the Freudian slip to let us know you are part of a group here to suppress all hopeful devices.   I'm not the only one that's observed this behaviour  MileHigh.  mayb time to see a therapist.

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« Reply #246 on: April 14, 2014, 06:40:19 PM »
Hi guys,
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks
I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way.   If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??   

   My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying.    To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous.   There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy.    That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here.    If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy. 
   
   This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power.   So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work.   If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #247 on: April 14, 2014, 07:26:40 PM »
"WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.   
That was a cheap shot, that has nothing to do with science.
MileHigh was talking on behalf of all scientists and engineers, including myself.

"WE" did not include loose minds like JBignes5 that are driven by emotions instead of experience, logic and analytical thinking.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #248 on: April 14, 2014, 08:46:33 PM »
Some pages back I suggested not to bother arguing your views.

It continued just the same!... one even argued my suggestion ???

Pages later of proving your points it has not changed a single thing!!!

Why?....because, you are powerless to change or control others. For every action you take there will be a reaction.
Have you not yet understood this basic principal applies everywhere?  This has always been and will continue to be. You cannot stop it by any actions!.... if you argue in a cave and you hear echo, can you stop it? ... only if you shut up :o

Notice this is a non action but if you were a cave man you could go on for a while before you could come to understand how to stop it.

You can only teach by example. So, if you don't want arguments then don't argue. It's that simple.

How was one single man able to enlighten the British Empire that it would be best for them to leave India?.... by actions, attacks and terrorism?
When you understand and practice the world will transform.

I'll leave it up to you and will accept the path you chose as I know all roads will eventually lead to the same place.

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #248 on: April 14, 2014, 08:46:33 PM »
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« Reply #249 on: April 14, 2014, 10:58:33 PM »
Luc,  I understand what you are saying but did you read my own post I've quoted below?   The biggest problem is when knowledgeable sounding people say it can't work (even though they haven't tried it) others are SWAYED to believe it is not worth trying.   Thus the one person who may have got the right MIX for free energy never tried and it is LOST and FORGOTTEN possibly FOREVER leaving our planet to continue on it's path to eventual self destruction from dirty coal, oil and nuclear power.   I think THAT is worth countering the naysayers.   

I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way.   If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??   

   My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying.    To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous.   There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy.    That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here.    If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy. 
   
   This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power.   So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work.   If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #250 on: April 14, 2014, 11:06:19 PM »
Just wanted to add since this is a fairly hot topic that we have a full moon (Blood moon even) coming tomorrow night.   Ask any cop who has been around awhile how domestic violence increases during full moons.   I mention this because it seems things are heating up a bit in here so try to keep it civil.   that means you too steeltpu. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #251 on: April 15, 2014, 12:15:31 AM »
Gentlemen:

I am not interested in any conflicts.  Based on what I observed from the beginning, I rendered my opinion.  Then the other day I made a long posting that was basically an editorial.  I lamented the fact that no proper measurements were made and that nobody speaks up about things like that.  If you guys don't demand a certain bare minimum of evidence when people present their free energy propositions, then this vicious circle will never stop.  I have said my piece, there is no need to repeat it.  I do not want to be an "issue" on this thread, the issue is the QEG and if it will ever come to fruition.

So I offer to help Luc and Woopy.  I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test.  I get beat down for suggesting the test.  Then I suggest using a compass to check for remnant magnetism and I get accused of trying to suggest a fake test that is a setup to fail.  It's not true and I post the proper test.  I use the word "we" and I am accused of having a multiple personality.  I am only human, and I can't know about all of the information about the QEG project.  I mention the 4 kilowatt output test and lack of information about it and I am accused of being a liar.  That crossed a line for me.

This is all ridiculous.  I am not an issue here and I have no desire whatsoever to be an issue.

Now, if in a week or two, somebody posts a video clip and claims over unity and the measurements aren't even done or they are done improperly, I may post that observation.  But it shouldn't only be me, you guys should be saying the same thing.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #252 on: April 15, 2014, 01:20:27 AM »
MH,  I think you know this but I'll say it anyway.   The idea behind the QEG is that it will be self running once it is started and flipped over to it's own power without any batteries needed or external power.   So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb.    The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices. 
    If you are instead referring to the tests some people are doing here to validate the basic concept then yes correct measurements are needed.
    Having seen the latest QEG update video though it seems they have found the resonance point starts producing by far the most output when using higher voltage.  He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.   The output then needs to be stepped down with a transformer or high voltage inverter.   So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation to handle the higher voltages and designing an inverter to step down to the correct voltage and frequency (which he indicated is not hard for an inverter company or engineer to design and something I believe he said he would try doing when he gets time).   
   After seeing that video I sense NO deception at all from the main engineer but rather concern for getting all the challenges resolved as quickly as possible.   Considering the amount of work and effort he is putting into this I find it hard to believe he would even have started this without thoroughly checking out what Witts or Thrapp had to make sure it was indeed a working device.    In the past I had concluded the Witts device built by Thrapp was possibly fake but I do not believe that is the case now. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #253 on: April 15, 2014, 01:23:27 AM »
gotoluc:
Thanks for your input on the idea that I posted to test QEG effects, it's good to get technical and fabrication feedback from you and others.  It had not occurred to me that cutting/machining transformer cores will cause them to swell if laminates are not compressed tightly due to the fine metal fillings creeping in between laminations, good thing to know ahead of time to save time and material cost. 

