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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1997756 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2475 on: August 28, 2014, 08:14:42 PM »
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P.S. I got the non inductive resistors from DIGIKEY and I was wondering some things.

1) Is it Ok to take measurements with my grounded scope if the device is "Isolated", as in running from a battery and not
connected to the ground ?

2) Is there still a chance of "ground loops" at these frequencies even with an isolated scope, due to displacement ?

What would be best practice with respect to isolation for taking scope measurements on this device considering the device
doesn't need to be ground connected ?

I'm also testing extra coils in series with the "Main Tanks" to increase the voltage for fluro's, I used 200 turns of 0.5 mm wire
on an "outer joiner" for 90mm PVC, no real need to tank that coil it works a treat, now I can get over 600 mA at 12.4 volts
input while lighting a 300 mm fluro tube form one side with the extra coil and the fluro is now brighter and looks like it could
get a bit brighter yet still. So I'm making progress on the potential required at this frequency to get the fluro "properly lit up",

Still have an issue, I can't easily produce reasonable video, new phone video is very dark under lights. My old Video camera
won't export to my laptop without a small firewire connection, I've got a USB to firewire but that doesn't work for the video
camera, looks like I need a new digital video camera that uses a micro SD/SD card. grrrr. The old ways are becoming a pain.

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Hi Farmhand.

1) Yes, it should be OK if the scope is earth grounded if using a battery, but if you are also using an earth
ground connection in your circuitry then you will still have to watch out for possible ground loops, depending
where you connect the scope probe ground connectors. Connecting earth ground at certain points in a circuit can also
alter the behavior of high voltage AC circuits as you no doubt are already aware, so that can potentially alter
measurement results as well.

2) Not sure, but connecting in a scope ground into a high voltage AC circuit even if you have the scope
isolated from ground can still act as a sort of ground to the circuit and potentially alter circuit behavior somewhat.
Depends on the exact circuit configuration and voltages and frequencies and connection point. Something to consider if you
are getting strange or unexpected measurement results.

If you isolate your scope from earth ground it might help in the case where you have an earth ground
also connected into the circuit being measured, but if you place the scope probe ground clip connectors
at the earth ground point when measuring you should still be OK. If you have more than one earth
ground connection in the circuit then you might have issues. The way you have been connecting
your scope probes when measuring across your load looked OK to me, based on the diagram you posted previously.
Always when making measurements we should be comparing results to what would seem to make
sense, and if we are getting measured results that don't seem to make sense then we need
to investigate and see if there could be something wrong with the way we are measuring, or something
else that we may be overlooking. 

All the best...
 :)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2476 on: August 28, 2014, 08:43:42 PM »

Some of you folks seem to be desperately looking for any little small thing to use in your religious crusade against
claims of potential overunity by evil heretics. Perhaps we should be preparing to burn them all at the stake?  ;D
Long live the religious crusade! Keep holding on with deep blind faith that all claims of overunity are impossible
and are therefore automatically heresy. Keep hurling the insults and accusations of fraud and scams,
even if you have no solid evidence of such fraud, as it is all OK because our blind faith tells us that all such
claims are absolutely impossible and could never be true. Therefore, based on our deep blind faith,
we are perfectly justified in attacking all those who consider things which are not supported by our faith.
These evil unclean heretics must be attacked and completely annihilated lest horrible heretical thoughts
of overunity and free energy be allowed to spread, and cause others to potentially question the views of
reality as held by us prophets of the one and only true reality.  ;) Burn them! Burn the heretics at the stake!
Glory to the only true reality! Death and destruction to all heretics!  We must not rest a moment until they are
completely wiped from our midst!  :o
Yadda yadda yadda....
Void your mind is quite obvious stuck in a void. There is a long history to all of this, you need to go back to and take a day or two to read this tread. I suggest starting at around page 65. Some of us here have impacted the public discussion about their claims. We brought to their attention the ignorant use of peak power upon which Jamie claims of OU were originally based. Upon being wholly embarrassed in Morocco, the QEGers adopted the nonsensical use of "RMS" power and very quickly jumped ship from sourcing power from the secondary, and instead lead a crowd funding effort based upon claims of OU reactive power in the primary circuit, which as any 1st year student knows is just the stored energy built up overtime in tank circuit from all that mechanically driven parametric activity. Jamie and the gang have exposed their ignorance of electrical engineering on numerous occasions over the past five or so months as this saga has unfolded. His latest endeavor is to use an antenna to harness power from the local broadcast radio or TV station, which is completely illegal by the way.


