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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1841886 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1215 on: May 31, 2014, 03:25:11 AM »
Thanks for preciding your point of view.

Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.

And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).

But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.

So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.

*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.

2,000/600= 3.333, not 30. "COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering" maybe not.
I did NOT see rms values, but should have.
The VARs are immaterial; the only real power is < 300W.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1216 on: May 31, 2014, 03:32:23 AM »
Yes it would be great to see the QEG self looped. But that is not going to happen. My hope is that now they will move forward and attempt the self looping. It will be very interesting to see how this is done.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1217 on: May 31, 2014, 03:33:07 AM »
I would like to see the self looped operation that she seems to claim they've achieved.

Well what are you wait'n for close your eyes click you heels.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1218 on: May 31, 2014, 04:32:44 AM »
In the most recent video James mentions that there
are three resonances in certain configurations but
that only one is "phase locked."

In the demonstration as he is adjusting the Variac
to bring the motor up to speed it appears that one
resonance point is briefly transitioned through as
the lamps flash momentarily before the resonance
lock occurs, with its characteristic sound, where the
lamps once again illuminate steadily.

Have the other resonances been explored to see
what their characteristics are?  It is possible that
their present efforts may be focused on the wrong
resonance.  Or that the other resonances may have
a critical relationship which is being missed.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1219 on: May 31, 2014, 04:33:35 AM »
Thanks for preciding your point of view.

Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.

And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).

But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.

So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.

*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.

In a way you are correct.  The measurements appear valid.  To date, I have yet to read anyone question the measurements.  You see, the error is in the interpretation.  The calculations is what is being questioned.  Earlier peak to peaks were announced as the output power.  Should have not be calculated that way.  Or should have used peak to peak for the input.  Now reactive power is being used.  Either method is good for keeping the ball rolling.  The donations soar after the word is out using incorrect interpretations of power.  When you dabble with reactive power you better make it very clear on your calculations and show every phase angle power factor product each step of the way, which by the way no such effort in the report shown.  And as seen on the report and video, the phase angle is very high resulting in much lower true power.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1220 on: May 31, 2014, 04:39:04 AM »
I too had the same thought on the other resonant points. The second one (I think) showed to be very bright.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1221 on: May 31, 2014, 04:45:20 AM »
Are you just a troll to state something without demonstrating it?!

I was until now VERY DOUBTFUL about the whole thing, but see this vid and studying the so clear report which fits exactly to the vid, I bet these guys are genuine.

My main arguments are:

1. In this last doc and vid, all is perfectly clear;

2. What is actually claimed is what is indeed demonstrated: not Real Power overunity but VARs overunity.

If indeed they can transform this VARs Power in Real Power, we all win (except off course the main energetical industry and their trolls, off course ;) ).

Well, could be I am wrong, but except the French teems on the Richard Vialle's Autogenerator, I have never seen since I follow this quest of Free Energy, so clear and factual report with so precise usable measurements.

Regards to any honest to this Quest, and Very Well Done for this So Very Clear Vid and professional report like I would have always dreamed to see hete around.

Obviously some people just don't get it.

All the activity (oscillating power) in the Tank is input from the power supply. Fact or fiction ?

If not where does it come from ? I'm certain that the energy in the tank can be demonstrated to be "from the supply", by careful measurement.

Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day. Seeing the "QEG" showing a larger oscillating power than the input power is not even interesting or out of the ordinary.

Many have claimed that the greater oscillating power than input power is OU but none have shown any evidence or argument that is sensible.

Any half descent resonant tank can show a great amount of oscillating power. That is not output. Before energy can go out, it must go in as we cannot make energy.

There is no mechanism I can see for any external energy to enter the device, then be output to an intended load.

I myself have achieved hundreds of watts activity with under 10 watts input. This is nothing more than accumulated energy from the supply.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1222 on: May 31, 2014, 05:08:54 AM »
At this point I just want to see their attempt to self loop. And wouldn't all agree that this last post is the most detail that has been provided to-date on their set-up and the measuring procedures used. I am not saying that the have achieved OU yet. I am only saying that this is the most information that has been provided so far.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1223 on: May 31, 2014, 05:16:42 AM »
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/

This report is good in the sense that it explains what the setup is exactly and what has been measured and how.

