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### Author Topic: Mag Mirror Engine  (Read 16305 times)

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2014, 03:20:18 AM »
@ tinman

As I  asked you before, please refrain from posting in my topics.

best wishes other wise
floor

#### dieter

• Hero Member
• Posts: 938
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2014, 07:07:45 PM »
Hi Floor,

You are right, people are often quick in saying "tried that, didn't work" and this isn't fair.

On the other hand, magnets are a thing that we all learn something new about it every day. And yet we think qe know everything about them. But they are far more complex than what the attraction/repulsion model suggests. Therefor most theories do not include certain complex variables. Which is why it is easier to build a device and test it... and learn.

For instance, assuming C, E and D:

_|_

E is now strongly attracted because CD want to distribute their oversaturated field strength as much as possible, to obtain their "equilibrium", that would be:

-|-

Now, moving E from -|-  to  _|_ requires increasing force, and finally removing E like:
|
-  -

actually, just to remove it one millimeter bejond  _|_  requires an extraordinary, tremendous force. The C vs D repelling force does not exist until E is disconnected and obviously this force is instead converted to a peak attraxtion towarfs the end of E.  Surprisingly, C or D alone can be removed easily...

The interactions seem to be rather complex, even if there is only "path seeking flux" is involved and no closed path loops. E btw. remains North over the entire lenght, becomes badicly 2 flat northpoles. inable to connect to an opposite pole, other than trough the air.

I would really suggest to build a device, since it is simple. And, no offence, but the quest for FE is a long road and you can't shoot yourself everytime you're on the wrong track . I don't say your idea doesn't work, all I say is, I don't know if it's working, just from the theory given.

I would also say, terms like "it cannot work due to maxwell, conservation of energy etc." doesn't proof anything, simply  because the existence of the universe is OU.

Regards

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2014, 06:13:09 PM »
@dieter

I'm just building some measuring devices, to graph the forces, when
various conditions exist,  and publishing this as I go.

The very first post,  has already, 7 of it's 35 ? pages dedicated specifically to the behavior of
repelling magnets separated by a steel plate.

I am not building an "engine"  as such,  without first,  knowing the work available in the different
actions, and without knowing the distributions of these forces (their peaks).

The concept shown is not a new one, at least not to me.

The publishing of detailed, accurate measurements, explanations, information and procedures (all) in simple terms
is actually the goal of the project.  This is the only claim I am making.

My hope is that, by the time the project is completed,  it will be a resource / guide in term of process and procedure
to experimenters.  At this time, it is still only an outline / draft.

Thank you for your observations. I would be pleased if you wish to give any feed back and  bearing these things in mind.

thanks again
floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 04:30:17 AM »
This version number 5

The next version will detail the methods used to make measurements

please find below the attached file MirrorEngine5.PDF

floor

#### Ten penny

• Newbie
• Posts: 3
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2014, 05:00:46 AM »
I can't open any of your attachments, sadly, but I think I have seen this design except for the addition of the shield moving during the work cycle.  Very interesting - that might be the key to getting this one to function.

I too am very interested in an engine powered by the repelling forces of magnets which makes rotors spin and provide work.  Two tips to tune your motor once it is built would be to change the angle of the magnets in the rotors and to start the motor at a very high speed.  Timing is going to be a lot of this experiment, and sometimes a motor will be built in such a way as to operate at a certain rpm.  If that certain rpm happens to be just a little faster than you can spin with your hand it might not get going.  I use an electric motor with a rubber cone designed for starting RC airplane motors to get my experiments up to speed if necessary.  You can find them at hobby shops.

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2014, 03:08:21 PM »
@Ten Penny

You can down load the free version of Adobe reader or acrobat from the internet, to open the PDF files.

best wishes
floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2014, 05:58:38 AM »
Measuring technique / device

next pages

floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2014, 08:50:59 PM »
These are the most recent drawings and texts.

The project is perhaps 1/5 of the hoped for final product (250 pages)
By following through the experiment / measurements sets,  the novice will be able to
learn a few useful methods for making measurements and then graphing  forces involved
in magnet interactions.

Also, by the end of the projects completion, it will contain a lot of information,  given in a plain language
form.  Hopefully it will be useful to those who can still think, like to think, and enjoy making scientific
explorations, on their own.

best wishes
floor

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2014, 08:55:20 PM »
Here below is the second of two pdf files, "MirrorEngine 6-2.pdf

Please find above the first of the two files  "mirrorEngine 6-1pdf."

#### PiCéd

• Full Member
• Posts: 172
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2014, 09:17:21 PM »
Quote
100 grams of force through 10 meters of travel is equal to 1 joule of work.10 grams of force through 1000 meters of travel is equal to 1 joule of work.

Nop, for the first it is equal to 10 joules of work, for the second it is equal to 1000 joules of work (if it is in one second).

0,1*10²=10
0,001*1000²=1000

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Mag Mirror Engine
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2014, 04:49:39 PM »
@Piced

Thanks  good feed back is much appreciated,  I will check / correct the text.

cheers
floor