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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1537831 times)

Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #705 on: May 04, 2014, 06:03:53 PM »
Captain Zero:

The problem is that your rebuttal stops after the "holes."  You have nothing to say past that point.

Read this and weep:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #706 on: May 04, 2014, 06:09:35 PM »
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html
It ain't over yet.

That is hilarious! UFOPolitics has been carrying on his motor-rewinding thread for well over a year, hasn't made a single Joule of "free energy" and hasn't made any improvements over standard motor winding efficiencies, but a lot of people have spent a lot of time and money entertaining him and giving him a platform for his pronouncements. How many blown mosfets have that group accumulated, I wonder?

So now he's got time to spare, and he's telling everyone about the QEG and how it's supposed to work. What a laugh! He should join their "Team"... he needs a vacation to exotic foreign lands, I can tell.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #707 on: May 04, 2014, 06:28:20 PM »
Now let's complicate it slightly.
In your example above the cause of the inductance change was not given.  It was just abstractly assumed to happen somehow.
In the following exercise, I will attempt to give it a real cause.

Let's propose that the change in inductance is caused by an ideal ferrite core at rest being attracted into that ideal air coil from far away, in absence of gravity, so that its inductance changes from 1H (when the core is away) to 3H (when the core is inside the coil).  See the graph below for a realistic relationship between the core's distance and the inductance of the coil (taken from a real linear motor).
According to your calculations when the core is away the current flowing through the coil is 8.66A and when the core is inside the coil the current flowing in it is 5A. ...Fine.

Let's assume that the acceleration of the core into the coil from 10cm away takes 100ms and when the core reaches the middle of the coil its speed is 1m/s.
10µs before the core reaches the middle of the coil, a switch is opened and all of the energy stored in the coil (37.5J) is discharged into an ideal capacitor in 10µs.  Now all of the energy is in the capacitor and no current flows through the coil. At this point the capacitor is disconnected from the coil (so it cannot recharge the coil back) and the massive core continues on its path with constant velocity because now the coil is opened and has no current flowing in it, thus it cannot exert any force on the departing core.

But wait!  Now, we have all of our input energy recovered in a capacitor but the departing core has significant remaining kinetic energy  :o

Verpies,

A very interesting puzzle indeed and I thought about it.

Think about this:  When the ideal core is being attracted to the ideal coil, that's a linear motor action that's taking place.  The ideal core still has mass.  The coil is transferring some of its stored energy and it's being converted into the kinetic energy of the moving core.  So just before the capacitor charging through the diode will take place, the current flowing in the coil will be _less_ than 5 amperes.  We know that a "motor action" will cause a voltage drop inside a coil.  In the case of this example, as the core accelerates towards the ideal coil, there will be an "internal counter-EMF" taking place inside the loop of the ideal coil that effectively reduces the current to lower than 5 amperes.   So the current in the coil will decease due to two factors, 1) the increased inductance, and 2) the internal counter-EMF from the motor action.

After the capacitor is charged up and the mass of the core continues past the now-dead ideal coil, the kinetic energy in the core plus the potential energy in the capacitor will still total to 37.5 joules.

Sounds reasonable?   ;D

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #707 on: May 04, 2014, 06:28:20 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #708 on: May 04, 2014, 07:15:43 PM »
So the current in the coil will decease due to two factors, 1) the increased inductance, and 2) the internal counter-EMF from the motor action.
Yes ℰ=-dΦ/dt but ΔiΔΦ.
If ΔidΦ/dt that would mean that the current in the coil depends on how quickly you'd allow the core to be attracted into the coil.

What if masses of two ferrites are different but their permeabilities are the same?
Different acceleration, different acceleration period and different dΦ/dt.
...but the same attraction force, the same flux change attempt, the same current change, the same inductance change.

What if the ferrite core collides with a plastic ball of equal mass sitting in the middle of the coil and transfers all of its kinetic energy to it.  Now the ferrite sits motionless inside the middle of the coil and the plastic ball is speeding away.  How does the system "know" that the ferrite was moving just a moment ago, and less energy is supposed to be transferred from a coil loaded with motionless ferrite to the recovery capacitor?

What if a ferrite is repeatedly inserted into a superconducting coil very slowly but withdrawn very quickly (by an external worker) - will the current in the superconductor increase with each cycle until the coil breaks down?

Isn't the decrease of current in the coil simply proportional the integral of the CEMF generated during the attempt to increase the total flux (e.g. the approach) ?
The Lenz law that is responsible for the CEMF doesn't care whether the attempted increase of the magnetic flux happens quickly or slowly (disregarding the dΦ/dt)... as long as the total flux through the coil remains constant before and after approach.

