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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1529336 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #675 on: May 04, 2014, 12:24:04 AM »
Well, here is a table of primary inductance versus primary current when the rotor is aligned with a pole.

Amps     Henries

0.0001   55.06277720336362   
0.2501   57.6387   
0.5001   34.93331877876074   
0.7501   25.50009391476067   
1.0001   20.3906   
1.2501   17.1876   
1.5001   15.0017   
1.7501   13.4158   
2.0001   12.21168917605118   
2.2501   11.26430599658938   
2.5001   10.4973   
2.7501    9.861351969119122   
3.0001    9.32271   
3.2501    8.857569903666759   
3.5001    8.448837591752412   
3.7501    8.084681690739767   
4.0001    7.757196680838231   
4.2501    7.46103   
4.5001    7.19207

This certainly promises to be a fun challenge for which to create an accurate model...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #676 on: May 04, 2014, 12:57:23 AM »
F_Brown,

Interesting data for sure.  You can look at Itsu's clips where he has an amazing four-channel oscilloscope and he has the ability to make a four-signal timing diagram with the push of a button.  However, even with a low-bandwidth two-channel oscilloscope, there is nothing preventing a replicator from making a true timing diagram including analysis and interpretation of the data, and the derivation of the relevant data that's required to truly understand what is going on.

Let's take the example of the "dead band" which corresponds to certain angular ranges of the turning rotor.  Okay, so you figure out a way to get a "tick" from the spinning rotor to establish a baseline that all the other signals follow.   So you lay out some graph paper on your desk and you mark out horizontal divisions that correspond to the angular displacement of the rotor.  That also corresponds to advancing through time, but that is secondary to tracking the rotor angle.

Then, you plot how the capacitor voltage varies on your graph paper with respect to the rotor angle.  So all of a sudden you know at what angles the capacitor bank is charging and discharging, and how fast that is taking place.  You "close your eyes" and plot the capacitor current also.  Then you can "close your eyes" and plot the instantaneous capacitor charging and discharging power.  These two plots are derived from the capacitor voltage variation and the capacitance value, it's all a no-brainer if you know what you are doing.

Then you can record the light bulb voltage waveform.  If you were smart you would switch the light bulb for a high-power resistor bank that is approximately the same resistance of the hot filament of the light bulb.  That's to get the annoyance of the variability of the resistance of the light bulb load out of the way.

Once you have the light bulb (or resistive load) voltage waveform plot with respect to the rotor angle you are almost done for the "dead band" power investigation.  You "close your eyes" and you then plot the light bulb (or resistive load) power consumption with respect to to rotor angle.

Now, this is not necessarily the complete power picture with respect to the "dead band."  I think it is, but hey, this is just the very first go at working out this investigation on the bench in live streaming consciousness mode.

Here is the key thing:  You do the work above and here is what you have during the "dead band:"  You have a plot of the capacitor bank power versus rotor angle and you compare that to the light bulb power versus rotor angle.

If you see a lot of capacitor power lined up with much less light bulb power then the preliminary conclusion is that during the "dead band" the capacitor power is being lost and is heating the primary coils due to the flux-cancellation in the primary coils.

In other words, the capacitor energy is not making it's way to the load (where you want it to go) and is instead being wasted resistively heating the primary coils.

I could stream out proposed test after test if I wanted.  I could analyze the QEG inside-out with a cheap scope and a few days worth of work on the bench.  That would solve the QEG mystery.  The challenge is for the real QEG replicators to do the same thing following their own path.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #677 on: May 04, 2014, 01:07:20 AM »
Miles,

This device is kind of interesting in that it modulates the coupling coefficient between the primary and secondary from max what ever that turns out to be to zero at the modulation frequency.  That's why in my SPICE sim I measured the power dissipated by a resistive load in the primary circuit.

Because the thing is so non-linear, I'm in the process of working up a full lookup table for primary inductance and rotor torque vs primary current and rotor position.  If I am successful in being able to use that to create an accurate SPICE model, all will be revealed, except why some may people spent so much money on something before the saw it actually work...

Hmm, I suppose I shoulc include the primary to secondary coupling coefficient in with that as well.

Here's with a few more data points:

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #677 on: May 04, 2014, 01:07:20 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #678 on: May 04, 2014, 01:23:11 AM »
F_Brown,

Good luck on the simulations.  I have to confess I ran some Spice simulations for one or two electronics courses, and I submitted my Spice programs in the form of a stack of punched cards wrapped in a big elastic band.  Yikes!

