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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 2011516 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1845 on: July 10, 2014, 07:17:54 AM »
I watched the two clips and my Spidey senses are tingling.

There is another test that I never mentioned because it is "too obvious" so I filtered it out in my head as not worth mentioning:

Measure what happens in the primary tank circuit as you vary the power dissipation in the load connected to the secondary.

Attach load A of 10 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.
Attach load B of 20 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.
Attach load C of 50 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.

For some experimenters it will be a challenge to determine the resistance of the load to draw 10 watts.  A bit of experimenting and you should be able to figure that out.

What happens as you increase the output power in regular steps?  Get to know your QEG.

If some builders did this it would be a giant leap forward in free energy research and open up new avenues of discovery that have never been seen before.  Synergistic modalities.

BeliefBoy
Absolutely right, could suggestion. I posted early on be-do that post the more waveforms, as has vgrey.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1846 on: July 10, 2014, 07:32:21 AM »
I don't recall seeing them using the coil and spark gap.
But as far as the unit in PA goes... as I have shown, in the interview with Sterling on PESN he tells the truth (sort of) about the PA Prototype.
1. It was never "run" for 150 hours. It was _driven_ for perhaps 1.5 hours, many times, in the "resonance mode", and James estimates a total of about 150 hours being driven in that mode.
2. The _peak_ power measured by clampon meters, DMMs and the oscilloscope was a bit over 9 kW and the _average_ was "probably" between 4 and 5 kW. Although he did not say so specifically I think we know that he is referring once again to peak-to-peak readings multiplied together and not the true "average power" which is Vrms x Irms -- just as they have done with all subsequent "OU in VARs" claims.
3. No... James specifically says the unit never actually ran itself.  He complains about building it in his barn, not having the necessary inverter, etc etc but after all the hemming and hawing is done the fact remains: they "released" this device to the "public" based on the "resonance" and misinterpretation of their measurements and the device _never_ in fact produced any OU or ran itself.

So in order to show everyone that the PA prototype does what _he_ claimed, all he need do is show the Resonance and some bulbs lighting up, and some squiggly colored lines on the scope. He really never claimed anything more than that.

When HypeGirl said the thing "works" and had "run for 150 hours" she was deliberately trying to give the impression that she meant "self running while producing extra power output" which is the usual meaning of "working" and "running" in our community. Isn't it? However this was clearly not the case and James himself told us so in the interview. Nothing that has transpired since has trumped that set of statements from JR. And the problems that caused them to be unable to make the PA Prototype "work" remain: the thing has never made any OU and never will, so all efforts trying to make it self-run are futile.

TK,

I realize Jamie never said he had accomplished a self-runner, but did he not say in the PESN interview that he had connected loads to the output (a heater or the like) that supposedly drew more than the input to the motor?  I'll try to find the time to listen to it again more closely.

If all the claims are in error because of his misuse of pk to pk vs. rms values, then he should just own up to that.

PW

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1847 on: July 10, 2014, 07:37:01 AM »
The Florida QEG folks just posted these two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY

From: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits

It interesting, he passes the output from the primary through a transformer, which is akin the secondary is doing of coarse, to convert VARs to Watts. He references this paper:

http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf

Bolt: You might find the above interesting. I have several large 3 phase motors, around 20 HP. I also have one as a generator set (25 HP 3ph motor that drives a 15 KW gen that outputs at 120 Hz). What can I do with these? Would you consider posting a pdf of your circuit and setup info.

Thanks for posting these video clips, it is appreciated. Now when I watched the two video's my first thought was what was the difference in the input power between the two runs and what was the output on both runs if any.

These video's show nothing to prove anything.

Then I listened  ;), and the sound is different in the two clips, the second clip sounded like the prime mover was more loaded,
I'ma gunna say that the input was likely more during the second clip. And at no stage was the output more than the input and
that no matter how they convert VAR's to VA the result will be that they will convert accumulated oscillating power originally from
the supply into real power in a load but the total energy in compared to total energy out over a period of ie. 1 hour
will be unity, and when losses are factored in the arrangement will show well under unity.

If it was as easy as they make out then people would be doing it already for years.

No cheesburgers for the QEG'ers that is for certain. Ikea meatballs for them.  ;D

haha, How many horses have they flogged to death now ? Are they planning to wail on another one, or is that it all done but for
the payed consultations. with the Con-non-engineering Artist.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1848 on: July 10, 2014, 08:00:21 AM »
In the image below you see a system that has a high degree of reactive power circulating in the resonant "primary" on the left. It is much greater than the input power drawn as DC from the battery. This reactive power is "transformed" by the air-core transformer whose secondary is now powering a real resistive lightbulb load, on the right. This system is doing exactly the same thing electronically that the QEG device is doing electromechanically, and it's doing it a lot more quietly and a lot cheaper.

I can haz cheezburger now?

TK,

Nobody trusts you around cheese anymore...

PW

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1849 on: July 10, 2014, 10:41:22 AM »
Someone ask Polarisz Tesla to compare apples to apples.
* Measure the voltage and current of the lamp bank placed in the Primary coil circuit.
* Measure the voltage and current of the lamp bank connected to this transformer.

