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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1481503 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #690 on: May 04, 2014, 08:18:55 AM »
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)

Do you feel better now?...  love and joy for your follows?


The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever...  but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.

I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.

Just sharing

Luc

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #691 on: May 04, 2014, 08:39:57 AM »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #692 on: May 04, 2014, 10:39:17 AM »
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.

Same dollar value AND wording of WITTs.  Hummm.   And I did see WITTs mentioned in the manual.  Obviously the same design style of core and rotor of WITTs.

Would it be off base for one to think that perhaps they are one in the same?  ;)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #692 on: May 04, 2014, 10:39:17 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #693 on: May 04, 2014, 10:43:07 AM »
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)

Do you feel better now?...  love and joy for your follows?


The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever...  but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.

I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.

Just sharing

Luc
I for one would not have a problem with these guys if they had not lied about what they had and used those lies to raise money.  I do not see any evidence that they have added to our knowledge of anything that is going to help with either energy or pollution.

I think that it is perfectly fine to have an unusual idea.  There are people who are willing to fund very high risk ideas.  Those investors be they deep pockets or someone giving to an Indiegogo campaign deserve to be told what the inventor has actually realized and what the inventor only hopes they can eventually do. 

I spend a lot of my time working on improving our energy and pollution situation.  Neither I nor anyone I work with pitch investors based on claims of results that we haven't realized.  There is so much good monetizeable work to do that there are plenty of investors around willing to fund legitimate efforts.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #694 on: May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 AM »
...
Finally, if the guy does have all of this motor control experience over 26 years, why is he fiddling with a bloody Flintstones variac with a dumb DC motor with no motor speed control at all?  Why doesn't he just spec in a COTS variable-speed servo motor controller + motor with the best bang for your buck to drive the QEG and keep it in resonance under varying loads?
...


MileHigh

Stole the words right out of my mouth.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #694 on: May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #695 on: May 04, 2014, 11:39:12 AM »

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.


Hi Luc
I fully agree with you, working together will be the way of change from a global 'virtual hobbyist' to a 'virtual prof'.
However we need both the 'critics' and the 'creatives' in a winning team. The purpose of a 'peer review' in regular science is just to have a critical reviewer which weeds out the errors made, before something is being published.
Creative minds tent to develop a tunnel vision while working on an interesting development and sometimes do not see that they are missing something. Discussions between the 'creatives' and 'critics' very often end in ego driven arguments. Sometimes someone gets banned from a discussion for being critical.

'critics' and 'creatives' are like yin and yang; north and south; plus and minus.....etc
Best regards,
Ben

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #696 on: May 04, 2014, 11:57:55 AM »
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html
It ain't over yet.

                                  to Ufopolitics #363



http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=kango+iida

from epo.org inventor Kango Iida :
PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To obtain a multipole conversion device and a conversion method by which the efficiency of more than 95% for converting a mechanical energy into an electrical energy can be realized in comparison with the efficiency of less then 50% with a conventional constitution, one apparatus can function both as a generator and a motor, a speed-up device is eliminated and the manufacturing cost can be reduced easily. SOLUTION: Magnets 23 are provided on both the sides of cores 21 on which coils 22 are wound so as to have the polarities of the magnets 23 same as the polarities N1-N2 and S1-S2. The respective cores of N1, N2, S1 and S2 are extended, N1, N2, S1 and S2 are used as one set and a multipole construction consisting of poles integer times of the one set is provided. A core 24 which has polarities corresponding to the polarities of the multipole construction and has no poles is provided inside or outside the multipole construction. A motor magnet wires are applied to the core 24 without poles to form coils 29 and commentators and brushes are attached to the coils 29 and a DC voltage is applied.


My question : ....... in comparision with the efficiency of less then 50% with a conventional constitution,......
Mister Iida scientifical standart,japanese science standart ? Mental error ?



http://www.geminielectricmotor.com/What%60s%20NEW.htm
With the cost of oil increasing the urgency to find an alternate source of reliable, sustainable electric energy has never been more important. With dire weather and global warming, green house effects, already  being felt in most parts of the world, a few inventors, and some  electrical engineers are asking was the original electric motor design  the right one ? After millions of dollars, and millions of man hours by electrical engineers, the basic design has changed very little. In the conventional electric motor only the outside magnetic poles are used, resulting in 50% of the magnetic flux created being wasted. The  Gemini Electric Motor effectively uses both inner and outer magnetic poles, resulting in 100% of the magnetic flux being used to create  torque or generate an electric current.


"... resulting in 50% of the magnetic flux created being waste.."


 Waste energy recuperation source No.1

         

          resonance : how many different kinds ?
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&IN=dinnan&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=meta+c

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #696 on: May 04, 2014, 11:57:55 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #697 on: May 04, 2014, 01:09:32 PM »
I am going to enter rarely visited waters...
The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:
L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 Henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)
Therefore when L = 1 Henry,  i = 8.66 amps.
Now let's complicate it slightly.
In your example above the cause of the inductance change was not given.  It was just abstractly assumed to happen somehow.
In the following exercise, I will attempt to give it a real cause.

Let's propose that the change in inductance is caused by an ideal ferrite core at rest being attracted into that ideal air coil from far away, in absence of gravity, so that its inductance changes from 1H (when the core is away) to 3H (when the core is inside the coil).  See the graph below for a realistic relationship between the core's distance and the inductance of the coil (taken from a real linear motor).
According to your calculations when the core is away the current flowing through the coil is 8.66A and when the core is inside the coil the current flowing in it is 5A. ...Fine.

