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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #165 on: April 12, 2014, 10:07:28 AM »
Gotoluc thx you for your efforts.

But  the QEG is made to be built with a toroidal core, and I believe the price of a correct replica was rather high mainly due to the exotic cores.

Im interrested in materials, but I'm waiting for robitaille to come up with a satisfying enough video.

Also, Piezo effect has me worried about the wires.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #166 on: April 12, 2014, 10:45:46 AM »
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper.

Thank you very much for posting the link to the paper.

If the paper is searched for the word "rupture", two hits result.  Reading near these two sections I note similarities to Luc's experiment and his experience with destructive vibration.

I cannot vouch for the QEG.  My interest is in measurement of seemingly outlying phenomena with a view to explaining them.

The paper is interesting in that a machine is described wherein they claim: 

"The apparatus permitted production of the parametric excitation of rather powerful oscillations in the circuit shown in Figure 62, which has no current or voltage source."

Remarkable?  Nonsensical?  I find it difficult to decide.  Experiment seems required.

The apparatus uses a serrated aluminum disk - not an electrical steel laminated rotor like the QEG.

It is my opinion that investigation of these systems will lead to valuable learning whether they succeed as OU or not.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2014, 12:52:27 PM by nickec »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #167 on: April 12, 2014, 11:29:09 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #168 on: April 12, 2014, 12:27:12 PM »
I find it interesting woopys and  lucs experiments but this ftw story is growing smellier by the day.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #169 on: April 12, 2014, 12:45:43 PM »
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.

Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.

Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #170 on: April 12, 2014, 01:03:34 PM »
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.

Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.

Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.

I agree, though I wonder if Helmholz coils are enough to eliminate interaction with, insane though it may seem, "the rest of the universe".

If matter has an electrical component, as the consensus view insists, then moving matter always moves charge.  A crazy notion, I admit.

When I say "moving matter" I mean relative to other objects, i.e.:  I moved the cube closer to the disk.

When I say "crazy notion" I refer to the phrase "moving matter always moves charge" which could be rewritten as "changing the location of an object is an act that results in moving charge".

I regret any ambiguity my post contains and hope that it communicates something useful.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #171 on: April 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM »
about the varying inductance thing, I didn't watch Luc's video but I did watch Woopy's.

Umm, I can sit a transformer on the bench not connected to anything except the scope and get over 5 volts from the two FWBR's connected to it's outputs, it is induced by the house currents, however virtually no power can be utilized from it as the voltage just flat lines on loading. Showing these neat effects are all well and good but have their place and are next to useless.

How much power can the setup dissipate in a resister compared to the input power ? That's what it's all about isn't it ? Is it OU ? Can it be ? How ? These are the questions we must ask ourselves.

Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research.  ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not.  ;)

I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims.  Perfect.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #171 on: April 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #172 on: April 12, 2014, 02:18:33 PM »

Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research.  ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not.  ;)

I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims.  Perfect.

Very Enterprising indeed
And the fund raising/ here we go again, from the same Facebook entry “In full transparency I want everyone to know how important it was to me to present the QEG to all of you today. I spent 17 hours on a plane from Taiwan just to be here in person. I spent hours putting together the presentation. And not only was I not paid to speak, but I spent close to $4,000 of my own money to pay for my travel expenses, including an $835 required donation to the event manager for the privilege of getting up there to present to you. Why? Because IT IS THAT IMPORTANT TO ME TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE.:”[/font][/size]
So lets see the definition of her own money. (thanks to Doug for compiling this)  Crowd funding (Fix the World and QEG):[/font][/size]
Bring Hope to Australia and New Zealand ($5,290 of $5,000 goal) (gofundme.com)
Help Bring Energy and Hope to Morocco! ($8,062 of $6,460 goal) (gofundme.com)
Fix the World Hope For America Tour ($3,817 of $40,000 goal) (gofundme.com)
Fix the World Org. Help keep us Going! ($25,762 of $50,000 goal) (gofundme.com)
Angels in Boston * HopeGirl & Fix The World Documentary ($2,556 of $2,500 goal) (indiegogo.com)
December Soft Launch Administration Funding ($1,055 of $85,000 goal) (indiegogo.com)
Peoples Fund Administrative Start Up Revised for 2014 ($1,009 of $10,000 goal) (indiegogo.com)
HopeGirl: Fix The World Documentary ($4,781 of $26,990 goal) (indiegogo.com)
Home Quantum Energy Generator ($18,064 of $7,610 goal) (indiegogo.com)
Bring Quantum Generators to the World! ($29,421 of $20,000 goal) (gofundme.com)[/font][/size]
The above excludes direct donations and other sources we do not even know about.[/font][/size]
Kind Regards[/font][/size]
Mark[/font][/size]