The decrease of current in the coil that follows the increased inductance can be explained in two ways:
1) Energy conservation.
2) Lenz Law's reaction to an attempt to increase the total flux through the coil by the hi-perm core.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2014, 02:04:28 AM by verpies »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #709 on: May 04, 2014, 07:47:54 PM »
Question to LUC


These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].


I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.


or has that been taken out of context??





thx
Chet

Hi Chet,

I don't know the answer to that question. So not knowing, why judge. Even if I knew! why judge?  All actions are accounted for. None can escape cause and effect.

I may use a different approach based on what I understand. Does that make me better then the QEG team?... only if I judge it to be.
Judgement is an action and in time cause and effect will come into play.

Each create and experience their own play based on their actions

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #709 on: May 04, 2014, 07:47:54 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #710 on: May 04, 2014, 08:38:10 PM »
fix (verb)

1. fasten (something) securely in a particular place or position.

2. decide or settle on (a specific price, date, course of action, etc.).

3. mend or repair.

4. make arrangements for (something); organize.

5. make (a dye, photographic image, or drawing) permanent.

6. (informal) influence the outcome of (something, especially a race, match, or election) by illegal or underhand means.

7. (informal) take an injection of a narcotic drug.

8. (NORTH AMERICAN) castrate or spay (an animal).

So... which definition of 'fix' do 'Fix the World' have in mind?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #711 on: May 04, 2014, 08:50:16 PM »
And another few things, while I'm at it...

 - 'Hope Moore' has to be a 'stage-name'. It's an instruction not a name.
 - 'Hope' is wearing a *tin-foil hat* in a pic on the home page! Red flag!
 - Illuminati pyramid - with all-seeing-eye on the home page. Flags don't get any redder than this!

They are telling us - very clearly, with symbolism - that this is a lucrative joke at the expense of the stupid.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #711 on: May 04, 2014, 08:50:16 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #712 on: May 04, 2014, 08:55:40 PM »
Right, and their corporate logo. Looks a bit like a nice flower, eh...

The petals of the flower are coins. The logo is all about money...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #713 on: May 04, 2014, 09:21:35 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #713 on: May 04, 2014, 09:21:35 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #714 on: May 04, 2014, 09:27:30 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #715 on: May 04, 2014, 11:28:25 PM »
Well, in order  for me to assess the relevance of the 'hat' pic, I would have to know the context...the 'flower' certainly could represent coinage, just add imagination and stir, but the same applies with the flower imagry.

Now that pyramid this is a bit of a problem.

But that doesn't mean that the concept does not have potential...it may only mean there's nothing in the back of this particular delivery truck. 

All this calls for a viewpoint adjustment...I have left the state of cautiously optimistic and am now in the neighboring state of suspiciously optimistic.

I remain waiting patiently.

Regards...



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #716 on: May 05, 2014, 12:13:50 AM »
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded. If the tone of this and other forums ever discourage others from experimentation and sharing their results, it will be a lose for all.
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I can only imagine the difficulty of fabricating and testing in the days of Tesla. We are so blessed to have such vast amount of information at our finger tips. Thank you Luc. Thank you Ariovoldo. For your replications and for sharing those with us. Thank you all that have shared your simulations and calculations. All of which is information that someday may be used to trigger an overunity device. I do not need a degree to understand and appreciate this. 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
« Reply #717 on: May 05, 2014, 12:41:25 AM »
Something like this?
That's sort of the general idea.  Analog multiplication has the advantage of being fundamentally synchronous.    The alternative is to sample two channels of A/D fast enough.  In order to make a practical instrument design, scaling for the current and voltage inputs would be needed along with protection components and such.  That particular multiplier you picked is very nice but does not seem to be available.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #718 on: May 05, 2014, 12:44:38 AM »
Do you folks not get it?  These people are charging real money ($300/hour) to tell you how to get THEIR unit to get O.U. even though they themselves can not do it.  Forget about good attempts or good intentions, this is now their intentions....to get money to tell you how to do something they can not do.  Where I come from, this is fraud.

Not too different from Magnacoaster selling you an overunity device for $5,000 and will only accept a return of the device if it is in "working" condition.  Forget that it did not work when it left his factory, and he can not make one work himself.

Wake up folks.  Once again, these folks give all of us really working on legit stuff a bad name.

Really?  500 watts in and 100 watts out?  I can build a circuit to do that in my sleep.  Hell, my toaster is more efficient than that.  "But they are trying to save the world."  Really?  You can save the world with a fraud?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #719 on: May 05, 2014, 12:54:31 AM »
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded...

"if... fails"?  The claim it to already have produced over unity.

Paramatric generators are not new.  If I start a campaign in 2014 to use a wire to communicate 2 computers using a clock, data lines would you say its not a waste of time for experimenters out of ignorance to see if such a task can be accomplished?  Both serial communication and paramatric generators are history and in use.  The claim it to already have produced over unity.

 

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