Will any group of replicators do an analysis of the their real QEG replications like I am alluding to?  I think that there is a chance if there are people in the replication groups that are engineers, people that are outside of the culture of the free energy forums.  In terms of the people on the free energy forums themselves, I don't hold out much hope.  The best you can expect would be decent measurements of power-in to the electric motor, and power-out to the light bulb load.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #679 on: May 04, 2014, 02:01:43 AM »
Fortran SPICE on punch cards.  Ha, I remember those things.  Text based SPICE was a freaking nightmare.  It has gotten a lot easier now that graphical SPICE apps have been developed, and numerical apps like matlab.  I'm hooked on them.  :|

It's just happens that I was contacted by a group that bought a core, and plans to do some good analysis with it.  So, chances are good that you might see some of those questions answered in the next few weeks.  :)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #679 on: May 04, 2014, 02:01:43 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #680 on: May 04, 2014, 02:04:41 AM »
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #681 on: May 04, 2014, 02:07:36 AM »
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.

Sounds like a job for Tom Bearden or Peter Lindermann...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #681 on: May 04, 2014, 02:07:36 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #682 on: May 04, 2014, 02:27:13 AM »
Wow!  The price of "fixing the world" at the grass-roots level is cheap when you consider the true value that you are getting.

If you want your consultant to bring along a heat gun, that's another $150 per hour.   :( :( :( :(

If you want your consultant to bring along a can of freeze spray, that's $250 per can, one can minimum.   :( :( :( :( :(   After that it's $25 per puff of freeze spray.  :( :( :( :( :( :(

Think of the people that live on $3 a day that need your help!  You can always crowd fund from them to get the services of the engineering artist formerly known as the technician.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
« Reply #683 on: May 04, 2014, 02:35:11 AM »
If you look at these 2 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U



You can see, that the lamps are not very bright and that its combined output might really be
only 120 Watts, if you compare their brightness to the other lights in the room.

And 500 Watt input into the drive motor is usual at these speeds and load.

So I trust the measurement Gerhard Rössler has done in Morroco.

The people cheering there behave like a religeous sect.
They act as if they see a selfrunning unit, which is not the case....

Do they do this to even get more donations and hide the truth ??

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
« Reply #683 on: May 04, 2014, 02:35:11 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
« Reply #684 on: May 04, 2014, 03:05:57 AM »
If you look at these 2 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U



You can see, that the lamps are not very bright and that its combined output might really be
only 120 Watts, if you compare their brightness to the other lights in the room.

And 500 Watt input into the drive motor is usual at these speeds and load.

So I trust the measurement Gerhard Rössler has done in Morroco.

The people cheering there behave like a religeous sect.
They act as if they see a selfrunning unit, which is not the case....

Do they do this to even get more donations and hide the truth ??

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan unfortunately there are a lot of unscrupulous people who cheer and pretend that they have something wonderful, or will, if only people will believe and give them money.  I could be wrong, but I think that JR is sincerely trying to make something work.  HM has assumed the role of carnival barker and funds solicitor.

Shortly before he decided to throw in the towel looking at free energy claims Mark Dansie was talking about working on a way for sincere experimenters to be able to measure or get their inventions measured properly at low cost.  I think that the idea is similar to how some people have been trying to help Sterling Allan find ways to measure his H-Cat properly on a tight budget. 

One of the things that I think could help is a basic power analyzer that is affordable and reasonably accurate:  Say +/-5%.  I think that is a doable project that could be done open source so that for less than $200. and perhaps as little as $100. people working with electrical machines could quickly assess actual input and output power precisely enough to know if they have something with real promise, or are just misleading themselves with poor power measurements.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #685 on: May 04, 2014, 05:12:59 AM »
Ariovaldo:

Greatly appreciate your efforts and the info that you've openly shared.  No matter the outcome of the QEG you provide many who are naturally curious and inquisitive an opportunity to learn more.  Thank you for posting your findings whether they are disappointing or not.  You're a true experimenter and do fine work.

In return for sharing your data you deserve constructive feedback that may help you to accurately analyze it and gather more.  In case it will help you I'm attaching some audio spectrum screens that I saved of your most recent video titled: Quantum Energy Generator - Ariovaldo Replication > http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc

I noticed that on this YouTube video post you listed the frequency as 195 Hz but listed it as 95 Hz on this thread.  Perhaps a typo on this thread, because if 195 Hz is the frequency on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of your video it matches up with the 193 Hz frequency in the attached audio spectrum file named QEG Ariovaldo 1.20MinMark 0.5K LoadOn Oscope.jpg.  I captured that audio spectrum screen as you were zoomed in on your oscilloscope so that this comparison could be made.  The other two attached files show a broader audio spectrum span to show the peak audio frequency at 1067 Hz and the higher order harmonics.