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #173 on: April 12, 2014, 02:35:53 PM »
Mark:

Well, I thought that she had taken in about $28,000.  She is taking advantage of a modern marketing trick.  It's easier in this day and age to design and manufacture many variations on the same theme.  You give consumers so much choice that you are bound to make a "hit" and make a sale.   Thirty years ago you might have a choice of three basic types of Crest toothpaste and only one version of Tylenol.  Try going into a pharmacy today and see how many types of Crest toothpaste and Tylenol there are.  It's ridiculous in a way, but you increase your revenue and that's all that counts.

So Hopegirl is casting a wide funding net indeed.  "She" is playing the new "market," crowd funding.  It's another very sobering aspect of the whole drama.  I still have a sneaking suspicion that this is just a few bright individuals that put their minds together and "manufactured" this whole scenario.  Crowd funding is the new frontier in easy money and you have to assume that some unscrupulous people are going to go after that revenue pie.  It could very well be a Yellow free energy pitch.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #173 on: April 12, 2014, 02:35:53 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #174 on: April 12, 2014, 03:15:31 PM »
@woopy

Try it with a capacitor across the coil and it will do like @gotolucs because the increase in the cap coil will simply produce an electromagnet that will then seize the rotor.

@Gotoluc

As usual your vids (and @woopys') are the standard of excellence always clear and concise.

Of course both of your tests are a type of analog to the QEG but not in the perfect sense where in your MOT usage your plane of passage in much thicker then the 4 passage points in the QEG. Also your coils are right on the receiving core whereas the QEG coils are further away I guess in a effort to pull away any energy production from the passage cores.

In your set-up, there are still many variables to try out. hehehe Always variables.

Some come to mind.

1) Put primary in series with secondary then to the bulbs to see if the primary polarity can be canceled by the secondary polarities if they were in series to eliminate the inductive force on the E core center. You would have to try in both connection modes.

2) Put primaries in series with the secondaries of the other MOT and try the same things.

3) Put pri to pri in series (try both ways) and put both secs in parallel.

4) etc. etc., there may be an unexpected effect there.

So any energy left in the system will produce an electromagnet and the proverbial drag that we see in standard motors is basically the same thing. Any energy increase in the coils, the metal core becomes an electromagnet that will seize the rotor. This will happen in your and in the QEG but in the QEG they put the coils further away, but this distance from the real change point (point of passage) will produce less output so you find yourself again in a situation of give and take. The only difference here is that the impress is a result of a rapid change in inductance and not the north/south passage of a field in a preset inductance. Basically what you have shown is that both actions create the same problem when done mechanically. I cannot say how much promise this would have.

The thing really boils down to effects and there are millions of ways to generate such effects but do they then deserve all the fanfare in terms of furthering development, maybe, but my gut tells me not. 1, 2, 3 years more on this and I cannot see where there could be enough of an advancement to make a clear difference in this outcome.

You see, any idea is always a potential build, potential effect, potential drawbacks, and more or less, potential dead ends, save the fact that any effect observed is a learning experience.

I prefer to do such exercises in my mind where I have enough experience now to draw on before undertaking a project. If it is not clear in the vision function I will not start. This is why, like you, I always do small effects testing. Each one adding to the next in learn mode.

The other problem I see with the QEG is the promise of replication and easy dissemination will not be that easy because the device requires special machining, materials, huge windings so the end cost would be extremely more expensive and therefore, for me, it is not what the world needs. It will be chock full of breakage problems and there is a limit to how much money one should spend to fight against normal phenomena. The QEG as it is now shown will also require years of R&D just to see how the best method of windings instead of that bloated bunch of windings I see right now. If they do not have a coil winding specialist in their midst, they risk wasting years just on that part of device.

