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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #840 on: May 11, 2014, 02:37:17 PM »
Nice work Ariovaldo!

You show the motor is consuming 760W. And the current probe shows 1.88Amps (?). What is the voltage on the secondaries? I can't determine it from the video as the motor sound is too loud over your voice.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #841 on: May 11, 2014, 02:58:39 PM »
Ari

By my estimation 1.9 Arms in the secondary is pushing the limit for 20AWG in a transformer, where a safe current limit is 3 A/mm^2.  20AWG is about 0.5mm^2, which would work out to 1.5 Arms.  So if you ran the thing for a while at the level, you might over heat the primary winding. 

My guess is that you could add some more light bulbs.  The QEG has the interesting behavior of putting out more power as the output resistance is increased, right up until the point the resonance get damped out. 

Did you say the frequency of the primary was 192Hz?

You might want to see what kind of voltage is developing across a single lamp.

What are those 100W lamps?

Cheers,

Fred
Fred,
The frequency is in the secondary . 192/195 Hz. The current is in the secondary. My secondary is the same that the "hope girl" shows in the schematics, just the wires has diferent size. Instead 350 turns of 10 Awg, I had 350 turns of 2X16 awg that is a little bit less amps than 10 Awg, but enough for the load..The lights bulbs are in parallel, so has 120 volts across.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #842 on: May 11, 2014, 03:21:13 PM »
Is it close to the resonance frequency by calculation?
Apparently you use supercap no?
They not have a realy high dielectric strength.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #842 on: May 11, 2014, 03:21:13 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #843 on: May 11, 2014, 03:41:59 PM »
Ari,

Can you make a posting where you state your measurements and observations?  Also a simple schematic of your setup and your measurement points?

It's important to present your measurements yourself, along with your YouTube clip.  Even if the measurements are disappointing it's very important to state them.  Everyone that does a replication should do the same thing.  That also applies to the 'official' teams in Taiwan and Morocco and everyone else.  I have to assume that some of those teams are also following this thread.  Proper measurements and proper documentation are critical issues in understanding what is going on.

For example, what is the output frequency?  Are you using a clamp-on meter to measure the current through the light bulbs?  Is the clamp-on meter able to properly measure current at the measured output frequency?  If you are not sure then what is the manufacturer and part number for the clamp-on meter?  Is the clamp-on meter only able to measure the RMS value for a sine wave or is the clamp-on meter a true-RMS clamp-on meter?  What is the voltage waveform like across the light bulbs themselves?  That's an example of how important it is for any experimenter to properly document what they are doing and how and where they are making their measurements.

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Good morning!
I will try to answer the questions!
1) Coils- Primary:- 2 coils of 20 AWG wire 3050 turns each one. The inductance with the rotor installed is about 15 H each one. This change when I run the rotor by hand...
2) Capacitors: The capacitors bank are 7.600 volts rated and I have more than 30KV of insulation calculated and I have 0.156 uF using my " cheap"  instrument. Calculated should be 0.125 uF.
3) Coil- Secondary:- 2 coils of 2X16 AWG wire 350 turns each one.
4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?


I will post some more information.
About schematic, I will try to send it tomorrow. Here in my home I have just iPad and it's no so friendly for me.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #844 on: May 11, 2014, 04:18:45 PM »
Ari,

As James said the thing will kind of phase lock.  Really a wall of resistance to drive torque forms at the resonant frequency.  It requires more and more drive torque as the system approaches the exact resonant frequency, and it will output more and more power in proportion to that drive.  Then if even more power is applied the rotor speed will exceed the resonant frequency of the primary circuit and the resistance to input drive will fall off sharply and the resonant oscillations in the primary will stop.

What is the inductance of the primary when the rotor is aligned perfectly with a pole, and what is the inductance of the primary when the rotor it aligned perfectly in between poles.

I was also wondering about the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings.

Thank you for your previous answers.