I think you might feel better if you signed up to be-do.com, where your appreciation will be much better received and where your explanations of electrical engineering terms might be less insulting to the general audience.  In fact I'm a member and I have a great time over there, although the one-a-day posting gets a bit boring, much like watching paint dry with all the activity and intellectual commentary and such.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 11:02:17 PM by PCB »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2477 on: August 28, 2014, 10:01:41 PM »
PCB, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. I am not the slightest bit interested in
the belief wars and holy crusades of the true believers here who are imagining that they
are on a Holy mission to save the world, and I mean all those who are on both sides of the belief wars. 
That was kind of the point of my comment.   ;)

People are making all sorts of bad measurements and/or making incorrect assumptions
in these forums and in youtube videos all the time. it is nothing new at all.
I am only interested in facts. Does something work as claimed, or at least partially as
claimed, or not? If many people seem incapable of understanding constructive suggestions on how
to improve their measurements, or on correcting incorrect assumptions they have, then
that's par for the course. Nothing new. It is the way of this world. Better to relax and
take what is useful, and ignore what is not... Life is too short.

All the best...
 :)


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2478 on: August 28, 2014, 10:59:16 PM »
PCB, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. I am not the slightest bit interested in
the belief wars and holy crusades of the true believers here who are imagining that they
are on a Holy mission to save the world, and I mean all those who are on both sides of the belief wars. 
That was kind of the point of my comment.   ;)

People are making all sorts of bad measurements and/or making incorrect assumptions
in these forums and in youtube videos all the time. it is nothing new at all.
I am only interested in facts. Does something work as claimed, or at least partially as
claimed, or not? If many people seem incapable of understanding constructive suggestions on how
to improve their measurements, or on correcting incorrect assumptions they have, then
that's par for the course. Nothing new. It is the way of this world. Better to relax and
take what is useful, and ignore what is not... Life is too short.

All the best...
 :)
Well if that's your position then the answer is simple. No the QEG does not work as claimed. Neither has any deadline ever been met. And yes fraud is a valid way to describe what is transpiring with the solicitations for six figures of mula. What measurements that have been taken demonstrate that in the efficiency numbers, sub 30%.  This circuit simulation was able to match also identically the waveforms displayed by Jamie etal.

www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgem...-generator?start=198[/font][/size]

You have joined us at a time when we are really just treading water. TK, being so bored with the level of activity, took matters into is own hands and created the miraculous solid state miniQEG, which is the only device with the name QEG attached that has been shown through very detailed measurement to be OU. We know in our hearts that is is'nt but TK and the rest of us do not know why.  Farmhand, being similarly inspired has done his own exploration, but requires much propping up as he has difficulty with vector math. These are all facts which can be explored in the varied and sometimes detailed pages of this thread. Happy reading.!

PS. Jamie may have been mistaken at the beginning when he first measured the power levels of his device as he undoubtedly used peak-to-peak values (8 time more power than was really present), but he has long since crossed over to the darkside to maintain funding for this charade.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2479 on: August 28, 2014, 11:29:56 PM »
The area under the curve product power.  HA, top that  :P

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2480 on: August 29, 2014, 01:28:46 AM »
PCB:

I am slowly recovering from the read.  Too much work for a full rebuttal, plus most of my my comments would be repeats if one was to read the full thread.  But seriously, if I was just to copy the text and then paste and put in bold everything that was offensive and/or just plain wrong, probably about 2/3 of the text would be highlighted.  It was like ingesting toxins!

But I can just go ooooommmmmmmm... and flip on the switch and dial in my "excitation" frequency; you might get harmonic resonance ectoplasm.  (They can use it for tacking down the magnet wire when they make coils.)

Farmhand:

A battery-scope lead directly across a CSR anywhere in the circuit would be fine and there are no displacement currents to worry about.  The real term is just "stray capacitance."  Then you do a simple thought experiment: How much stray capacitance is there between my multimeter leads and the rest of the circuit?  Well, that's a giant air capacitor with tiny tiny plates.  If you know the formula for the capacitance between two metal plates you see that keeping the distance between the plates is the key to getting high capacitance.  When the distance is 12 inches and the "plates" are thin wires, the brain does a pseudo crunch and you say to yourself "it must be pico pico pico farads or something like that."  So you can ignore it.  Then the brain takes a different tack.   You know that capacitance between two wires that are far apart is minuscule.  Therefore the only way for that to have any affect would be for the frequencies to be insanely high, way higher than the frequencies that you are operating at.

When you start working with your scope, you notice that high frequencies can have small affects on the scope waveform when the probe is close but not touching.  You notice when the probe is more than two inches away the high frequency on your display disappears.  You start develop a sixth sense about stray capacitance and the frquency content and amplitude of your waveform.  Just like you become aware that large currents in wires will produce magnetic fields that may cause unwanted couplings.  Likewise, you are aware when you have high current in a pair of wires going in opposite directions (like a power cord) that the two fields are canceling each other out.

