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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1417670 times)

Offline vidbid

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #225 on: April 14, 2014, 06:20:49 AM »
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.

What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago. We only finding out how it works now from James, who gave us the construction plans this year, free and to everybody.

So, I must completely disagree with your statement.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #226 on: April 14, 2014, 06:21:47 AM »
Jbignes5:

You can start by toning down the rhetoric.  You don't need to portray this bad ass Marlon Brando character from The Wild One.  It's ridiculous.

I am not aware of any specific details about driving the 4 kilowatt load, are you?

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They have clearly stated the voltage and the amps for the device. 2-4k volts at 5-10 amps.

Yeah, that represents power output between 10 kilowatts and 40 kilowatts.  Please give me the link where they show how they measured this power output.

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No magic huh? You tell me anyone and I mean anyone that can get power from nothing more then coils on the field cores and just a normal rotor with no magnets or coils on that? The input is mechanical only, so you tell me?

I will believe it when I see a) three independent replications by outside parties not associated with HopeGirl and her organization were everything is properly documented and credible, and b) proper validation by a real engineering test lab run by professionals that will sign off on the setup and measurements.

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So now it is in your ballpark LIAR.

We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.  I have read you and debated you over time.  Don't stick your fingers into technical matters with respect to electronics.  The reason for that is that you don't possess the knowledge to make any comments.  You barely have a clue with respect to electronics and you don't have the slightest clue how a coil actually works.  Your comments and suggestions to people about their circuits are nothing more than random pot-shots and once in a while you might get lucky and hit the side of a barn.  Most of the time they are wild misses that don't even make sense.

You got that?  If you want to provide support and motivation to any replicators that's fine.  But for electronics stuff, keep your hands in your pockets and look at the blinking lights, but no more that that.  A foolish, ignorant, or stupid comment from you could cause someone to get a nasty shock because some people may end up playing with high voltage.

Good, now people are fully aware of your limitations and if you were wise you would govern yourself in a way that reflects your limitations.

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Here is a prediction for you. When this starts to ramp up are you gonna tell us your address so we can come congratulate you in person of what a jerk you are?

My prediction is that this is not going to have a happy ending.  If I win do you want a bad-ass leather jacket to compenssate for your unhappiness?

From now on I expect you to be civil with me.  Refrain from making whackadoo electronics suggestions because you don't know what you are talking about.  I am perfectly willing to be civil with you.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #227 on: April 14, 2014, 06:26:55 AM »
Vidbid:

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What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago.

The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers.  They are considered to be low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.

If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #227 on: April 14, 2014, 06:26:55 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #228 on: April 14, 2014, 06:30:01 AM »
Vidbid:

The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers.  They are considered low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.

If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.

MileHigh


YOU ARE WRONG. You have no permission to speak on my behalf. You seemed to assume everyone thinks you are smart but reality is most people 'avoid' you because you're contentious and a empty vessel. Try to learn something about yourself.


cheers
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #229 on: April 14, 2014, 06:36:55 AM »
No, ChrisC, I am RIGHT, I have read it hundreds of times by many posters.  I guess "nearly everyone" doesn't include you.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #229 on: April 14, 2014, 06:36:55 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #230 on: April 14, 2014, 06:37:51 AM »
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
It is therefore a flawed assumption to think think they could replicate or base their technology on a flawed design.

I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds that have never been demonstrated to work. There is a difference between speculating and claiming.

I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #231 on: April 14, 2014, 06:47:40 AM »
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds.
I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/


Kind Regards
Mark


Don't be so sure Mark. I admire your persistence in verifying details and you should. Let's just sit tight and wait. If people can't understand this electro-mechanical resonance is different from their grandfather's way of pursuing O.U via magnets and other torroids, then they just need to be patient and wait. The core construction is not something that can be done by normal builders but people with specialized equipment maybe able to construct it once further improvement details are available.
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #231 on: April 14, 2014, 06:47:40 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #232 on: April 14, 2014, 08:15:23 AM »

 Farmhand,


 The inductances have only a part in the whole machine. What they are saying is the high voltage comes from the Steel as a piezo type effect. Don't know if I agree but that is the source of the voltage. The coils then boost that voltage. The switching of the inductances only is used to route the voltage after it is picked up and is a guide for magnetic forces after the process starts.. Of course after the magnetics start shortcutting and cutting the coil it runs in resonance. The extra generation is from the magnetic field being channeled into the rotor then going into various portions of the toroid. But I will have to look at it way more closely to understand the basic function.


 This is very familiar isn't it Farmhand? The only difference I can see from this and my angle is that they don't have a central Coil on the rotor to pull off Current from the magnetic portion of the device that travels along the rotor. Oh wait the system I was looking at uses two phases and is actively driven from a magneto. With the prime mover already integrated into this system you won't have switching problems like they are having.

Here's what I think, It won't hurt to build such an arrangement somewhat smaller but make it so that it can be used as an isolation transformer or can be overwound for a step down converter or even used as a regular motor or generator if the QEG fails to work.

I already have made one and partially made another toroidal transformer with coils wound on the four quadrants, I made mine with good core insulation and wound the thousands of turns of 0.5 mm wire neatly by hand with home made saturated bees wax paper in between each layer, with mine I wound a pair of 1 mm wire coils for one layer right on the core first so I can use it as an inverter transformer.