Of course if the QEG intention is to attract investment into a device that may be considered in perpetual R&D, then it will attract perpetual funds and create financial OU for those involved. Wow, did I say that?

Now if this idea also tried to integrate some of the ideas @JackH (Jack Hildenbrand) brought forward in terms of mechanically diverting the lines of force during rotation, then maybe there is some promise but the QEG does not have anything in there along those lines. A group would be much better off following the JH or trying to find where his devices are now located (since his passing away) then to work on a QEG. Much more promise.

- Unrelated -

But your very nice I-Coreless MOTs (ICMs) have given me an unrelated idea if you ever go to that route. Ever consider putting two ICMs like you have, just one on top facing the other, that is, both MOTs held together via the primary sides. This would give you a dual MOT with two pris in center and two secs to play around with. hehehe   That would be even more promising I think in terms of havoc creation. It may be (MAY BE) possible to drive one primary, use the second primary as a return to source, then use both secs to drive a load. Of course the variables are many. This would be an avenue of R&D that I would consider as much more interesting and if shown any promise would be a very simple solution for many OU R&Ders.

I am busy with "TPU studies" so not really considering any more build distractions save the fun I have reading some of these threads. Always a treat.

Keep up the good work.

wattsup

PS: I will be opening a new thread on what I consider as being a new idea (many ideas, not many lives) I have that may be interesting for you and others to consider in small scale. hehehe







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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #175 on: April 12, 2014, 04:21:24 PM »
Wattsup:

For Gotoluc and Woopy' test, there is no compelling need to start changing any variables for now.  The standard setups can generate good data.

The most basic test is to run the motor with the coils unloaded and observe the output voltage.  If you are concerned that the voltage may be very high, then start with the coil loaded with something like a 100-ohm resistor.  Then you can increase the value of the resistance and monitor the voltage.  The true goal is to observe the coil output with no load and see how much EMF is being generated.

Then check for residual magnetism.  If you find any residual magnetism in the cores then you want to undertake to completely demagnetize the cores and rerun the EMF generation test to see if there are any changes.  You probably want to demagnetize the cores anyways because you might not have a way to know how sensitive your residual magnetism test is.  So there could be residual magnetism in the cores and you might not be able to measure it.

Then there is another check with respect to the motor itself.  Is the motor emitting any stray magnetic fields while it runs that may interact with one or both cores?  If it does, that could be responsible for the EMF generation in the coils.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #176 on: April 12, 2014, 05:05:28 PM »
The below was poster by pmgriphone at EF topic

The rotor will vibrate because of the magnetic forces that build up in the core. Simulations show that a force does build up between rotor and core when flux moves through the rotor. These forces can become quite large and thus a sturdy build with tight tolerances is necessary.
 
 I have done quite a few simulations now analyzing the complete system with inductances, mutual inductances, resonances, etc. and here is what I find from the simulations:
 
 1. The system is started up by parametric excitation of the inductance of the primary coils. Quite a few links have been posted in this thread about parametric excitation, so if you wish know what that is all about, read some of those papers (a lot of them were written in the 1930s).
 
 2. Starting up the system is no magic. It can all be explained with normal electrical equations. Current noise (e.g. a pA in my simulations) in the coils will grow to about a few 100mA in the primary coils and the voltages associated with that run in the kV range. In my simulations I have seen voltages oscillate with magnitudes of 1kV to 20kV depending on system parameters that you set (inductances, modulation index of inductances, coil resistances, etc.). The capacitance sets the electrical resonance frequency. Tuning the system (electrically and mechanically), it is very easy to get high voltage spikes that can burn out the isolation on the coils (which is what happened in Taiwan). From my simulations, I find typical stable voltages for the primary coils around 2kV-5kV range. The secondary coils run at a factor Nsec/Nprim = 350/3100 = 0.113 lower than that, so in the couple of 100 volt range.
 