I have read the report in detail and based on the reported measurements (not the reported interpretations), there is no overunity. The analytical analysis of the test results is lacking.

Here is my feedback on the various new experiments they did:

Experiment 2
6x100W bulb load is in the secondary circuit in series with the coil. Resistance of a single bulb is 576ohms (100W at 240V). Or total load is 6x 576 = 3456 ohms (when hot). Their resistance number of 251.5 ohms appears to be the measured cold resistance of one bulb (or 6 bulbs in series; this is not clearly stated).

No efficiency is mentioned for the secondary circuit but it is clearly under unity based on the traces (around 30% max).

Then the power is analyzed in the primary circuit. In this case there is no load in the primary circuit, so of course what is measured is not real power. What seems not to be understood by them is that measuring reactive power in the primary can not be simply assumed as transferable into real power or into extractable power. In fact the energy oscillating in the primary circuit is energy stored in the coils and capacitor; the energy is transferred from the coils to the capacitor, then back from the capacitor to the coils, etc. Some energy is dissipated in the coil's resistance. What is actually measured is the rate (power = energy / second) of energy transfer between the coil and capacitor. They mention a number of 22,800 VAR, or 22,800 Joules going back and forth every second between coil and capacitor. This is certainly possible, but should not be used to claim overunity. With a 100% efficient motor drawing 607W, it would only take 37.5 seconds for the motor to build up this energy into the primary circuit. The question remains, how much real power can one draw from the primary without destroying the resonance and whether this number is more or less than the 607W that the motor puts in. From all experiments done to date, this number has always been less than what the motor consumes.

Experiment 3
This experiment is similar to Experiment 2 except that the load appears in the primary coils.
For the secondary coils, the same logic applies as what is explained above for the primary coils. What is measured is an energy transfer rate between coil and capacitor, not extractable power. In order to determine extractable power, a load has to be placed into the secondary circuit.
For the primary coils, it appears the voltage is measured over the load and capacitor together (or over the coil), so the current shape is very non-sinusoidal and there is no point discussing RMS power in this case. The voltage should instead have been measured over the bulbs to get an estimate of what the real efficiency might have been in this configuration. Here again no over unity is shown. Just some numbers that show the energy transfer rate of energy accumulated in the circuit between coil and capacitor.

Despite the fact that no overunity was shown, I think it is good though for everyone to see the full measurement report and raw data (despite the fact that some of the conclusions drawn in the report are incorrect). People should be able to draw their own conclusions based on the raw data.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1224 on: May 31, 2014, 05:41:11 AM »
It's pretty much the status quo being hyped by HopeGirl:

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/

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Our goal for QEG power out was 10,000 Watts. The tests show that the potential power out far exceeds this goal! The QEG in Morocco as shown in this video has been tested to produce almost 20,000 VARs energy out with 600 Watts energy in. After the output VARs are converted to Watts in the QEG 3rd phase of development, (which is a relatively simple phase) this will be equivalent to over 33 times overunity. This is a conservative rating as the input can be varied to 1,000 Watts energy in to produce 30,000 VARs energy out.  There is A LOT of power in the QEG core!

The above is hardcore snake oil salesman talk.  There is NO power in the QEG core.

The new clip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw&feature=youtu.be

The new "Version 2" test document:  https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf

Note the results in the first test in the clip are even worse:  The input power is about 600 watts, and the output power is 93 watts.   That's about 16% efficiency.  Nothing positive there.  (I am making a reasonable assumption that they are getting the RMS voltage and current values from the DSO, but they never show the real-time RMS values being displayed on the DSO in the clip itself.)

