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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1818989 times)

Offline PIH123

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1110 on: May 22, 2014, 07:01:17 PM »
So with that being said, I can tell you that while there is not a lot of information being directly shared on this forum (or really any other)

I like your enthusiasm (and attitude from other posts of yours that I have read), but .....................

As you already know, you are right that there is not a lot of info being shared on be-do.com. Most factual posts that paint a grim picture of this endeavor and co-conspirators is quickly deleted.
But there is a lot of stuff being shared here. It covers both sides (positive and negative).

Just the last five pages of this thread alone should be enough to tell you whether this thing is real.
Most of it has been gleaned from text and videos provided by the QEG team.

Personally, I don't find much, if any, to be conjecture / hearsay.

So if you have an "open mind" and accept the good with the bad evidence, you should find lots of real info and very little ignorant cheerleading (without obvious proven reason) to take back to be-do.com.

Please be prepared to be slammed back there for negativity.
On that site, it only works if you believe in a higher something (don't recall this weeks new-age buzzword).
Or if you donate of course.


Regards

E.T.A.
By the way, you must have noticed that there is well in excess of a thousand posts on this site about the QEG (more if you count the multiple threads.
Doesn't it seem odd that the QEG official forum contains less posts than here. What does that alone tell you ?

Offline MarkE

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1111 on: May 22, 2014, 07:16:35 PM »

Its fine to mixed things along as your clear.  If you are going to use peak-to-peak values use the term instantaneous power.  The mistake Dave made was to failed to understand that the power meter on the input side measured true rms value, while he did the math use the instantaneous power value for the output. But we have gone through this already ad nauseum.  It needs also to be said that all the posted analysis only applies to sinusoidal waveforms. Its highly likely that the QEG produces harmonics, so the output voltage and current are not strictly sinusoidal, but good enough.


Not really sure what you mean by "the correct normalization", unless your referring to the current sensor. What is clear from the latest Jamie posting it they are claiming overunity, where he did quote the actual power out put to be 1590W for an input of 800W, 2x overunity. However, like every body else, the real proof of onverunity is if they can self loop it.
Correct normalization means normalizing all measurements correctly to one common standard. 

Ideally, that standard would be average real power since that is the only thing that is really meaningful.  The "Kill-a-Watt" devices used on the input can report average real power.  FTW need to convert their output measurements to average real power.  It is not that hard to do.  The scope that they are using is completely capable of outputting a CSV dump that they can then import into a spreadsheet and use that to calculate the average real power.  If they don't want to take the time, then given waveforms that look reasonably close to sine waves where the phase angle is known they can in a few seconds take the readings right off the scope punch a couple of keys on a hand calculator to get estimated VA and then estimated real power.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1112 on: May 22, 2014, 09:04:52 PM »
from video on youtube it looks like he is still prototyping.
the website claims that he travels around the world.
but i haven't seen any video that shows a home running of this device.
is there any completed device  that works?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1113 on: May 22, 2014, 09:51:34 PM »
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An EEE is an Electronic and Electrical Engineer. I graduated from Surrey University (England) with a 1st Class Honours. I think we have beaten the peak-to-peak/rms issue to death. See my earlier posting for the calc.There is no reactive (imaginary) power or apparent power here. The load is purely resistive remember, so all the power is active (real) power. You can see this on the scope. The current and voltage are in phase. There is a tank circuit on the output of the QEG. This provides a constant load at resonance (if tuned correctly to the output frequency which is I think around 400 Hz). It too appears as a resitive load to the generator. That is not to say that the QEG is not capable of producing reactive power, but you need to have the right load. Generally reactive power is generated in synchronous AC systems to control the output voltage for inductive loads. I am assuming that at some point they will replace the tank circuit with a step down transformer, this they with need to tuned so that it looks like a resistive load by added parallel capacitance. This is generally refereed to as impedance matching and critical in ensuring max power transfer. If not done correctly power will be reflected back to the generator by the load. From what Jamie last reported, and if I understood him correctly, he was able to produce around 1600W (average power) into a resistive load for an 800W input to the system. So a COP of 2.


I just posted this over at http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity?start=18#1706

I just hope somebody is listening at QEG HQ. I want to speed things along a bit. I getting impatient waiting for them to close the loop. Enough already a COP of 2 is more than sufficient - if its real of coarse! 