 3. The humming that was witnessed is most likely caused by the enormous flux densities in the transformer core and due to the fact that the core is laminated. A normal transformer also hums. Vibrations occur when the rotor closes in to the core or moves away from it AND a flux is going from core through rotor back to core.
 
 4. Parametric excitation can occur at multiple frequencies. Typically, the inductance is modulated at a frequency of 2v (v= Greek nu) while the electrical resonance is set at f = n*v/2 with n an integer. It is easiest to find a stable region when the electrical resonance is set at the smallest n number (n=1). In this particular case, the rotor runs at frequency v and the inductance is modulated at 4v, so the electrical resonance should be preferably set at 2v. In this case it appears the resonance starts occurring at a rotor speed of 1500rpm (about 25 Hz), so inductance is modulated at 100Hz. James indicates the output frequency is around 400Hz, which would mean he set the electrical frequency at a multiplier of n=8.
 
 5. The second set of coils is basically a copy of the first set of coils and they perform a similar role. I hope to discuss this in more detail later.
 
 I have attached a few figures that show how the high voltage develops in the primary coils. You have to pick the parameters right to get a steady state solution. It is very easy for the voltage to go out of bound (which would fry the coils due to high voltage arcing).
 
 The image QEG_StartUp.jpg shows how the resonance starts from 1pA of noise in the primary coils.
 
 The image QEG_Transient.jpg shows the transient behavior from startup to steady state. You can see the voltage initially overshoot to over 4kV, then settle down to about 2.8kV.
 
 The image QEG_SteadyState.jpg show the steady state in detail: as explained before the inductance is modulated at 4v (4x per rotation). The electrical resonance frequency is tuned to 2v with the capacitance. Both the voltage and current oscillate at 2v (50Hz). Note that the capacitance can be choosen so as to resonate at a higher harmonic (e.g. in James' case n=8).
 
 But now comes the questionable part of all of the above.
 
 The problem with parametric excitation is that it is very hard to get any kind of power out of the system without destroying the resonance condition. The energy in the primary system runs about a 2-3 joules. Energy for each of the elements is 1/2L*i*i for the coils, 1/2C*V*V for the capacitor and power loss is R*i*i in the coil resistance. All these translate to about 125W total in the coil and capacitor together and about 3W loss in the coil resistance.
 
 So the question now remains if it is possible to extract energy from this parametric system without destroying the resonance...
 
 For that I would like to know exactly how the bulbs are hooked up into the system and if the exciter is present or not when Taiwan tried to tune the QEG to resonance.
 
 Enjoy!  PmgR

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #177 on: April 12, 2014, 05:16:12 PM »
This is a post by john_g of EF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0xMElhN7c
 
 Note - I made a mistake at the end of the video, I should have said 300 to 400 Milli-volts, but I said micro-volts ops!
 
 I wonder what the effect of a tuning fork held onto the case would be?  Related, but I do not want to go off-topic

Link to EF topic:  Wesley Gary Magnetic Motor revisited
 
 Regards
 
 John

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Link to Patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US1909414

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #178 on: April 12, 2014, 07:11:54 PM »



 Luc you might want to get rid of the poles the way you have them. They are the source of the braking effect. Try a toroid instead. The pulling will be from every angle to each pole in the channel. This should get rid of the cogging and braking effect. If there is no poles the rotor channel will be pulled from all sides evenly and no cogging or breaking should happen. The channel will cause the diversion of the field in the core because it has less resistance in a half of the whole circle. Meaning the flux should go with the least resistance pathway. That should be the rotor channel.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #179 on: April 12, 2014, 07:57:49 PM »
   Hey Luc, Great test, the ability for resonance is there. As far as the " breaking effect", to me and this is just my observation, it does not sound like breaking as in rubbing or magnetic drag. It sound like the the vibration of resonance is just making the rotor slap the side of the the E core. The rotor comes to a complete stop and then starts up again. I think the rotor is flexing and slamming into the core.  Im sure you are already making your improvements to go on.
   Is there any evidence of the rotor hitting the edges of the E core? Anyway great experiment looking forward to more.

 Nolan

 

 

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