That leads to an interesting observation:  If you look at the signal layers of a multi-layer PCB, you will notice that the traces in adjacent layers are often at right angles to each other.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2481 on: August 29, 2014, 01:58:38 AM »
@MH

Sorry to put you into toxic shock, but if you go back a page you will see the links I posted from HG on be-do that got me going on this frenetic series of postings.  Remember its mostly  tongue in cheek... not to be taken too seriously...  sipping a small brandy, calmed down abit now, wife talking about mating slugs and them eating slim..  Incidentally, are you saying it's not illegal to hive power off your local broadcaster, and exactly which bits were incorrect?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2482 on: August 29, 2014, 02:05:36 AM »
The area under the curve product power.  HA, top that  :P
That is certainly much longer but not I think quite as catchy as Quadratic Power, you would agree I'm sure?

Incidentally, I have made a good many posts today so why am I stuck at 134. I think that malfeasance might be a foot. Somebody does not want me to reach "hero" status. Actually it appears that every bodies posting counter is stuck. What's going on here? I only do this for the score...

15 min later: OK this is plan wrong, I and everybody else have had their counters frozen for many days, who do I complain to about this?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2483 on: August 29, 2014, 06:20:00 PM »
Blind faith against and the automatic dismissal of evidence, measurements, reproduction is also important to the crusade.  WE spit on predictable repeatable accurate results.  WE have no place for such evil science and that blasphemy vial virus of manipulation called engineering.  Hummmmmm

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2484 on: August 30, 2014, 02:49:00 AM »

Incidentally, I have made a good many posts today so why am I stuck at 134. I think that malfeasance might be a foot. Somebody does not want me to reach "hero" status. Actually it appears that every bodies posting counter is stuck. What's going on here? I only do this for the score...

15 min later: OK this is plan wrong, I and everybody else have had their counters frozen for many days, who do I complain to about this?

It appears that you are still at 134.  Perhaps you are not really posting?  Maybe you just think you are posting, or you intended to post but forgot to do so?  Possibly all of us have not really posted anything in the past few days?  I know that we think that we have but obviously, we have not.  Maybe we just need to focus our energies better when posting and then, we will have really posted?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2485 on: August 30, 2014, 03:16:57 AM »
OK Bill...put the bottle down and call it an evening.

*tucks Bill in*



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2486 on: August 30, 2014, 03:21:10 AM »
OK Bill...put the bottle down and call it an evening.

*tucks Bill in*

Hell Cap, I just got home from work.  Of course, I may not have really posted this.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2487 on: August 30, 2014, 03:24:48 AM »
* applies cold compress to suppress Bill's bad dream*


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2488 on: August 30, 2014, 07:01:21 AM »
Well if that's your position then the answer is simple. No the QEG does not work as claimed. Neither has any deadline ever been met. And yes fraud is a valid way to describe what is transpiring with the solicitations for six figures of mula. What measurements that have been taken demonstrate that in the efficiency numbers, sub 30%.  This circuit simulation was able to match also identically the waveforms displayed by Jamie etal.

www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgem...-generator?start=198[/font][/size]

You have joined us at a time when we are really just treading water. TK, being so bored with the level of activity, took matters into is own hands and created the miraculous solid state miniQEG, which is the only device with the name QEG attached that has been shown through very detailed measurement to be OU. We know in our hearts that is is'nt but TK and the rest of us do not know why.  Farmhand, being similarly inspired has done his own exploration, but requires much propping up as he has difficulty with vector math. These are all facts which can be explored in the varied and sometimes detailed pages of this thread. Happy reading.!

PS. Jamie may have been mistaken at the beginning when he first measured the power levels of his device as he undoubtedly used peak-to-peak values (8 time more power than was really present), but he has long since crossed over to the darkside to maintain funding for this charade.

I didn't see anyone post any proof of any OU. The reality of the situation is that no matter how much Volts and Amps we see
in a tank and regardless of the indicated phase and the input power the actual output is not possible to be OU. It's just stored
"activity" in the tank and the output can only be a portion of that and that is all "from the supply".

I thought TK showed that the phase in his primary tank was at 90 degrees and so that would mean no real power or energy
could leave the tank or enter it. Truth is that the phase must be not quite 90 degrees in order for the tank to accept input.
The phase can never in practice stay at 90 degree exactly.

What I think should be shown is the phase variations when a tiny load is on the tank as well as when a larger load is on it.
Now if the V and A in the tank was to remain at 90 degrees no output could be got from it.

TK showed measurements on a "primary tank", whereas I am more or less ignoring the primary and measuring the induced
V and A in a secondary tank as well as the output tank which is induced by the main tank. And load powers.

Without measuring the output how can we know what it is ?

Without measuring the output we have no way of knowing any efficiency ratings.

I seen no in-out measurements indicating OU on this thread. Or any other for that matter.

I don't just have difficulty with vector maths I have never learned it never been taught it and only pick up what I can
which is difficult without any background in advanced maths.