Offline MarkE

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1114 on: May 22, 2014, 11:14:36 PM »
from video on youtube it looks like he is still prototyping.
the website claims that he travels around the world.
but i haven't seen any video that shows a home running of this device.
is there any completed device  that works?
No there is no working device.  Before their world tour, they lied and said that they had a device working for at least 150 hours.  They have not made any of their devices work:  run itself and drive a load anywhere that they have gone.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1115 on: May 23, 2014, 01:39:56 AM »
It's so interesting how people in this day and age can still get away with the "Big Lie."  Think about the "5000 mainland Chinese engineers."  Besides the fact that working engineers (or people in general) just don't get up and leave their jobs to go on a last-minute jaunt to investigate a highly dubious claim, what about the logistics?

Was there a giant beer hall in Taiwan and they gave speeches?  Was it a free energy flash mob?  Did Jamie and Hope do "speed dating" with them?  Also, isn't it extremely difficult for a person from mainland China to go to Taiwan?  As far as I know they didn't present a single shred of evidence about the "5000 engineers."

There must be a lot of Be-Do lurkers around here, it's seems logical.  A lot of them must be in a tizzy.

Meanwhile, a little cameo from the far side from Larry Karma12:

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The energy from the aether is tapped to excite electrons which we then use to perform work. That work converts the energy of the electrons into heat through friction and whatnot. The laws of thermodynamics are not broken. Energy is being conserved and is merely being converted from one form to another.  The energy we use is proportional to the number of electrons we excite to do some work for us, which is then given off as mostly heat into our environment. We are not opening up a floodgate of energy that will quickly run out of control and inundate us.
 
 I think of it as the QEG is like a guitar, and we are using the energy of the aether to strum the strings for us. We then use those vibrations of the strings to excite some electrons and make them do some work for us. We don't actually take any energy out of the aether, we only use its vibrational properties to our advantage.

It's the good old "portal to abundant energy" fantasy.  It's right on the tip of your nose all that you need is a slab of iron and wire and some feeling groovy vibes and the portal will open.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1116 on: May 23, 2014, 02:08:32 AM »
FR Turbo:

Welcome to the forums Sir.  You are correct that there is a ton of great information in all of the topic areas.  One thing that the Smart guys here on OU have done many times now, is to de-bunk and expose outright frauds in the energy research field.  I have lost track of how many thus far but, they have done a great service by showing exactly how something was faked, explaining why it could not work as described or shown, and even finding out that some of these guys have done jail time in the past for fraud.

So, I tend to listen to these guys as their track record is excellent.  I have learned a lot from all of them. 

This device being discussed here already has too many very bright red flags to hold my interest but, to each his own.  Time will tell and they will be exposed for what they really are, one way or the other...good or bad.

Bill

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1117 on: May 23, 2014, 02:35:30 AM »
 Woo Hooo……”It's the good old "portal to abundant energy" fantasy.  It's right on the tip of your nose all that you need is a slab of iron and wire and some feeling groovy vibes and the portal will open.” And WoW !!!
 
ROTOVERTER ….. Yea…. It uses a steel /iron rotor ….  And it is a round slug…
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6unOMgYmo
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoRAFEmfbY
 
Sooo this is a 2007 version of the Rotoverter….
http://www.overunity.com/2551/rotoverter-initial-idle-results/#.U36XGKyLN8V
 
 
 
 
 Acca…[/font]

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1118 on: May 23, 2014, 03:40:24 AM »
Acca,

The so-called "rotoverter" is just one in on a long line of nearly useless motors or generators or motor-generators.  The QEG is in that long line, the mysterious South African Sterling-bamboozler mo-gen is another.  There are two huge threads on Energetic Forum about modified motors that don't do anything special.  It's a long list.

The rotoverter has been around for years and years now and nothing is happening.  The QEG is awaiting the same fate.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1119 on: May 23, 2014, 08:19:32 AM »
Acca,

The so-called "rotoverter" is just one in on a long line of nearly useless motors or generators or motor-generators.  The QEG is in that long line, the mysterious South African Sterling-bamboozler mo-gen is another.  There are two huge threads on Energetic Forum about modified motors that don't do anything special.  It's a long list.

The rotoverter has been around for years and years now and nothing is happening.  The QEG is awaiting the same fate.

MileHigh


Dear MH, why a NickName??


Are you talking here out of hands-on knowledge / experience based, or religion-like / writings based?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg


But thanking you truly for time, and intentions!