Let's assume that the acceleration of the core into the coil from 10cm away takes 100ms and when the core reaches the middle of the coil its speed is 1m/s.
10µs before the core reaches the middle of the coil, a switch is opened and all of the energy stored in the coil (37.5J) is discharged into an ideal capacitor in 10µs.  Now all of the energy is in the capacitor and no current flows through the coil. At this point the capacitor is disconnected from the coil (so it cannot recharge the coil back) and the massive core continues on its path with constant velocity because now the coil is opened and has no current flowing in it, thus it cannot exert any force on the departing core.

But wait!  Now, we have all of our input energy recovered in a capacitor but the departing core has significant remaining kinetic energy  :o

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #698 on: May 04, 2014, 01:59:39 PM »
TK said:
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Of course, now that they are selling their time for 300 dollars an hour plus expenses as consultants to help _others_ get their units up and running.... when they can't get their own units "running"...  they are selling something they don't have (the knowledge to do what they claim to teach) therefore: conscious fraud.

Bob Dylan wrote:

"Do you take me for such a fool to think I'd make contact
 With the one who tries to hide what he don't know to begin with?"

Regarding their consulting, you could change "hide" to "sell"
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #698 on: May 04, 2014, 01:59:39 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
« Reply #699 on: May 04, 2014, 02:25:39 PM »
One of the things that I think could help is a basic power analyzer that is affordable and reasonably accurate:  Say +/-5%.  I think that is a doable project that could be done open source so that for less than $200. and perhaps as little as $100. people working with electrical machines could quickly assess actual input and output power precisely enough to know if they have something with real promise, or are just misleading themselves with poor power measurements.
Something like this?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #700 on: May 04, 2014, 02:53:58 PM »
Question to LUC


These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].


I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.


or has that been taken out of context??





thx
Chet




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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #700 on: May 04, 2014, 02:53:58 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #701 on: May 04, 2014, 05:17:27 PM »
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)

Do you feel better now?...  love and joy for your follows?


The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever...  but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.

I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.

Just sharing

Luc

Luc,

It's ironic if you state that you want to share and in the previous line you state that you will not debate.

The appraisal of what is transpiring with the QEG is negative based on the evidence as myself and others see it.  That is NOT bashing.  It's only looked upon as bashing if you don't want to confront the issues.  You are well aware how many free energy enthusiasts find it incredibly difficult to express something negative about someone's free energy proposition.  That's like being in a straight jacket.

Sometimes you have to decide between right and wrong and if you are going to speak up.  I once went to a health club in a building where there was an entrance on the first floor, a food court on the second floor, and the health club was on the fifth floor.  There was an elevator serving all the floors, and an escalator between the first floor and the second floor.  The food court was not getting enough business and they reprogrammed the elevator so when you went down, you could not stop on the first floor.  The elevator only stopped on the second floor to force you to pass by the food court.

I spoke to the girl behind the health club counter and told her to follow up with the building manager because the elevator might be a way out of the building if there was a fire on the second floor and other ways were blocked.  She refused.  During 9/11, the building manager in the second tower told everybody to remain at their desks after the first tower was hit.  In the recent Korean ferry disaster, the idiot on the PA system told everybody not to move while the ferry was listing and sinking.  You have to have the f*cking guts to say what is right sometimes, and DO what you believe is right, and not tow the "company line" if it doesn't make sense.  Some stupid asshole told people not to move on the ferry and now 236 people are dead.  Everyone in that chain of command should be sentenced to 25 years in prison.

So I don't believe that the QEG team is trying to make the world a better place and I refuse to put on rose-coloured glasses.  I don't believe that they are genuine.  I would never design and build something that does not work and claim that it works, period.  The QEG story has holes in it like a Swiss cheese and they have NO CREDIBLE DATA to prove what they are claiming.  The credible data so far is showing so far that they DO NO HAVE what they are claiming.

If you want to play with a new circuit, go ahead and play.  But that doesn't mean that myself and others can't express our honest opinions about the real QEG team and their proposition.  Money and even lives can be on the line sometimes.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #702 on: May 04, 2014, 05:25:42 PM »
" The QEG story has holes in it like a Swiss cheese "


*hint*  Look in the holes.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #703 on: May 04, 2014, 05:43:41 PM »
Captain Zero:

The problem is that your rebuttal stops after the "holes."  You have nothing to say past that point.

Read this and weep:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire

MileHigh

P.S.:  Quoting Captain Zero:

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I didn't mean for you to look in the hole in your head...silly goose.

Taken from Repartee for Dummies, second edition.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #704 on: May 04, 2014, 05:59:53 PM »
Question to LUC


These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].


I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.


or has that been taken out of context??





thx
Chet

Does James Robitaille have an actual engineering degree, or is he self-taught? Like "patent", the term "engineer" has a pretty specific legal meaning in many locations. If he were calling himself a "PE" or Professional Engineer, he would actually have to have a degree and some certification licensing. But he's not doing that, is he. And to say that HE is the "inventor" of the QEG apparatus is simply a lie.

And then there is the "consulting fee" web solicitation, where they are offering for sale that which they do not have: the knowledge to make a QEG self-running.

And running the DC motor off a Variac/FWB is just silly, as others have pointed out, since a PWM speed controller is a far more efficient way to control the speed of a DC motor.


By the way, there are "universal motors" that look like DC motors (brushes, magnets, armature, etc) but will run on either AC or DC. It is common for ... vacuum cleaners.... to use this type of universal motor.

 

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