Cheers,

Fred

By the way, the cogging torque of the QEG is probable causing jitter in the angular velocity of the rotor, and that jitter is probable giving the tachometer a hard time determining a steady state rpm.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #844 on: May 11, 2014, 04:18:45 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #845 on: May 11, 2014, 04:26:22 PM »
MileHigh
Good morning!
I will try to answer the questions!
1) Coils- Primary:- 2 coils of 20 AWG wire 3050 turns each one. The inductance with the rotor installed is about 15 H each one. This change when I run the rotor by hand...
2) Capacitors: The capacitors bank are 7.600 volts rated and I have more than 30KV of insulation calculated and I have 0.156 uF using my " cheap"  instrument. Calculated should be 0.125 uF.
3) Coil- Secondary:- 2 coils of 2X16 AWG wire 350 turns each one.
4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?


I will post some more information.
About schematic, I will try to send it tomorrow. Here in my home I have just iPad and it's no so friendly for me.


5) The instruments a) Clamp-meter :- I'm using a cheap one just for amps, but is true rms.
b) Scope:- I'm using a RIGOL DS1102E, for volts and frequency. The lead scale that I'm using is 10X.
6) The load:- I'm using 8X60 watts lights bulbs.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #846 on: May 11, 2014, 04:38:59 PM »
@ariovaldo
"4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?"

This is exactely what Tesla write in is 511916 patent claim's: see the last words of his patent.

http://exvacuo.free.fr/div/Sciences/Brevets/Tesla/US000511916%20-%20N%20Tesla%20-%20Electric%20generator%20-%201894.pdf

"6. The method of producing electric currents of constant period herein described
which consists in imparting the oscillations of an engine to the moving element of an electric generator and regulating the period of mechanical oscillation by an adjustment of
the reaction of the electric generator, as herein set forth. "

"The method of producing electric currents of constant period herein described   ...   and regulating the period of mechanical oscillation by an adjustment of the reaction of the electric generator" :

He never pretend something else...

Bravo for your work, your are the first to got and describe the result!
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #846 on: May 11, 2014, 04:38:59 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #847 on: May 11, 2014, 04:40:32 PM »
Ari,

As James said the thing will kind of phase lock.  Really a wall of resistance to drive torque forms at the resonant frequency.  It requires more and more drive torque as the system approaches the exact resonant frequency, and it will output more and more power in proportion to that drive.  Then if even more power is applied the rotor speed will exceed the resonant frequency of the primary circuit and the resistance to input drive will fall off sharply and the resonant oscillations in the primary will stop.

What is the inductance of the primary when the rotor is aligned perfectly with a pole, and what is the inductance of the primary when the rotor it aligned perfectly in between poles.

I was also wondering about the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings.

Thank you for your previous answers.



Cheers,

Fred

By the way, the cogging torque of the QEG is probable causing jitter in the angular velocity of the rotor, and that jitter is probable giving the tachometer a hard time determining a steady state rpm.
The inductance when I turn the rotor slowly goes up 20 Henries that is the max scale in my instrument...
I made a test, disconnecting the primary and put a 15 uF capacitor in the secondary. When I run the system, it resonate in a low speed and lost the resonance after speed up...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #848 on: May 11, 2014, 05:29:44 PM »
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The inductance when I turn the rotor slowly goes up 20 Henries that is the max scale in my instrument...
I made a test, disconnecting the primary and put a 15 uF capacitor in the secondary. When I run the system, it resonate in a low speed and lost the resonance after speed up...

1/(2*Pi*SquarR(20*0,000015))=9,19 Hz

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #848 on: May 11, 2014, 05:29:44 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #849 on: May 11, 2014, 05:37:24 PM »
1/(2*Pi*SquarR(20*0,000015))=9,19 Hz
Don't forget that I installed the capacitor in the secondary.....

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #850 on: May 11, 2014, 06:14:14 PM »
I would like to register that I'm not here to judge somebody that is claim overunity and I'm not claim anything...I'm just an old guy that use the spare time to build and to test stuff. I never found any overunity since I beginning 8 years ago.
I mentioned somewhere in this forum, that I'm getting some high voltage leakage in the secondary. This is the same that happened in the witts movie ( start at 4 minutes)
Check it out..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDIFbcy6WC0


Cheers,


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #851 on: May 11, 2014, 06:53:34 PM »
Ari,

Thank you for all of the information.

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What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?

There is a possible explanation for this.  Assume that when you have resonance that the power goes into the primary resonator and that couples to light bulb load on the secondary quite well.  It's almost like an 'active' coupling because of the LC resonator.  The LC resonator will dissipate as much power as you can put into it, in other words it matches it's power drain to be the same as the power supplied by the source.  When you add the light bulb load assume the effect is still taking place.  (I am assuming that the LC resonator is on the primary like the standard QEG.)

