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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 2010850 times)

TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1935 on: July 18, 2014, 11:49:52 PM »
Very interesting. These guys use I assume high voltage and high current and pure water, and get a highly kinetic reaction. Mills on the other hand uses very high current, low voltage, and a hydrate catalyst and gets very high frequency light (little or no IR) and almost zero kinetics.  It would indeed be interesting to get Mills's take on what difference there might be in the two reactions to current. Mills also uses a microscopic amount of water, he says just the water vapor in the air is enough to power his reaction.

I did find this: http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/  TK you have all the components on hand to build this guys setup for sure! Just a thought, I wonder what would happen if you used a piston chamber with spark plug? Would be able to measure more accurately the energy produced by the explosion.

I have done literally thousands of high-energy water arc explosion "shots" as they are called, working directly with Peter Graneau himself, over a period of several years in the early 2000s. Unfortunately there is no "there" there. The Graneau claims are a classic case of pseudoscientific misconduct. The link you posted illustrates exactly why: it uses the same Conservation of Momentum argument that Graneau put forth and stuck to for years, in spite of all experimental evidence to the contrary. According to him, if your experimental apparatus does not produce the results predicted by the CofM argument and calculations, then your experiment is wrong. However, the truth is the other way around. When a proper analysis of the situation in the arc chamber is performed the "ou" goes away and the proper model predicts experimental results very accurately.

This is one topic that I know a whole lot about.  I constructed many different apparatuses, from underwater rocket-propelled boat-like things, to various secondary projectile apparatuses, to piston things, Pelton Wheel and other turbine designs including Tesla turbines, etc. Everything anybody could think of to try to extract the excess momentum that PG was sure was there. But it really isn't. The PG thesis is actually subtly circular and depends on a key assumption that turns out not to be true.

But if that weren't enough... there is of course a "legend" that has been built up, just as with the QEG. Anyone looking into Graneau will come across the claim that at MIT a fast fog jet punched a hole in a 1/4 inch thick aluminum plate. And the impression is allowed to form that the plate was suspended above an arc chamber as depicted in the photo in the link above, and a jet shot up, hit the suspended plate and punched through it. But that is not what happened at all. The shot was what we called a "contact shot". The chamber was completely full of water, the aluminum plate was rigidly in contact, sealing off the arc chamber, and a clamped or weighted  _punch die_ was on the upper surface of the plate. What happened was a shock-wave metal forming incident, a process that is in widespread commercial use to form metals.

Also you will encounter the Richard Hull claims of supersonic fog jets, based on a single photograph that shows a triangular pointed plume. The velocity of the jet was never actually measured-- by Hull. However the group I worked with did extensive measurements of the "fog" plumes and never saw anything truly supersonic, even at huge energies (a 3 uF cap bank charged to 20 kV and discharged through the best, super-low-impedance triggered spark gap arrangement I have ever encountered). And much of this work was performed in the actual physical presence of Peter Graneau as consultant/principal investigator.

What finally got my complete goat was his habit of realtime data selection. If a shot did not produce the measurements he liked, he would wave his hands and declare that shot to be "failed" or invalid and it would not go into his data set. Only shots that produced results he liked, were considered "keepers".

Oh, I could go on and on. PG was a Panzer battalion commander during WWII and later went to MIT, worked there as a respected physicist and finally attained Professor Emeritus status there, with lab privileges, and his son Neal went on to Oxford with a PhD and worked in a lab there for a while. But having an overbearing personality and impressive academic credentials does not make one's whacky reverse-thermodynamics theory right.

TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1936 on: July 19, 2014, 12:09:01 AM »
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First, it is NOT YET A SELF-RUNNING device because Mr. Li does not want to provoke too much unfriendly attention either from stubborn trolls or Taipower Company. Mr. Li also said that self-running can be achieved easily once everything is safe and sound.

That is so hilarious. Do these people all work from the exact same script? This is THE SAME THING that Kohei Minato told me in 1999 when he brought his magic PMMs and other Minato Motors to San Francisco to be evaluated by Joe Firmage's ISSO group. Except it was the Japanese power company, and God, that he didn't want to provoke.

Of course Mr. Li's device will also never honestly run itself. But since it uses a big flywheel, it will _appear_ to run itself for a little while, just as Minato's big motor did.

It is very instructive to compute the energy stored in a 100 kg brass flywheel 50 cm or 1m in diameter. How much energy must be taken from that flywheel, coasting along, to reduce its speed from 2500 RPM to 2498 RPM? Will your common handheld optical tachometer detect a tiny change in RPM over a few minutes? Will you even _look_ at the flywheel speed and rotational MoI when performing your energy balance calculations, Mister Li?

TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1937 on: July 19, 2014, 12:15:23 AM »
A few questions:
Now word from Taiwan has surfaced.  Why now and none before? 
Is this admittance Taiwan dropped the qeg project?
Will the Taiwan group under Mr. Li change their group name to something more appropriate of the device since its admitted not to involve quantum?
This device as described has been dubbed by PES Network (peswiki.com) as a QMoGen without the Q (self looping).  What separates this MoGen from all the other claims?
Are there any publishing data, videos, reports, blogs, other than this 3rd party "Patrick" post in this forum?  Can we be informed directly from Mr. Li?

Inarguably, self-running is the prime directive for a qmogen.  I do not understand how if self-running can be easily achieved but at the same time Mr. Li gives self-running a back seat to avoid criticism of "stubborn trolls".  Volitional preclusion a desired result to avoid suppression is a case of self fulfilling prophecy.  Why not ignore the critics while building the device as intended.  Better yet, why inform anyone at all and simply use the device for your enjoyment.  That way any suppressors would not get wind of the device.  Come to think of it, you BeDoCuckoo and Patrick are taking a big risk with this notification posted here.