In your recent videos we saw the high voltages that you generated with your MOT test setup and it was reported that high voltage arcing caused winding damage in Taiwan which required rewinding.  The primary winding capacitance is speced for 25kV and James Robitaille reported in the last Taiwan update video that they were now temporarily using a spark plug as a spark gap to protect this windings from arc damage.  He has also concluded that the right way to do it is to vacuum impregnate the windings of the QEG toroid to prevent the arc damage.  I state this because I have a real interest in learning more about this high voltage effect.  I'll PM you about any help I can provide you to conduct further testing.

Others With Technical Interest:
In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance, so no question this effect alone will be a challenge to replicate while testing with different cores, windings and configurations.  I'm interested in reviewing a detailed technical description from someone with good technical knowledge as to how this high voltage is build up and generated with no magnets, no rotor windings, and no external power based on the FTW QEG toroid configuration. 

I understand that residual/low level magnetism could play a role in combination with the primary resonant LC circuit (L=30-40H and C=0.125uF) but could parametric oscillation with the varying inductance parameter be playing a role in achieving 20+kV?  Is the high RPM required to generate short pulses which will abruptly collapse the field?  I'm also puzzled as to how the reported output frequency of ~400Hz is achieved with a single bar rotor and a 4 pole toroid at a rotor RPM of 1330-1450?  Is electrical resonance playing a greater role than mechanical action/resonance? 

No QEG data has been provided that would help explain the high voltage effect at the reported output frequency.  I see no alternative to better understand it than by way of experimental testing - and a good technical description of how the high 20+kV is generated would help us better understand it and the tuning involved thus also help replicate it.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #254 on: April 15, 2014, 02:18:40 AM »

The QEG is based upon Nikola Tesla's patent #511,916.


Therein, Tesla states:
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I have shown and described a form of engine invented by me, which, under the influence of an applied force such as the elastic tension of steam or a gas under pressure, yields an oscillation of constant period.


A spring or a pendulum, once set into oscillation, requires very little energy input to maintain an isochronous [Equal in duration or interval] oscillation.


Tesla worded it this way in his patent:
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It is a well known mechanical principle that if a spring possessing a sensible inertia be brought under tension, as by being stretched, and then freed, it will perform vibrations which are isochronous, and as to period, in the main, dependent upon the rigidity of the spring, and its own inertia or that of the system of which it may form an immediate part. This is known to be true in all cases where the force which tends to bring the spring or movable system into a given position is proportionate to the displacement.


Joseph Newman stated that his experiments proved to him that:
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Magnetic fields consist of particles which have mechanical characteristics.


I believe the above statement to be incorrect, only that it should be correctly stated in the following way:


Magnetic fields are formed by particles which have mechanical characteristics.


I believe atoms are those particles.


Newman also asserts the following:
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The prior teachings indicate that copper is non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives the observer.


This, I believe to be true. And furthermore, I also believe that it is atom alignment that has to do with any detectable magnetic polarity within a section of wire or core material.


It becomes evident that it is atomic alignment that causes a magnetic field during an applied voltage.
1.) During atomic realignment (from an applied voltage), a moving magnetic field can be detected until the atoms reach their tension point.
2.) If the voltage is slowly removed then the tension on the atoms is also gradually removed and the magnetic field can be seen to gradually collapse.
3.) If the voltage is inverted then one can detect the magnetic field polarity reversal. This means that the atoms are under tension in the opposite direction.


 NOW, HERE IS A KEY INGREDIENT THAT CAN MAKE THE PUZZLE COMPLETE.
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?
 Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
 Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?


If the latter is true then this means that the atoms and their alignment in a coil of copper wire or in a core ARE like a spring under tension! And, If this is true then merely finding and then resonating the atomic alignment of the spring-like atoms will produce an alternating magnetic field that will in turn produce an AC current.


A piece of steal will attract either pole of a magnet. It is easy to demonstrate how a bar magnet attached to its center-point by a spring can be made to oscillate by cyclically bringing a peace of steel near it each time the poles reverse in a pendulum-like motion.


Can the same be reproduced in a piece of core material with the individual atoms that it is made up of?


Food for thought!


Maybe someone out there can test this out.


MagnaMoRo

 

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