Regards, Johan

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1120 on: May 23, 2014, 11:06:28 AM »
Hi, Just a little help needed here. And yes I know this has been discuss in many places. But some times when the terms "overunity ad Cop show up in our discussion it gives me pause. Just to make sure of what is being discussed and compared with the QEG. Below is some thing I copied off the web. Please tell me how this measures up as an explanation between the two.And how if any they belong together. I am just tying to get a basic understanding of the differences in my head.
Thanks :-[


Overunity is not talking about efficiency, and especially not an efficiency greater than 100%. Overunity refers to a system with a COP>1. COP is not the same thing as efficiency because efficiency takes into consideration all of the energy input into a system while COP only takes into consideration the energy input by the operator and not energy input by the environment. Therefore, in a system where some or all of the energy is provided by the environment, it is entirely possible for the COP of the system to be greater than 1, even though its efficiency will always be less than 100%

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1121 on: May 23, 2014, 03:53:09 PM »
Hi, Just a little help needed here. And yes I know this has been discuss in many places. But some times when the terms "overunity ad Cop show up in our discussion it gives me pause. Just to make sure of what is being discussed and compared with the QEG. Below is some thing I copied off the web. Please tell me how this measures up as an explanation between the two.And how if any they belong together. I am just tying to get a basic understanding of the differences in my head.
Thanks :-[


Overunity is not talking about efficiency, and especially not an efficiency greater than 100%. Overunity refers to a system with a COP>1. COP is not the same thing as efficiency because efficiency takes into consideration all of the energy input into a system while COP only takes into consideration the energy input by the operator and not energy input by the environment. Therefore, in a system where some or all of the energy is provided by the environment, it is entirely possible for the COP of the system to be greater than 1, even though its efficiency will always be less than 100%
Over unity is where the apparent output energy exceeds the sum of the apparent input and consumed internal energies.  Many ordinary things have COPs or apparent COPs > 1:  heat pumps, primary batteries, wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, and even fossil fuels. 

If the First Law of Thermodynamics holds then anything that looks like it is over unity will eventually be shown to have an efficiency of less than 100%.  Today, we cannot know such a thing for certain no matter how likely that is.  If someone discovers a cheat on the First Law, or if they discover a new cheap, ubiquitous and clean energy source the impacts are still the same and still what folks here would like to see.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1122 on: May 23, 2014, 05:34:20 PM »

Dear MH, why a NickName??


Are you talking here out of hands-on knowledge / experience based, or religion-like / writings based?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg


But thanking you truly for time, and intentions!


Regards, Johan


@Johan:
Thanks for posting your contraption. Care to educate us more on it's merits?


btw, this public forum like others contain the usual number of statistics - 'experts' who tells you they know it all, 'seekers' of information, 'teachers' who wants to teach and of course 'builders' who wants to build and 'mockers' who will always believe the status quo. My take is very simple, the truth will come out and people should be mindful of fakes but they should never totally say they know everything! On the internet you can use any nickname and still be a dog and no one will know!
cheers,
chrisC


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1123 on: May 23, 2014, 06:14:11 PM »
The truth does always come out.  It is immune to opinion.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1124 on: May 23, 2014, 08:32:19 PM »

@Johan:
Thanks for posting your contraption. Care to educate us more on it's merits?


btw, this public forum like others contain the usual number of statistics - 'experts' who tells you they know it all, 'seekers' of information, 'teachers' who wants to teach and of course 'builders' who wants to build and 'mockers' who will always believe the status quo. My take is very simple, the truth will come out and people should be mindful of fakes but they should never totally say they know everything! On the internet you can use any nickname and still be a dog and no one will know!
cheers,
chrisC


Hi Chris,


Did do this RV awhile ago, its for me lots of KG's for a bit of Power, and that should than run 24/7!? :-((
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Drive is a 3ph Inverter, but only 2ph wires of 220vac to a 3ph 380vac Motor on Delta 220vac, 0.33Kw, 1380r/m, and small cap making the 3e ph.


Gen. is 220vac SinglePh, 1.5Kw, 1340r/m, load is on the Main and Sec. coils, with switches to get it going.
Main-Coil load was 4 lamps total 300w, and Cap + switch.
Secondary-Coil load, was Heating-Element, with a Cap in serie, and Short switch over the Heating-Element.


Later with some adjustable Triac's, it was a bit more easy to adjust the load to the different frequency's.


Can say its real working, only the Output low, would be a big installation in KG if you want the needed KW's, and that than a 24/7 and ~8000 hours a year. But I never did try the other halve-wave Diode solutions?


Regards, Johan