Let me know if there are any other specific audio spectrums of your videos that you would like to see.  It will be very interesting to find out more about the mechanical resonance frequency and the electrical resonance frequency of your QEG and how the changes you make will affect them.  Please confirm if the sinusoidal frequency displayed on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of this video is an output frequency of 195 Hz.  I understood that your total primary capacitance was 0.125uF, if possible it would also be good to confirm the following:

1. RPM of the QEG rotor during this video run?
2. Inductance of your primary and secondary coils and the wire size and length used?
3. Any deviations from the QEG User Manual and schematic other than DC motor pulley ratio and the end plate material?

Looking forward to the other tests you have planned, be safe first and foremost.

Muy bien hecho, saludos con mucha gratitude.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #685 on: May 04, 2014, 05:12:59 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #686 on: May 04, 2014, 05:26:42 AM »
Beautiful build, Ariovaldo!
Yes, I concur! And it sounds much better than the QEGers Morocco build. Smoooth.

But I'll bet he doesn't have 0.001 inch clearance between his rotor and stator!

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #687 on: May 04, 2014, 05:33:02 AM »
I am not surprised.  What might be a surprise is how much money will have been spent on this and where most of that money ends up.

Allegedly there are around 200 replicator teams out there that intend on doing a full-blown replication by purchasing the 'official' core which apparently costs about $3000 USD.  Some of them must be reading this thread.

For those replicators that are reading this thread, can you please post directly or indirectly what you current costs are?  If you can, please split that into the total parts cost in US dollars and labour costs.  For the labour costs, let's say that you estimate the number of man-hours and you 'charge yourself' $25 US dollars per hour.

Any replicators willing to share this basic data with us?  It would be very interesting and it will show others how much of a financial and time drain this has become.

Even if you did all of this willingly, I am sure that many of us would like to know how much this adventure has cost.

MileHigh
So I gather that most people (including me) believe that Robitaille himself is sincere but misguided. Personally I believe that he is religiously motivated, having had a revelatory dream or vision that told him this device would work and Save The World (tm HypeGirl). I also believe that the woman is a cynical, conscious con artist who is manipulating James and egging him onward on their round-the-world junket.

So what will be the reaction from James as he conducts more and more trials, works harder and harder, but always fails to make that thing run itself? I already detect a certain hang-dog look of depression, and that was in images from a week or more ago. I think James is headed for a big psychological fall.

Of course, now that they are selling their time for 300 dollars an hour plus expenses as consultants to help _others_ get their units up and running.... when they can't get their own units "running"...  they are selling something they don't have (the knowledge to do what they claim to teach) therefore: conscious fraud.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #688 on: May 04, 2014, 06:16:22 AM »
TK:

I am pretty sure that they haven't sold their consulting time to anyone.  The price of $300 an hour is just ridiculous.  That's the price of something like a retired Pentagon general with 40 years of experience. (Two-grand-plus a day???)

I am not sure of this but I don't get the vibe that James Robitaille is a real engineer.  They take an "escape clause" on the consulting web page and call him an "engineering artist" which is a title that nobody ever heard of before.  The vibe I get from him is that of an engineering support technician.  I forget but.... okay I looked it up:

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I am a career Electronics Engineer, who has been designing electronic controls for electric motors for 26+ years. I hold 9 patents and am knowledgeable in many different types of electric motor design. My father was a mechanical designer, so I have been immersed in the field of electro-mechanical motion from my youth. A large part of my work has been in designing rugged, efficient and manufacturable motors and electronic controls for consumer and industrial products. You may have seen some news out of the U.S. from Honda Motor Company about a new option available on the 2014 Odyssey Van - the world’s first built-in cabin vacuum cleaner system! I am the designer of the electronics and motor controls for this product.

Okay, let me quote some more and then comment in a new posting.

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James M Robitaille, Robert L Crevling Jr, Mark E Baer: Current regulating switch circuit. Shop Vac Corporation May 5, 1998: US05747973 (25 worldwide citation)

A regulating switch circuit for conditioning operation of a first load upon operation of a second load wherein the first load and the second load consume electrical energy from a power source includes a detecting means for detecting the operation of the second load and a sensing means for sensing an ...

Mark Baer, James M Robitaille: Ground fault interruptor circuit with electronic latch. Felchar Manufacturing Corporation January 5, 1993: US05177657 (24 worldwide citation)

A ground fault interruptor circuit interrupts the flow of current to a pair of lines extending between a source of power and a load. The ground fault interruptor circuit includes a circuit breaker comprising a normally open switch located in one or both of the lines, a relay circuit for selectively ...

