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### Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1879017 times)

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #645 on: May 02, 2014, 07:26:33 AM »
George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh

#### ACG

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #646 on: May 02, 2014, 07:34:13 AM »
According to all rigidly conventional minds in the electrical field this QEG will not work.

I am sure there are many sites populated by these 'conventional minds'...that is where they belong - not  here, on an 'out of the box' thinking forum.

Unless they are here to derail topical discussion, what purpose do they serve ?

Regards...

Will not work as claimed, 10x power out than in?  As it stands QEG has all the bells and whistles of a parametric generator.  PGs do work.  Illuminating light bulbs does not = more out than in.  A hand cracked generator can turn on a few bulbs but can you make it crank on its one without the hand.  You see that is the underlying question and has yet to be clearly demonstrated.

I hope you don't think those who question the QEG deny that it actually provides power.  I for one want to know which of the off the shelf parts or arrangement there of is responsible for the claimed excess power.

#### Cap-Z-ro

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #647 on: May 02, 2014, 07:41:30 AM »
I remain positively optomistic, with an open mind.

Mindful of the fact that free energy will come via out of the box thinking.

I am very suspicious of the motives of people who continually and incessantly disrupt the free flow of tropical discussion by interjecting conventional electrical dogma.

Regards...

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #648 on: May 02, 2014, 08:01:52 AM »
Before I go to bed I have a final thought for you Captain Zero,

Quoting you:

Quote
I am very suspicious of the motives of people who continually and incessantly disrupt the free flow of tropical discussion by interjecting conventional electrical dogma.

For starters, debating and discussing technical points is not disrupting.  But more importantly, every single circuit I have ever seen presented on forums like this one behave according to "conventional electric dogma."  Do you get that?  Just because someone says it's so for his 'magic' circuit doesn't necessarily mean it's so.  Look at all of the Akula devices, it's the same pattern yet again.  "Conventional electric dogma" is what is real, and that's what's been staring you in the face for years.

It's like you and your counterparts have a co-dependent symbiotic relationship going on and it's not healthy.  You have the hoaxers and/or the obsessive-compulsives putting button batteries into circuits and making YouTube clips on one side, and the chronic believers that just want and need to believe on the other side.  Then there is a third angle, the criminal element that sees this taking place and they want in on the action to monetize it.

You desperately need people to give you a dose of "dogma" because the busted obsessive-compulsives then need to regroup and come up with another clip.  On second thought, it almost sounds like we are in the loop also.

Stop pretending circuits are "unconventional" until they are properly vetted.  There are no unconventional circuits on the horizon and there may never be.

MileHigh

#### Cap-Z-ro

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #649 on: May 02, 2014, 08:16:01 AM »
I have stated numerous times (and this guy continually pretends he missed it) that all these redirects by closed minds, in a discussion among the open minded here serves only to discourage otheres from attempting a replication, where they may potentially stumble upon a break through, which also happens to be how most break throughs are discovered.

But that process isn't so likely to properly develop amid the constant negative interruptions.

But noooo, he is helping the dumb replicators here, to save their hard earned money...horray!

Regards...

#### rc3po

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #650 on: May 02, 2014, 11:40:25 AM »
@All,
I'm in no way an expert on these matters. I've been seriously learning electronics and computers for about 14 months now. I recently started learning about MC's. And I'm interested in Zero Point/Free Energy Devices and such.
But don't even try to show me dark/blurry pictures & videos of some device and expect me to take you seriously.lol
It's about the same as someone saying, "I've found Bigfoot!", and then showing me some blurry pictures!
It's the same with too many wires going all over the place, or things cluttering up the space that aren't germane to the subject. Component leads on their breadboard twisted up and looking like tree limbs in a horror flick. That tells me you're hiding something.
If you want intelligent people to take you seriously, then show some clean, well-lit, uncluttered, good quality pictures and videos or you will go on my "suspect", list.
This comment is meant to be on the subject in general and not directed at this thread in particular.

#### Hoppy

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #651 on: May 02, 2014, 12:05:36 PM »
@All,
I'm in no way an expert on these matters. I've been seriously learning electronics and computers for about 14 months now. I recently started learning about MC's. And I'm interested in Zero Point/Free Energy Devices and such.
But don't even try to show me dark/blurry pictures & videos of some device and expect me to take you seriously.lol
It's about the same as someone saying, "I've found Bigfoot!", and then showing me some blurry pictures!
It's the same with too many wires going all over the place, or things cluttering up the space that aren't germane to the subject. Component leads on their breadboard twisted up and looking like tree limbs in a horror flick. That tells me you're hiding something.
If you want intelligent people to take you seriously, then show some clean, well-lit, uncluttered, good quality pictures and videos or you will go on my "suspect", list.
This comment is meant to be on the subject in general and not directed at this thread in particular.

#### herm

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #652 on: May 02, 2014, 01:32:30 PM »
From PDF QEG v2_2, "James Robitaille stated that the exciter is not necessary for the basic operation of the QEG; therefore,
we omitted it from this analysis."  What defines basic operation?  Is this power produced on the output coil with COP < 1, or resonance regardless of any production of power?