Of course the device does not work as claimed. How can anyone still put credence in the claim "It will self run but I'm not going to do it because I'm afraid of Big Oil"? Surely Big Oil already knows about your claim and would have already suppressed it IF IT WERE TRUE. The very fact that you are out talking about conspiracies suppressing you means two things: there are no such conspiracies, and you need a big excuse for your failure to self-run.

Hey, I've got devices that, just like Mr. Li's, will self run. Unfortunately... just like Mr. Li's, they stop running in a few time units. But that's just an engineering problem. Isn't it Mister Li.




TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1938 on: July 19, 2014, 12:25:27 AM »
Pennsylvania


Its a big state....where in PA is this fundraiser to be held ?
We would Love to help Verify her claims .


thx
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Blog posts call him "of Harrisburg" but I find some listings in Williamsport on Hepburn ST and Dewey Ave, and also in Jersey Shore on Bear Run Rd.
I have no idea if any of these listings are for our Jamie, though.

I'd like to see someone reliable there too. The claim of "running" QEG... no QEG has ever "run". They have all, always, been driven by a big honking drive motor connected to the mains or a big bank of batteries. The QEG has never run. Not in self-powered mode or any other mode. It is a _motor driven_ variable reluctance generator. Driven, not run.
Anyone who refers to a QEG "running" when they are actually driving it with a motor is engaging in subtle neurolinguistic programming designed to give a false impression of validity when none exists.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1939 on: July 19, 2014, 12:35:30 AM »
I still wince when I think of that Florida guy and his two clips.  I bet you he never posted any follow-up videos even though several people made requests for more tests and data.  I wince because to be brutally honest the guy was clearly clueless around a scope and around circuits.  Yet Naima Feagin says that hey are part a team of amazing engineering experts or something to that effect.

Oh!  What a wonderful global team of experts!  Self running real soon now!

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1940 on: July 19, 2014, 12:45:30 AM »
TK
Thanks


some things would stop real quick when a 200K load is applied !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z1S_1GlxA [From OUR user Matt   Via "Russ"]


Thx
Chet
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MH
Not answering questions about or for Bill,you should not assume so much .
 

TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1941 on: July 19, 2014, 02:19:28 AM »
Oh ho ho.... look at this. Be sure to read the Description. Why Morocco of all places, for the QEG? Here is an answer... and much much more.

There is mention of a Home foreclosure, a crowd-funded trip around the USA in a water-powered bus .... sound familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1942 on: July 19, 2014, 05:25:46 PM »
TK:

That clip shows how grotesque the behaviour of some people can be.  It's simply disgusting.  I note that they draw a parallel at the end of the clip with Naima Faegin and her little enterprise.  It's just too bad that some people can't see through the charade.

Ten days to go and I bet you that all is not well in the barn.  Naima Faegin and James Robitaille, what are they doing?  Is James in the barn feverishly trying different combinations of capacitors and light bulbs in a frenzied desperate attempt to make it work?  Is Naima looking over his shoulders egging him on with urgency as the clock ticks down?  Or are they both doing nothing because they couldn't care less about the hunk of metal and wire in the barn?  Instead are they sitting around the kitchen table working on the end-of-month script and trying out different storylines and trying to find the one that makes the best fit - move the goalposts and figure out a creative new way to beg for more money?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1943 on: July 19, 2014, 07:00:29 PM »


Maybe with a final gong banging, they will attempt to hoodwink their remaining naive punters into believing that an even bigger core is needed to achieve efficient self-running loop back. This should raise shed more cash and give them time to slowly disappearing underground.  ;D

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1944 on: July 19, 2014, 10:48:29 PM »
I can just imagine the possible dialogue in court.  ;D

Judge- So James, before asking for donations for the self running generator project how long did you run the device in testing ?

James R - 150 Hours your Honor.

Judge- So that's 150 hours of self running ?

James r- Ummm no that was 150 hours showing OU in VARS.

Judge- So you lied !

James R- Eeerrrr no, it was showing oU in VARS.

Judge- That was a statement not a question. You lied !

James R- But Judge, it was showing OU.

Judge- You lied ! Period ! It did not self run for 150 Hours prior to asking for donations for a self running generator project.

James- But but  but but....

Judge- Please be quiet James while I make the ruling.

If he front's a Judge he's toast.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1945 on: July 19, 2014, 11:17:11 PM »
@TinselKoala,

How do you even put up with comments like this at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y

First, its begins with assumptions.  Second the rest is psycho babel jibber jabber having 0 focus on qeg, claims, or anything you said or on anything anyone said in the thread.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1946 on: July 20, 2014, 04:04:39 AM »
ACG: You are just one post away from becoming a "Full Member"!

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1947 on: July 20, 2014, 06:22:46 AM »
@TinselKoala,

How do you even put up with comments like this at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y

First, its begins with assumptions.  Second the rest is psycho babel jibber jabber having 0 focus on qeg, claims, or anything you said or on anything anyone said in the thread.
Anyone is free to refute me with facts, checkable outside references and/or demonstrations of their own. People who just want to babble like that will be allowed to do so, just so everyone can see that they are ignoring the truth, failing to provide facts of their own, and are lapping up the pablum dished out by HypeGirl/Robitalle/QEGgers. I'll leave their comments up until such posters start becoming personally insulting, which they eventually always do. Then I'll ban them from the channel.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1949 on: July 20, 2014, 05:14:02 PM »
Months and months into this mess and the chief bench technician still does not report his power input and output measurements.

Note also that the original "working" QEG has now been taken apart.  That's right out of the free energy scammer's cookbook.