Note that the light bulb load is capable of dissipating more power if you make it available.  When you try to increase the motor speed and add more electrical power, the QEG's resonant tank circuit coupled to the light bulb load absorbs the extra power and couples it to the light bulb load.  This creates more Lens draz on the motor and keeps it at the same speed.

If this is true then it's like there is a "frequency wall" almost like the sound barrier.   If your motor had enough torque it could "break through the wall" and then the LC resonator would go out of resonance and the light bulbs would dim.

This can all be confirmed by making careful measurements.  If what I said is correct then as you add motor power you may only detect a very tiny increase in speed while seeing increases in motor power and light bulb power.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #852 on: May 11, 2014, 07:13:04 PM »
Ari,

Thank you for all of the information.

There is a possible explanation for this.  Assume that when you have resonance that the power goes into the primary resonator and that couples to light bulb load on the secondary quite well.  It's almost like an 'active' coupling because of the LC resonator.  The LC resonator will dissipate as much power as you can put into it, in other words it matches it's power drain to be the same as the power supplied by the source.  When you add the light bulb load assume the effect is still taking place.  (I am assuming that the LC resonator is on the primary like the standard QEG.)

Note that the light bulb load is capable of dissipating more power if you make it available.  When you try to increase the motor speed and add more electrical power, the QEG's resonant tank circuit coupled to the light bulb load absorbs the extra power and couples it to the light bulb load.  This creates more Lens draz on the motor and keeps it at the same speed.

If this is true then it's like there is a "frequency wall" almost like the sound barrier.   If your motor had enough torque it could "break through the wall" and then the LC resonator would go out of resonance and the light bulbs would dim.

This can all be confirmed by making careful measurements.  If what I said is correct then as you add motor power you may only detect a very tiny increase in speed while seeing increases in motor power and light bulb power.

MileHigh
You are right..
For now my motor doesn't have more power to "break this barrier" I can add some resistance in the primary, between the  inductor and the capacitor bank.
Last night, as I said in one of my post, I disconnect the primary and I installed a capacitor in the secondary. The resonant point was in a low speed. At this time, the motor was strong enough to "break the barrier" and  and the lights in the other secondary coil start to dim as the speed increased until the point to lose the resonance.


Cheers


Ariovaldo.


By the way, so far it looks like a normal generator.....nothing new as I expected. But I'm learning a lot...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #853 on: May 11, 2014, 07:28:27 PM »
Some effects that I noticed...
1) With the circuit open the secondary voltage is very high....I found this last week and I confirmed that now in a hard way. I burned some more lights bulbs.
2) The above effect was proved to be right by disconnecting one of the six lights bulbs. The voltage increased. ( normal)
3) With load or without load, once the resonance is locked, the input is the same...


http://youtu.be/yFr20PLUs6A


That is all for today...


Cheers


Ariovaldo



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #854 on: May 11, 2014, 08:31:36 PM »
From my days of studying output and power transformer design for musical instrument amplifiers, the rule of thumb was 3 A/mm^2, although that was a conservative figure.  So, 2 A/mm^2 for the 20AWG would probably work fine without over heating in the QEG, unless the machine was operated for a long time while sitting out in the sun on a hot day.  Such a occasion might occur if the QEG ever found its way into common use as a generator, as it does on a regular basis for musical instrument amps sitting out on stage.
@F_Brown:

Take a look at the table here:

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

AWG20 is listed at 0.8128mm diameter (or 0.5153 mm^2 area) and the maximum amps for chassis wiring (DC) is listed as 11 Amps. Maximum amps for power transmission is 1.5A, or for AWG20 with 0.5153 mm^2 area, 2.9A/mm^2. This is close to your number of 3A/mm^2. Question remains what frequency this 1.5A number that is stated in the table applies to? 60Hz? 27kHz? Or wired in air (chassis) or in a bundle (power transmission).

Same question for the QEG. The secondaries run at 200Hz. Most likely AWG20 can carry amps somewhere in between 1.5A and 11A depending how tightly packed the coils and what frequency it is run at?

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