Now if basic operation is to mean functions as a switched reluctance generator (SRG), then I would say yes the exciter is not needed other than to place a small initial remanence magnetism in the core.  Where does more out than in fit into this claim?  I wonder if experimenters will continue to reinvent the wheel by producing power from a device that long since has be patented and used.

I have no doubt the QEG would produce power as an SR generator, there is no mysticism about them.
Any one know what component of the released manual takes this particular generator a step further from a COP < 1 to a COP ~= 10?  The cap bank, the exciter, the 1.5 inch unit dimension of the construction?  Surely the QEG team or at least the inventor should know what the special component is and should just come out and say it and be done with the mysticism.

By basic operation, I mean producing output power and phase-locked resonance taking place but not necessarily COP >1.  My purpose in this endeavor is to discover all of the conventional operating principles of this device which will lead me to uncovering the unconventional aspects of its operation. To my knowledge, no one knows how COP >1 occurs in this device , if indeed it does.  In an SRG the switched reluctance usually gates a source of magnetic field, either electro-magnetic or permanent, to the generating coil.  This device does not have this characteristic.  I believe that there may not be a mysterious or mystical source of energy leading to overunity in this device and it may prove to be a result of reduction of back MMF.  The reality of this is yet to be proven.

#### pmgr

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #653 on: May 02, 2014, 05:03:24 PM »
Now I'm off to try to figure out how to get FEMM to verify that.

Did you use Lua scripting to get FEMM to generate that nice graphic?

@F_Brown

Been out for a few days. Kind of insane how quickly pages get added to this thread. Have some catching up to do...

Regarding your question, I use the Octave/Lua interface for FEMM, so the graph is automated (192points). In FEMM, just define a surface around the rotor with the borderline in the air gap and use the steady-state weighted stress sensor torque. Just make sure there is air on both sides of your defined integration surface for the weighted stress sensor method.

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#### steveyj

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #654 on: May 02, 2014, 05:48:00 PM »
Hi,

My name is Steven Jones, I'm an entrepreneur based of out the Dallas Fort Worth area.
I'm looking to put together a research and development team for the purposes of creating a hybrid QEGs.
All personal will be required to work in Dallas, TX for a minimum of 12 months maximum of 36 months.

The following positions are needed:

(2) Senior Electrical Engineers - 90K year
(4) Junior Engineers - 60k year

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All supplies and equipment will be provided or ordered if deemed necessary by senior personnel.
* Medical benefits are also included.

Thanks,

Steven

#### herm

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #655 on: May 02, 2014, 06:29:01 PM »
George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh

You are correct the E in the " energy transfer equation" does stand for emf or voltage and only indirectly indicates energy or
power (instantaneous voltage times current) capability. I am talking about the resonating primary inductance coils. As both
L and i are variables in time, taking the derivative of their product is covered by the chain rule which expands to the two terms
to the right of the equal sign. I contend that in this device the primary energy transfer from mechanical to electrical is by
parametric means and only incidentally thru normal induction, such as during starting. Since all magnetic fields are AC in this device, its components tend to loose any residual magnetism during operation.

#### F_Brown

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #656 on: May 02, 2014, 07:37:31 PM »
George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh

pmgr,

Yes, things took a biit of a wild turn here.  Thank you for help with FEMM.  I'm beginning to get the hang of it now.  I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve.  I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting.

Miles,

The Russian paper on parametric excitation I read used a mechanical system for the fundamental build up of the math.  In the mechanical system is was easier to intuit that physical parametric excitation of the system would require the input of energy.   In the electrical equivalent of that mechanical system this is less obvious.

To to complete the full picture of the QEG, it is required to add in an equation that provides the torque on shaft of the system operating in resonance as a function of angle.  I'm working on that.  I identified a number of mistakes in my previous torque analysis, the next should be much better.  It just takes a long time to manually iterating all the data.

Stay turned for more results...

#### pmgr

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #657 on: May 02, 2014, 09:31:02 PM »
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)

@herm

I am impressed with your theoretical analysis so far and the mini build! The inductance of the primaries indeed varies more like a triangle, see the attached graph. (@F_brown, no need to model your inductance as a triangle shape; a triangle can be modelled by a finite Fourier series of sinusoidals, so for the principal of proof this is not necessary; it will only make your calculations longer).

I believe I have a working time domain model for the QEG now and would like to help you speeding up your experimental work in figuring out theoretical design parameters that would optimize output power and minimize back MMF. The shape of your voltage and current traces look very similar to what my simulations show for the original design (another indication that things can be scaled). Some more detailed measurements from your end would be helpful in confirming my model as well and making a mini 1/4 scale simulation).

On a side note, this thread is getting quite jumbled with all kinds of stuff. It might be a good idea to start a separate QEG modeling thread to keep all the modeling/experiments in one place? @F_Brown, @herm, what do you guys think?

Do you have a direct email address (I sent you a PM on the forum here). Mine is pmgriphone@gmail.com.

PmgR
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#### isim

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #658 on: May 02, 2014, 10:31:06 PM »
Hi every  body!
@herm
http://muir.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/4834/02_whole.pdf?sequence=1

#### Acca

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##### Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #659 on: May 02, 2014, 10:31:23 PM »
What this thing ?? why is there no magnetic core in the center of the generator to generate power ??

link to the new post video of the QEG from Morocco..