The reality is that I don't need to know it to be able to produce the effects, I would only need the maths to try to make sense of
the measurements, the circuit continues to do what it does regardless of measurements.

Knowing how much energy it should take to get a light to a certain brightness allows us to know by just looking if something is
very efficient or very inefficient, it's the values close to 100 % that require close and careful measurement and only then if we
want to know exactly the efficiency.

So we have not seen any input to output measurements before during and after a load is taken from a resonant tank type
arrangement. That would show exactly how the phase and tank activity changes with the loads.

And as I've noticed if a low enough resistive load is placed on a resonating tank then the low resistance loading will destroy the
"Quality" factor of the tank and also destroy the resonant rise on the tank. In other words not enough energy can be input to
overcome the load and pump up the tank. Don't need vector maths to see that happen.

My main point has been that the resonant tank activity is a considerable load in itself, and that to produce and maintain that activity is a constant "cost" which most experimenters ignore. Also that just measuring the input and output to a device is
not a true indication of what it costs to be able to run it if it is connected to the paid for grid.

If one has a solar array feeding the grid and net energy exported is more than energy consumed then the grid input to a small
DC supply can be ignored and considered as a battery with a blocking diode. Same thing if we have a battery charged by the
sun, the input is already free and so measuring the efficiency of the device alone is a valid indicator of the true cost.

If there is input to output measurements I missed them.  :) I'm not slacking off by the way, I've just been quite ill again.
Almost in recovery and hope to be able to show soon the tank measurements using non inductive CSR's while under no
output loading and while under light and heavy output loading.

Fact is "right or wrong" that many readers don't believe what the educated guys say and not many educated folks show
experiments. TK being one obvious exception to that of course. What TK wants to show and what others want to see
to convince them of no OU from a resonant tank or reactive "power" might be different, maybe people want to see how
the tank activity and phase relationship between voltage and current changes with different loads and see it happen in
real time with real loads.

I've managed to increase the input to about 6 Watts while powering a fluro and increase it brightness as well, more input
means more accurate measurements. As well as that I can now show a "tank" with an extra coil in series with the tank
and the load so that coil is not "tanked" or part of the tank, I can show the voltage distribution on that coil and the tank
coil with a neon. The extra coil has a lot more inductance and resistance but not more self capacitance.

Fact is that people trained in electrical engineering and such have no more authority over the experimenters here, than a
tradesman boilermaker has over people building a steel framed go-cart in their back yard. I don't get the god given right to
make fun of people or belittle people trying to do metal fabricating in their backyard, if they were making dangerous repairs
to a vehicle that travels on public roads then that is different. With electronics the grid is that line not to cross, if we mess
with it we should do things properly and listen to advice from people educated in that discipline.

Most experimenters are only manipulating power to get odd measurements from conventional measuring equipment. Not many
are actively looking to harness energy from the environment for cheap of free.

The numbers next to the posts make no difference to me, they only indicate how often a person posts based on when the registered, and only for that account anyway, I'm sure many of the "cheer leading gate keepers" have multiple accounts.

A misconception that manipulating power will show OU has been introduced by the reactive power OU claimants and the people
claiming Tesla's power magnification methods are OU for him don't help either.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2489 on: August 30, 2014, 07:49:51 AM »
The tank holds two forms of energy that slosh back and forth.  You can imagine that as a rotating phasor with voltage on one axis and current on the other axis.  The tip of the phasor, the rotating arrow, shows you the instantaneous voltage and current, like you see with a Lissajous figure on your scope.

There are two ways to extract energy from the tank.  When the capacitor is at the peak voltage, a load resistor across the capacitor will extract energy.  When the coil is at maximum current, a load resistor in series with the coil will extract energy.  It's just like the child on the spring-horse in a playground.  When the child is vertical, he or she is at maximum velocity, maximum kinetic energy.  So if the child is stopped quickly by a parent's hands, that's the energy discharge.  Likewise, when the child is at the bottom of the swing, all of the energy is stored in the bent spring as potential energy.  That bent spring could also be discharged by having it do some form of mechanical work.

So the QEG tank circuit is like a chlld swinging on a spring-horse in a playground.  Like Farmhand said, the energy is always seeping out of the system, and therefore to keep the same amplitude, power has to be supplied and it seeps into the tank circuit.

The QEG tank circuit is like any other LC tank circuit.  For example, tank circuits have been used in tube radios since the 1920s.  Nothing special is going on, may as well move along.

One would hope that more and more Qweegeeers that are doing the builds and working on the technical side of things would do their own research about this and figure it out for themselves.  It's really not rocket science.

The heart-breaker for the enthusiasts is that there is just no magic here.  It's all just a wild goose chase.  You are networked together and some of you might be disheartened and also feel used.  You never know what a small critical group of people that think alike can do under these circumstances.  Like, go see a lawyer.