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Title: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: Jowik on August 26, 2006, 09:08:10 PM
Start reading the following forum... It's pretty long, but it gets very interesting. 

There's a comment in there to get in touch with Liberty and some of you other people to get involved.

The challenge is to validate Steorn's claims before their "panel" of scientists can.  The other part of the challenge is that if we can ascertain what Steorn is claiming before they can patent, the technology would be public domain.

http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4792

Cheers,

Jowik
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: Jowik on August 28, 2006, 04:05:41 PM
I would like to add that the responses on Steorn's forum have been somewhat disappointing, so I welcome any comments on this forum concerning some of the designs posted on the Steorn's forum.  If you want me to re-post them here, let me know.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: dingbat on August 29, 2006, 04:12:43 AM
why not just wait a while to see what happens?

steorn either has a great thing or he is a deceiver.  there is no middle place.  the truth will come out soon enough if he does his part.
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: Jowik on August 29, 2006, 01:11:35 PM
Same reason why people on this board are investigating different "over unity" technology.  I don't really care if Steorn's claims are validated, I personally challenged those who were interested to try and build a working device in an open forum and submit it to the scientific community.  It would have been too funny if we actually came up with the same design concept before the panel figures what's going on.  I'm sure it bothers some people that Steorn stumbled on it by accident when there are people out there that knew all about this kind of technology.

I have done experiments with magnets that have left me scratching my head, and when university professors couldn't answer my questions I figured there was more going on than what science can explain.  There seems to be enough people of the same mind on this forum.  I understand that there are various models of technology out there that have great potential such as microwave power, perhaps cold fusion, but I think that magnet power has a more promising effect on the public.  From a "toy" that people can build themselves, to powering their house.

I have designed several models for magnet powered generators and I don't have the money to build them, only test basic concepts.  I don't want money anymore to build them, I have given up on trying to get investment, so I have resorted to dumping my intellectual property into the public domain.  Most of my models have questions attached to them.  I invite anyone to try and improve the design.

For example, the attached image is an image of a couple magnets, opposite poles facing, with a parallel set of antennae.  The idea is to test whether or not oscillating the magnets at low power could induce electron flow.  Any comments?

Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: dingbat on August 29, 2006, 04:39:27 PM
a change in flux will cause voltage to be induced.  if there is a path for the voltage to cause current to flow, it will.  the induced voltage is proportional to the rate of change of flux.  if current flows as a result of the voltage induced by the flux change a magnetic field will be induced by the current flow.  this magnetic field will oppose the magnetic field that caused the current flow in the first place.

so, of course if your oscillating causes some change in flux that intersects your conductors you will induce current flow if there is a closed path for the current to flow.  there will also be force generated that opposes the cause of the oscillating.
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: PaulLowrance on August 29, 2006, 05:04:29 PM
Jowik,

According to your design, and if you center the antennas exactly center of magnetic rods then you will get no net induced voltage on the antennas in totality. The antennas stack on the top part will get a small amount of induced voltage in opposite direction compared to the bottom antennas. The antenna exactly centered in the middle will get zero induced voltage. Although, since it is not really possible to exactly center things and have 100% precision then there will be a little induced voltage.

Perhaps there are other forces unknown to present science, but I think such forces in this case are so minute that no instrument can measure them.

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: dingbat on August 29, 2006, 06:58:40 PM
which way are the poles in your magnets?  which way do you want to oscillate the magnets?
Title: Magnetic Oscillation
Post by: Jowik on August 30, 2006, 03:44:47 AM
As mentioned earlier - opposite poles facing.  Oscillate them in any direction to optimize electron flow.  I'm just wondering if there is any advantage or effect that has already been documented on such a design.  If not, why hasn't anyone done it?
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: sergio007 on August 30, 2006, 07:39:31 AM
I'm sorry for you Jowik but your designe will not work   :'( (Antenna idea).

I think you need electrical fact to understand what will be happening and how it's work:   ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field

Then if you want power, you need + and -  true the magnetic field, not in the same side (Like a coil around center core with changing flux path. )

Your idea, I made it (One of my project needed alternator without core)  but you need to form a coil !

Alp
Sergio   
Title: Re: Forum challenge on Steorn's forum
Post by: Paul-R on August 30, 2006, 02:46:03 PM
Here is an interesting paper on Steorn from Tom Bearden:
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/082606.htm
Paul.