This quote from Version 2:

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Although the voltage (Ch 1 – yellow) has a fairly regular waveform, the current (Ch 2 – cyan) has an irregular waveform with a ‘double
peak’, possibly indicating that the system is not fully tuned. The voltage is 14kVpk-pk / 4100VRMS (using a 1000X probe) and
the current is 1.63Apk-pk  /  0.5ARMS  (using a 10X probe).  It is difficult to be certain of the  phase difference between the
voltage and current  due to the double peak nature of the  current waveform.  This  set-up  gives a  Reactive Power  of
22.8kVARpk-pk or 2050kVARRMS, and a Reactive Power Efficiency of 338%.

The waveform they are talking about is shown below.

"due to the double peak nature of the  current waveform."  They think there is a "double peak" but in fact there is not truly a double peak at all.

"Possibly indicating that the system is not fully tuned."  What the heck, this waveform was captured when they were IN RESONANCE.  That's just an amateur speculation on the part of the Fix the World gang.

"It is difficult to be certain of the  phase difference between the voltage and current  due to the double peak nature of the  current waveform."  Hah!  Caught again!  It's is plain as day that the phase difference is almost exactly 90 degrees.  James Robitaille, you have met your match in this circuit and you can forget about all claims to being an "engineer" as far as I am concerned.

"Reactive Power Efficiency."  WHAT?  Never heard that term in my life.  It's a made-up BS term.

So, James and the "team of engineers" are failing to understand the scope waveforms.  BUSTED!

With respect to the reactive power, the famous "VARs," they are stating that the goal is to turn the reactive power into real power. The argument is that there is more reactive power than power input, and all that they have to do is convert the mysterious reactive power into real power.  Now that might sound plausible to a lay person, (and they may donate) but it's not true.

One more time, this is a nonsensical proposition.  It's something that can't be done, and they are trying to suggest that it can be done.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1225 on: May 31, 2014, 05:50:58 AM »
This quote from HopeGirl:

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It is imperative to mention that the people who showed up at the public QEG build where of the highest professional caliber: physicists, and electical engineers from several of the top leading industries. All were there to volunteer their time and talent to the mission of the project of bringing this free energy to the world.

I don't for a second believe that serious physicists and engineers were there.  Look at the report, they are admitting that they can't see a 90 degree phase shift in the bloody waveforms for a CAPACITOR!

This is just like John Rohner claiming that he designed the spark plug timing and firing circuit and then when he is chatting about it with someone on Facebook he falls flat on his face and it's abundantly clear that he doesn't even understand how a spark plug circuit actually works.  Or like Wayne Travis speaking in some fluid gobbly-gook that makes no sense at all.  The QEG team and Fix the World drag themselves down when they release stuff like this, possibly without even realizing it.  What is abundantly clear is that the "technical team" does not know what it is doing and it just shows how a crash and burn is inevitable.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1226 on: May 31, 2014, 06:02:42 AM »
And yes, with very high confidence I can explain the "double peak" waveform from my armchair after twenty minutes of looking and reading and meanwhile James and company can't explain it after months working with the REAL THING on the bench.  And this is not "high level" analysis by any means.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1227 on: May 31, 2014, 06:04:06 AM »
MH,

The scope shot you provided shows numerous very
sharp impulse spikes riding on the waveforms.

Any thoughts on what those may indicate?

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Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day.

Aye, that is certainly the truth!  The "Tank"
is analogous to the flywheel in mechanical
devices insofar as energy storage is concerned.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1228 on: May 31, 2014, 06:30:59 AM »
SeaMonkey:

Thanks for the excellent question.  I saw the spikes of course but wasn't really considering them in my previous postings.  I thought about it for a few minutes.  For starters, the current is not taking those spikes.  It's most likely something disturbing the voltage output from the current probe itself, or the cable is picking up some noise.  It's most likely the latter or it could be a combination of both.  So the next question is what would the source of the noise most likely be?  My bet is on the big DC motor just a few inches away.

Also, it's not a flywheel that models the LC tank circuit, it's a flywheel connected to a torsion spring.  So like the little flywheel and spring that you see in a mechanical watch.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1229 on: May 31, 2014, 06:38:13 AM »
What an amazing forum this is!!!!!!!! Thank you all!!!!