As is, they are comparing a no load reactive condition to a loaded resistive condition.  Does not make any sense.  It would have and can still take the whole of 2 minutes to do this comparison.  Would be nice to have actually taken MEASUREMENTS to.  Seems like comparison was not even the goal.  More of an effort to give validation to one of the be-do pdf files as mentioned.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1850 on: July 10, 2014, 11:09:46 AM »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1851 on: July 11, 2014, 01:00:37 AM »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1852 on: July 11, 2014, 01:22:53 AM »
Yes the true magic of resonance.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1853 on: July 11, 2014, 12:12:41 PM »
can any one know about tesla free energy device and its working principle if yes disscuss it fully

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1854 on: July 11, 2014, 12:29:09 PM »
@TinselKoala:
Hi,
Just a basic calculus to start with a parallel tank circuit: i=sqrt(-1) and ω=2*Pi*F
Zc=i/(C*ω) and Zl=i*L*ω, Zr=R so Zlr=R+i*L*ω
1/Z=1/Zc+1/Zlr
and with the help of MatLab
Z=R/(ω^2*(C^2*R^2 + 2*L*C) + C^2*L^2* ω ^4 + 1) + i *( ω *(C*R^2 + L) + C*L^2* ω ^3)/(C^2*L^2* ω ^4 + C^2* ω ^2*R^2 + 2*C*L* ω ^2 + 1)
This is the complex impedance of the tank, and can be use to calculate the voltages and currents
in the tank circuit when voltages and currents are sinusoidal. (With excel for example, I do
and it's in perfect accord with the simulation).
With L=160nH, C=60nF, R=0.25 ohm, F=793kHz: and ω=2*Pi*F you get:
  Z=0.162+i*0.654 |Z|=0.6735 Phase shift=76°

As V input=24Vrms=68Vpp   then I input= 35,6Arms !!! (yes 35.6)
and Power input=206W really....
Vc= 24rms           VL= 23.9Vrms       VR=21.1Vrms
Ic = 7.2Arms        IL = 29.8Arms       IR=28.7Arms
phase Shift=90°   phase shift=-90°    Phase=0
Power(C)=0W       Power(L)=0W        Power(R)=206W

So, with this near perfect circuit, we need 206W input to have 24 Vrms=68 Vpp on the entire
tank...
But how much current out of the battery?

2- Your DVM max input current  is = 10A and Vbat=12A, the max power the DVM can measure is 120W!
With an efficiency of 100%(as hypotheses), all the power goes to the tank output (C in // with
L+R). So 120W to the tank is 10Arms and 206W is 17.6Arms...

If the DVM is overload, it can continue to display bad information. Some of this low prices devices do not block the display, and you can read anything....
Did you test the DVM with this this LCRF values?
And can you let me know the R of the to 2 coils L1 and L2?

Do not hesitate to ask me any more information on this simulation.
See the simulation in attachement...
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1855 on: July 11, 2014, 04:02:18 PM »



 MileHigh, you're right-absolute magic. At least after all this time something good
has come from this thread,
                  John.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1856 on: July 12, 2014, 02:59:51 AM »
Sigh....

Not to much exciting happening....  "The bench technician and the IP telephony guy and the teleported hippie girl that changed the world."

The Florida clips..... what can I say?   You should see what it's like when I try to play a guitar.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1857 on: July 12, 2014, 04:20:59 AM »
@isim:

Thanks for running those numbers. I just checked the capacitors in the tank on the unit I measured: there are 10 ea. 0.0056 uF poly-film caps in parallel, so the total capacitance should be 56 nf instead of 60 nf (but also there will be tolerances). I can't actually measure the total without unsoldering stuff, though...

I have confirmed the Input Power DMM readings using the oscilloscope and a 1-ohm current viewing resistor. The DMM readings of input current and voltage are correct as shown on the meters!

Around  30-40 A rms in the tank is what I have always figured for this apparatus, and it looks like your calculations are coming close to that.

Below, you can see the R and L measurements of one of the L1, L2 chokes. These are Radio Shack brand 100 uH chokes. In other versions of this apparatus I have used choke values down to 60 uH without problems.


 :o
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1858 on: July 12, 2014, 09:25:33 AM »
Here is a dodgy video showing a large tank activity with a tiny input. At about 2:45 in the video I scope the primary coil and show
150 volts point to point but it's not sinusoidal, primary coil is ten turns of 1 mm wire. Frequency about 840 kHz around about.

The input is in the order of 4 watts with all that tank activity. I would not call it reactive power, I call it oscillating power.

Video is from 2 years ago take it easy on me.  :-[ I still have the equipment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1859 on: July 13, 2014, 02:05:38 AM »
This dates from June 19th from Dave's Not Here:

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC

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For the benefit of Evens' team in Canada... here's the update for the Sciencey types:
 
 Evens, our resident physicist, has proposed a brilliant solution for self running, so we have wound coils around the core, that is 99 turns around the secondary circuit and 18 turns around the primary to make use of something known as an Avector field (discovered by Gennady Markov) that is generated (for free) around the core as it resonates.
 
 We performed a test run and successfully converted 114V of reactive power down to 12V real power, enough to drive a small 12 Volt motor.
 
 We are now gearing up for a the first test where we attempt to convert 2000V down to 240V @ 3A enough to drive the motor that runs the QEG...
 
 Confidence is HIGH

What happened?!

They probably drove a small unloaded 12-volt motor.  Perhaps less than 0.5 watts?

0.5 watts to 720 watts!  Waiting for the great leap forwards!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjLXyqD3lvI