Anyway the point is that such a core and coil set would still be useful to have.

It took me a long time to make them because I did it all by hand, I used induction motor laminated steel from a 8.5 kw motor and cut the pole projections off the individual core plates using metal shears (which did a neat job) but I only used about 20 mm of plates when I should have used about 100 mm then the core would be 100 mm wide and 30 mm radial depth, which would work better for a motor or generator because a wider rotor can be used but not so important for a transformer or converter.

It could probably take the high voltage because of how I made it.

If I used the one I have I could get the spacer blocks to be only about 10 to 15 mm between the coils with a rotor and block width of 40 mm or so it would have an overall core diameter of 220 mm, the smaller the device though, the lower the inductance and that would require a higher frequency/rotor speed.

If I seen any reason to believe it works I would build one. But there is no evidence, only claims or promises or observations whatever they be referred to as. There is reference to two Tesla patents but no Technical explanation as to how these Tesla devices produced OU (which they didn't and were never claimed to by Tesla) or any explanation to even how the Tesla patents actually relate to the device.

Consider this, even if a person was to build a good replication and showed hours of video of it not working and thousands of words explaining what has been done and tried and that it still does not work, it would make little difference to anything.

Cheers


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #233 on: April 14, 2014, 10:39:05 AM »
..concensus on this forum..

When did technology start regarding people's opinions?

..have never demonstrated anything credible.

Would that include the two demonstrations of the WITTS generator in videos they produced and of which the current QEG's design is based?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #233 on: April 14, 2014, 10:39:05 AM »
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« Reply #234 on: April 14, 2014, 10:55:29 AM »
Hi guys,
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #235 on: April 14, 2014, 11:05:34 AM »
..as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices.

Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?

Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #235 on: April 14, 2014, 11:05:34 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #236 on: April 14, 2014, 11:20:25 AM »
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance
Is their support voltage capacitors, because if they have a big quality factor in series  it may be causing the decrease is due to the fact that the capacitors will not longer support a certain voltage.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #237 on: April 14, 2014, 12:39:21 PM »
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k

laurent

Hi Laurent,

The question of Lenz (though it is not easy) could be figured out from the Lazarev paper,  PDF page 6,  where Foucault current is mentioned: it is eddy current which is induced in the rotating Aluminium plate, just like as Alu disks are used in utility electric power meters.     Quote from page 6:
"The aggregate loss data, via self-induction, represents the total loss in the winding, the iron cores used, and the disk. It then becomes especially necessary to address the question of losses originating in the disk. The role of the disk consists of putting energy into the system. The Foucault currents along the disk’s teeth, which interact with the currents of the coils, causes the teeth to be pushed out from the group of coils. In other words, a tooth “standing” in between coils does not convert energy, and pushing “against” the coils is labile and does convert energy. Hence while the teeth are standing in between the coils, the system possesses an energy minimum, while the in the second position a maxima. When transitioning from the first stance (in between coils) to the second, we expend mechanical energy, and obtain operation E1. And backward, at the next transition, from a labile equilibrium in a non-convertible system would be to return energy E2. The total amount of energy that had been acquired during the system’s transition from the first equilibrium stage to that left by the second stage will be equal to  ΔE = E1 - E2  > 0.   This equation is enacted due to the establishment of a corresponding phase of the position between coil current and a standing disk in space. On the other hand, the disk is a main constituent of the entire vibrating system, and we should not import to it greater current losses, as the requirement of self-excitation (Equation 3 in page 2) otherwise will not be satisfied. In other words, the
relaxation time of the disk should not be less than a certain [specified] quantity."     Unquote


I figure that instead of using Alu disk with teeth, perhaps using flat ferrite rods placed radially onto a non magnetic disk (I mean the flat AM antenna ferrite pieces used in pocket AM radio receivers, often called 'loopstick') so that the alternating gaps and flat ferrite-ends at the outer perimeter of the rotor disk could also change the inductance of the facing coils BUT with a minimal eddy current loss.  I know this is a more expensive solution than the cheap Alu disk but eddy loss is not our friend... At ebay there are such flat ferrite rods and no need for long ferrite pieces, the size is defined by the gap siize (cross section of the facing coil cores)
Using laminated core in the gap may sound also good but one has to consider the direction of the flux hitting the laminations in a normal transformer and in such setups: perhaps the eddy loss increases in such setups

The use of flat ferrite pieces is a suggestion of course, not aimed to do by you or someone else, I just think to avoid or minimize
eddy current losses and actually what is needed for changing periodically the inductance of coils is to cause permeability change, hence L inductance change in the tank coils at a minimal loss level possible. 


For those not yet read the Lazarev paper, here is the link, and choose paper #3 "On Hetero-Parametric Excitation": http://www.nedyn.com/para.html 

Gyula

PS: Laurent, if I noticed it correctly, you left the L meter on the coils when you run the rotor disk? this may influence the induced oscillating level across your tank coils.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #238 on: April 14, 2014, 01:42:11 PM »
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Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.
It's good to know that, maybe it would mean that the energy is stored in the alu plate like a sort of capacitor.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #239 on: April 14, 2014, 01:55:33 PM »
The only question is that in these conditions the generator that feeds the input is easier or as easy to turn that than without the alu plate?

 

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