James M Robitaille: Power outlet ground integrity and wriststrap monitor circuit. Ericson Manufacturing Company September 24, 1991: US05051732 (22 worldwide citation)

A plug-mounted wriststrap detector and ground monitor includes hot, neutral and ground input terminals which are connected to corresponding terminals of a power outlet when the circuit is plugged in. A jack is provided to plug a wriststrap into the circuit to provide electrostatic protection to the ...

James M Robitaille, Robert W Wilson: Electrical outlet monitor. Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company May 29, 1990: US04929887 (20 worldwide citation)

A monitor for detecting miswiring in standard 3-spade AC electrical outlets. The monitor includes a housing, prongs for insertion into the outlet to be tested, outlet ports for an external plug, and a banana jack for a wrist strap or other anti-static device. If the outlet is properly wired, a lamp ...

Edward M Haley, James M Robitaille, Robert L Crevling Jr, Mark E Baer: Intelligent switch control circuit. Shop Vac Corporation April 24, 2001: US06222285 (18 worldwide citation)

A sensing circuit is useful with a power outlet and a power tool having power supplied thereto via the power outlet. The sensing circuit includes a generator, a transmitter, and a detector. A first signal having a high frequency is developed by the generator and supplied to a first terminal of the p ...

Our buddy Sterling Allen says this:

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Career Electronics Engineer of 26+ years, James M. Robitaille of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, USA recently resigned his position to bring a Home Quantum Energy Generator technology forward.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #689 on: May 04, 2014, 07:02:59 AM »
You know when you work for a big enough company sometimes they get a little patent crazy.  It's a boasting feature and also boosts the perceived value of the company's IP if they are on the chopping block.  Companies may even patent their production line test jigs.

The first patent looks like a test jig for monitoring an appliance when you change the motor speed or something like that.  The second patent looks like a production test jig adaptation of a ground fault interrupter (GFI).  The third patent is some kind of wrist strap integrity detector coupled with a GFI.  That one is definitely for the production line.  The fourth patent is very similar, a production line tester to make sure they wired up the three-pronged plug correctly.  The last patent quoted looks something like a wireless monitor to check a hand-held power drill's start-up power-draw profile at the final functional test station to make sure it falls withing an acceptable range.  So if there is a bad bearing or something like that it will be rejected off the line because they sense the abnormal current draw when the fully assembled power drill is powered up for the first time.

Certainly all of the above requires a production test engineer.  However, there is a big but:

Back to the $300/hr consulting page:

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Do you need help with your QEG plans? FTW will be offering consulting services to assist with QEG and CICU start ups. James Robitaille, the QEG inventor will be available for technical consulting and Hope Girl will be available for business operations related consulting.

If the guy was really and truly an engineer, and he invented the QEG, then he would never in a million years have signed off on the QEG as working before this whole dog and pony show started.  It's just farking impossible.  No engineer would do this.  I was one and I still work with them and it's just freaking impossible.

With that being said, I can imagine that James was a senior production support technician that contributed his share to the patents, and it's hard to know if he actually developed any IP or if he just found the parts, and built and tested the prototypes, and so on.  The point being it's possible that he never was responsible for signing off on a design.

Don't forget that HopeGirl and James are married.  HopeGirl is always "on."  I envision James as a senior motor technician that's in on the fraud, or he could be an engineer that's in on the fraud.  But when he claims that he is an engineer, and there is a paper trail where they claim that it works, and they clearly have no proof that it works - that just does not jive if you are an engineer.

So I think that HopeGirl is always "on" and that means that she is acting.  However, she doesn't have to act too hard.  James, on the other hand, is acting and he is acting hard and doing a very good job of it.  He comes off as being totally legit as a "cool and good guy" but the kiss of death for that act is the claim he himself makes that it worked months ago.

I know that I am rambling.  Final verdict:  It doesn't add up.  They are both frauds.  HopeGirl has the easy acting job as the non-technical marketing girl, and James has the tough acting job as the cool, laid-back sincere engineer that has done something that no engineer with 20+ years of experience (or even one year of experience) would ever do:  Say something works and then make video clips where he fiddles with a low-tech variac like some hippy in his first Electronics 101 lab - with no proof that it works.

Finally, if the guy does have all of this motor control experience over 26 years, why is he fiddling with a bloody Flintstones variac with a dumb DC motor with no motor speed control at all?  Why doesn't he just spec in a COTS variable-speed servo motor controller + motor with the best bang for your buck to drive the QEG and keep it in resonance under varying loads?  The setup is low-tech just like Bedini almost certainly takes very low tech electronics and hides it all in potting compound!  WTF!!!!???

So TK, I guess we agree with each other!  lol

MileHigh

 

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